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Post by SleepyGas on Dec 15, 2021 11:37:48 GMT
Forgive me for quoting yet another paragraph of The Athletic article: On the good days, Barton can be warm, charming and convivial and capable of disarming his audiences with long, impassioned homilies about football, politics and the world in general. And those are the moments, with the shackles off, when it is tempting to think he must be misunderstood and that the people who are suspicious of him have got it wrong.But then there are times when it is difficult to square his more appealing characteristics with his darker sides — the Barton who can be vicious and unpredictable, violent and contradictory, cold and remorseless.Seems pretty accurate to me. It's just a shame people love his "good days personality" so much that they are willing to overlook his "bad days personality". Let's not forget what he is alleged to have done to his poor wife (trial tomorrow?) and his long history of violence and other misdemenours. Anyway.. one thing that would allow many people to "overlook" such things would be results on the pitch. But last season was a total disaster and this season we have lacked consistency. So I am at a total loss why people love him so much.. is it all down to his personality or do people just love a "bad boy"? Perhaps people fully believe he is going to lead us to glory? Sure he might do.. (eventually).. but there is nothing in his management career so far to suggest he has it in him. Just him saying it doesn't make it so. Sure he might come good - but so might have Ben Garner or Paul Tisdale for all we know? (they certainly had us higher in League One during their Bristol Rovers tenure). interested on your thoughts on Fleetwood this season having gone from top 6 under JB to bottom 6 without him. Ah, so his finishing 6th in a prematurely curtailed league season and then immediately losing in the play-off semi final means we need to stick with him regardless? .. and as for what happened to Fleetwood after he left is irrelevant as far as I am concerned. He left when they were in 10th place and they dropped 5 places by the end of the season. How did he do in his first season managing Fleetwood? 11th? Where did he finish in his first season with Rovers? 24th. Where are we now? 15th after 21 games. I want Rovers to go up this season, of course, but it just seems like we are far too inconsistent to mount a challenge. That's not to say we definitely won't, we might! But the fact Barton once finished 6th with Fleetwood doesn't off-set his results for us IMO. and AGAIN this is before you consider all the off-field nonsense that follows him about.
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Post by richie on Dec 15, 2021 13:14:59 GMT
interested on your thoughts on Fleetwood this season having gone from top 6 under JB to bottom 6 without him. Ah, so his finishing 6th in a prematurely curtailed league season and then immediately losing in the play-off semi final means we need to stick with him regardless? .. and as for what happened to Fleetwood after he left is irrelevant as far as I am concerned. He left when they were in 10th place and they dropped 5 places by the end of the season. How did he do in his first season managing Fleetwood? 11th? Where did he finish in his first season with Rovers? 24th. Where are we now? 15th after 21 games. I want Rovers to go up this season, of course, but it just seems like we are far too inconsistent to mount a challenge. That's not to say we definitely won't, we might! But the fact Barton once finished 6th with Fleetwood doesn't off-set his results for us IMO. and AGAIN this is before you consider all the off-field nonsense that follows him about. its just that I thought managers records were relevant to the discussion, been a while since we finished 6 in league 1.
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Post by gas2 on Dec 15, 2021 17:02:26 GMT
J b has built this team from scratch needs time to keep it going in the right direction
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Post by chilly1883 on Dec 15, 2021 17:27:40 GMT
Not at all, as with everybody, there are two sides to a coin. I try not to close my eyes to either of them. Forgive me for quoting yet another paragraph of The Athletic article: On the good days, Barton can be warm, charming and convivial and capable of disarming his audiences with long, impassioned homilies about football, politics and the world in general. And those are the moments, with the shackles off, when it is tempting to think he must be misunderstood and that the people who are suspicious of him have got it wrong.But then there are times when it is difficult to square his more appealing characteristics with his darker sides — the Barton who can be vicious and unpredictable, violent and contradictory, cold and remorseless.Seems pretty accurate to me. It's just a shame people love his "good days personality" so much that they are willing to overlook his "bad days personality". Let's not forget what he is alleged to have done to his poor wife (trial tomorrow?) and his long history of violence and other misdemenours. Anyway.. one thing that would allow many people to "overlook" such things would be results on the pitch. But last season was a total disaster and this season we have lacked consistency. So I am at a total loss why people love him so much.. is it all down to his personality or do people just love a "bad boy"? Perhaps people fully believe he is going to lead us to glory? Sure he might do.. (eventually).. but there is nothing in his management career so far to suggest he has it in him. Just him saying it doesn't make it so. Sure he might come good - but so might have Ben Garner or Paul Tisdale for all we know? (they certainly had us higher in League One during their Bristol Rovers tenure). no, your not forgiven 👍🏽
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Post by SleepyGas on Dec 15, 2021 17:39:27 GMT
Forgive me for quoting yet another paragraph of The Athletic article: On the good days, Barton can be warm, charming and convivial and capable of disarming his audiences with long, impassioned homilies about football, politics and the world in general. And those are the moments, with the shackles off, when it is tempting to think he must be misunderstood and that the people who are suspicious of him have got it wrong.But then there are times when it is difficult to square his more appealing characteristics with his darker sides — the Barton who can be vicious and unpredictable, violent and contradictory, cold and remorseless.Seems pretty accurate to me. It's just a shame people love his "good days personality" so much that they are willing to overlook his "bad days personality". Let's not forget what he is alleged to have done to his poor wife (trial tomorrow?) and his long history of violence and other misdemenours. Anyway.. one thing that would allow many people to "overlook" such things would be results on the pitch. But last season was a total disaster and this season we have lacked consistency. So I am at a total loss why people love him so much.. is it all down to his personality or do people just love a "bad boy"? Perhaps people fully believe he is going to lead us to glory? Sure he might do.. (eventually).. but there is nothing in his management career so far to suggest he has it in him. Just him saying it doesn't make it so. Sure he might come good - but so might have Ben Garner or Paul Tisdale for all we know? (they certainly had us higher in League One during their Bristol Rovers tenure). no, your not forgiven 👍🏽 Fair enough
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Post by yetigas on Dec 15, 2021 19:56:02 GMT
J b has built this team from scratch needs time to keep it going in the right direction It was his choice to build from scratch. And since he took us down last season 'going in the right direction' means finishing midtable in League 1 at least. How much time would you give him? For me, this season, promotion is a non-negotiable target. We have a lot of work to do!
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Post by SleepyGas on Dec 15, 2021 20:19:19 GMT
J b has built this team from scratch needs time to keep it going in the right direction It was his choice to build from scratch. And since he took us down last season 'going in the right direction' means finishing midtable in League 1 at least. How much time would you give him? For me, this season, promotion is a non-negotiable target. We have a lot of work to do! Don't worry.. we're getting promoted. Joey has repeated said so " I know we’re going to get promoted. I have no doubt about that." I hope he's right
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Post by basel on Dec 17, 2021 13:56:18 GMT
My thoughts on Luke is he is clearly a good player. Motivation to stay fit has apparently been a difficult challenge for him. Joe has his own style and having apparently reached exasperation point with Luke,he publicly scolded him.A controversial decision that split opinion.Personally I support the Managers decision. Against Rochdale Luke had a cameo role and gave 100% and set up Collins 2nd goal. Imo excellent from Joe and Luke. In the scenario Luke carry's on with this effort and remains fit,both player and club will be winners.
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Post by aforce on Jan 15, 2022 17:55:42 GMT
A little bit disappointed he didn’t start let alone get some decent minutes today. Arguably our most gifted player in the squad. He’s just getting himself fit/head straight and one of our best performers last week. Way to improve his fitness and morale that is well done joey.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 15, 2022 20:21:22 GMT
A little bit disappointed he didn’t start let alone get some decent minutes today. Arguably our most gifted player in the squad. He’s just getting himself fit/head straight and one of our best performers last week. Way to improve his fitness and morale that is well done joey. He was ready to come on half way through the 2nd half. So not sure what happened. For all we know, he could have been feeling tight when doing final stretches or anything. Obviously you were on the touchline though and heard what was said.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 16, 2022 9:39:46 GMT
Given Barton didn't make any changes until after we scored, surely that was his decision rather than a player claiming he was injured warming up?
I guess the result proves Barton made the right decision.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 16, 2022 16:51:48 GMT
Given Barton didn't make any changes until after we scored, surely that was his decision rather than a player claiming he was injured warming up? I guess the result proves Barton made the right decision. You obviously missed the point. He had taken his training gear off, was ready to come on, wearing just his kit and receiving final instructions. There was still over twenty minutes left and at that stage they were well on top. Barton could have changed his mind, at the last minute. Not sure what happened. But something happened last minute.
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Post by thegasman on Jan 16, 2022 20:22:40 GMT
Barton and Bond spent more than 10 mins discussing the substitution after LT seemed to be ready to come on. Pouring through the playbook and Bonds notes. To come up with not a lot. The substitutions after we scored was to eat into time and disrupt the "flow" of the game.
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