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Post by yattongas on Dec 5, 2021 12:51:09 GMT
How many of those players are playing and performing well in league one teams ? I honestly don’t know apart from watching a bit of the Morecambe cup game where Ayunga was on the bench . Hanlan, Ehmer, Williams, Leahy and Tutonda seem to be regular players in L1. And Baldwin in the SPL. Ok thanks , Hanlan should be playing at that level given the fee we forked out for him and Leahy is no surprise I guess . Tutonda is a surprise and Ehmer who was truly dreadful .
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Dec 5, 2021 12:54:57 GMT
I didn't expect instant results, but I did expect him to do enough to keep us up. What I certainly didn't expect was for him to basically throw in the towel and end up with a worst points per game record last season than both Garner and Tisdale. As for this season I don't expect instant results, but I do think for a club with one of the bigger budgets in this division we should be doing much better than losing 42% of our games and sitting 16th in December. You didn't answer either question? You keep telling us we will need to sign youngsters and then give them time, doesn't that apply also apply to a young manager? I'm not really sure what sacking Barton will achieve, as any incoming manager will still have to work with all his players, and most likely coaching staff. As far as our league position, we always seem to initially struggle when we're relegated to L1, I'mnot sure why long term Gasheads expected this season to be any different. Because our manager had said we would be promoted and even added that any manager that couldn’t get promoted from this league , has no place in football. He set himself up by saying that but you could money on him having an excuse that doesn’t involve him taking any responsibility. He has already picked out one player and in the exact same fashion as he did with Ehmer but, this time, he carried it over into the next day too
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Post by yattongas on Dec 5, 2021 12:59:55 GMT
You didn't answer either question? You keep telling us we will need to sign youngsters and then give them time, doesn't that apply also apply to a young manager? I'm not really sure what sacking Barton will achieve, as any incoming manager will still have to work with all his players, and most likely coaching staff. As far as our league position, we always seem to initially struggle when we're relegated to L1, I'mnot sure why long term Gasheads expected this season to be any different. Because our manager had said we would be promoted and even added that any manager that couldn’t get promoted from this league , has no place in football. He set himself up by saying that but you could money on him having an excuse that doesn’t involve him taking any responsibility. He has already picked out one player and in the exact same fashion as he did with Ehmer but, this time, he carried it over into the next day too As the season isn’t even half way through, isn’t it too early to judge him ?
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 5, 2021 13:07:51 GMT
How many of those players are playing and performing well in league one teams ? I honestly don’t know apart from watching a bit of the Morecambe cup game where Ayunga was on the bench . Hanlan, Ehmer, Williams, Leahy and Tutonda seem to be regular players in L1. And Baldwin in the SPL. You didn't answer the question how many are performing well, Hanlan hardly scores, Tutonda's injured, with Ehmer looking like chalking up consecutive relegations. Probably just Leahy, who JB never wanted to leave, and Williams.
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Post by Quarters on Dec 5, 2021 13:25:27 GMT
Because our manager had said we would be promoted and even added that any manager that couldn’t get promoted from this league , has no place in football. He set himself up by saying that but you could money on him having an excuse that doesn’t involve him taking any responsibility. He has already picked out one player and in the exact same fashion as he did with Ehmer but, this time, he carried it over into the next day too As the season isn’t even half way through, isn’t it too early to judge him ? As stated, he is one point better off than when Garner left.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 5, 2021 13:30:44 GMT
Perhaps read again what was written - IMO “arguably ONE of the worst ………..assembled” I would be genuinely interested to hear of any Rovers team that accumulated less points over a season than what that particular group managed - they weren’t interested playing for the Club under Tisdale and they weren’t interested under Barton - as professionals they were a disgrace. And, if some are doing well in league 1 as Pirate suggests only highlights the fact they under performed for our team under three different managers - although I would argue that it’s far easier for a poor player (which most of them were) to play well in a good team than it is for a good player to play well in a poor team. Barton IMO did what he had to do - called them out and shipped them out. I think that’s aimed at me! But fair response, I don’t think it was that bad but apologies to you if you thought I was having a go. I wasn’t. For results gained it must seem like it and it went wrong. But apologies, you didn’t say it was the worst. UTG!
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Dec 5, 2021 14:18:22 GMT
Before Ben Garner was appointed the alarm bells started ringing. I didn't like the direction the club had decided to go in. It was always a massive risk. I thought Ben Garner was the wrong man for the job, I thought the recruitment was extremely poor. Signing players like Ehmer who I always thought was a weak link when we played Gillingham and we make him captain. I said to all my gas friends that we would go down, hoped I would be wrong, but sadly wasn't. Players like hanlon, no composure, not strong enough, looks dangerous but doesn't score or add many assists either (Evans is ten times the player Hanlon is). Felt sorry for Tisdale and Barton to an extent, it didn't matter who we had as manager, we would always go down, we had players with no guts, no stomach for a fight. Until we changed direction off the pitch and bin this stupid way of recruitment we would struggle. Like him or loath him in a way I think Barton has turned our club around, it needed ripping up and starting again. The scary thing is he has lowered our wage bill by way over a million! How much were we paying those absolute failures to take us down! I can see patterns in our play emerging now, really like some of our players and most importantly of all the players have guts and fight about them. Yes we haven't got good enough results but the team is good enough to be in a winning position in the first place, rather than scraping for draws from losing positions. Add a striker, a strong right sided defender, get a few injuries back and we are easily good enough to go up. This team would wipe the floor with last seasons side. For the record Swindon were booed off last home game, fans not happy with dreadful home form, very poor to watch. They may be unstoppable away from home but Garner has still not learnt how to play at home.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Dec 5, 2021 14:22:17 GMT
Because our manager had said we would be promoted and even added that any manager that couldn’t get promoted from this league , has no place in football. He set himself up by saying that but you could money on him having an excuse that doesn’t involve him taking any responsibility. He has already picked out one player and in the exact same fashion as he did with Ehmer but, this time, he carried it over into the next day too As the season isn’t even half way through, isn’t it too early to judge him ? We all have different opinions and that is what makes any forum interesting to read. I certainly don’t see us getting promotion and, going by some of the players he has brought in then i hope we have a decent list of players to improve the squad, in January.
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Post by SleepyGas on Dec 6, 2021 10:41:32 GMT
As the season isn’t even half way through, isn’t it too early to judge him ? As stated, he is one point better off than when Garner left. In a lower league...
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Post by thegasman on Dec 6, 2021 13:41:50 GMT
Perhaps read again what was written - IMO “arguably ONE of the worst ………..assembled” I would be genuinely interested to hear of any Rovers team that accumulated less points over a season than what that particular group managed - they weren’t interested playing for the Club under Tisdale and they weren’t interested under Barton - as professionals they were a disgrace. And, if some are doing well in league 1 as Pirate suggests only highlights the fact they under performed for our team under three different managers - although I would argue that it’s far easier for a poor player (which most of them were) to play well in a good team than it is for a good player to play well in a poor team. Barton IMO did what he had to do - called them out and shipped them out. Who really was the disgrace? Was it the players - because we got relegated; or was it Barton - because with 10 weeks left to go in the season, only asked the players to report 1 day a week for training, as he had given up, and wanted all his own team. That to me is the biggest disgrace.
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Dec 6, 2021 14:00:38 GMT
Perhaps read again what was written - IMO “arguably ONE of the worst ………..assembled” I would be genuinely interested to hear of any Rovers team that accumulated less points over a season than what that particular group managed - they weren’t interested playing for the Club under Tisdale and they weren’t interested under Barton - as professionals they were a disgrace. And, if some are doing well in league 1 as Pirate suggests only highlights the fact they under performed for our team under three different managers - although I would argue that it’s far easier for a poor player (which most of them were) to play well in a good team than it is for a good player to play well in a poor team. Barton IMO did what he had to do - called them out and shipped them out. Who really was the disgrace? Was it the players - because we got relegated; or was it Barton - because with 10 weeks left to go in the season, only asked the players to report 1 day a week for training, as he had given up, and wanted all his own team. That to me is the biggest disgrace. Report for training 1 day a week? This is the first I've heard of this? Can you tell me where this was reported or where you got this info from because whilst I'm not saying it is wrong - I'm pretty certain that it is based upon the number of times a week players were seen at the training ground??
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 7, 2021 10:42:30 GMT
Who really was the disgrace? Was it the players - because we got relegated; or was it Barton - because with 10 weeks left to go in the season, only asked the players to report 1 day a week for training, as he had given up, and wanted all his own team. That to me is the biggest disgrace. Report for training 1 day a week? This is the first I've heard of this? Can you tell me where this was reported or where you got this info from because whilst I'm not saying it is wrong - I'm pretty certain that it is based upon the number of times a week players were seen at the training ground?? And we were playing twice a week at end of the season too weren't we?
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Post by bidefordgas on Dec 7, 2021 12:00:53 GMT
Perhaps read again what was written - IMO “arguably ONE of the worst ………..assembled” I would be genuinely interested to hear of any Rovers team that accumulated less points over a season than what that particular group managed - they weren’t interested playing for the Club under Tisdale and they weren’t interested under Barton - as professionals they were a disgrace. And, if some are doing well in league 1 as Pirate suggests only highlights the fact they under performed for our team under three different managers - although I would argue that it’s far easier for a poor player (which most of them were) to play well in a good team than it is for a good player to play well in a poor team. Barton IMO did what he had to do - called them out and shipped them out. Who really was the disgrace? Was it the players - because we got relegated; or was it Barton - because with 10 weeks left to go in the season, only asked the players to report 1 day a week for training, as he had given up, and wanted all his own team. That to me is the biggest disgrace. Evidence please. Yet another unsubstantiated dig at JB. Strange how this surfaces now and not at the time.
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Post by blueridge on Dec 7, 2021 12:11:55 GMT
Who really was the disgrace? Was it the players - because we got relegated; or was it Barton - because with 10 weeks left to go in the season, only asked the players to report 1 day a week for training, as he had given up, and wanted all his own team. That to me is the biggest disgrace. Evidence please. Yet another unsubstantiated dig at JB. Strange how this surfaces now and not at the time. I live fairly close to the Quarters which I visited often and there was no evidence to suggest that what he posted was anything like correct.
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Post by harold on Dec 7, 2021 12:21:07 GMT
As stated, he is one point better off than when Garner left. In a lower league... I thought Ben Garner was sacked in mid November after about 11 or 12 games and that we only had about one point a game, I am sure we have more points than at the same stage last season all be it at a lower level.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Dec 7, 2021 12:23:12 GMT
I thought Ben Garner was sacked in mid November after about 11 or 12 games and that we only had about one point a game, I am sure we have more points than at the same stage last season all be it at a lower level. Ben Garner has a better League 1 record with us than Joey Barton does with us. Ben Garners league 2 record with Swindon is better than Joey Barton’s with us.
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Post by harold on Dec 7, 2021 12:30:30 GMT
I thought Ben Garner was sacked in mid November after about 11 or 12 games and that we only had about one point a game, I am sure we have more points than at the same stage last season all be it at a lower level. Ben Garner has a better League 1 record with us than Joey Barton does with us. Ben Garners league 2 record with Swindon is better than Joey Barton’s with us. That is true and I personally did not want Ben Garner sacked at the time, but I do not understand this one point less argument that some posters are stating as a fact.
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Post by bidefordgas on Dec 7, 2021 12:33:22 GMT
Evidence please. Yet another unsubstantiated dig at JB. Strange how this surfaces now and not at the time. I live fairly close to the Quarters which I visited often and there was no evidence to suggest that what he posted was anything like correct. Thanks for providing that information. From watching all the games on ifollow it was very clear to me that the squad that had been assembled was simply not good enough and apart from the odd player had no fight in them whatsoever when they went behind in matches. As this season has progressed its quite clear that the present squad is playing for the shirt.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 7, 2021 13:18:07 GMT
Of the players we had last year that have since departed, only 2 were of L1 quality. Hanlan and Leahy.
Ehmer was truly awful for us, however I will cut him some slack as Tisdale tried to turn him into a winger at one point.
Tutonda was never really given a chance but when he did get one I saw nothing that was was competition for Leahy, which is way Leahy played when available.
Gillingham are currently in the relegation Zone, Morecombe, where Ayunga is just above them and isn’t playing regular football, Shrewsbury just above them where Leahy is.
Hanlan has played a fair bit for Wycombe and has only scored 3 goals.
I’d say JB was mostly right about all of them and the reason we got a fee for Hanlan was because he had some raw potential about him.
As for Baldwin in the SPL, well he’s not at rangers or Celtic and the rest of the clubs are L1/L2 quality at best. I’d say that young Taylor is an upgrade Alfie certainly looks better beside him than he ever did with Baldwin and Anderton is improving with each game.
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Post by percy on Dec 7, 2021 13:24:47 GMT
Of the players we had last year that have since departed, only 2 were of L1 quality. Hanlan and Leahy. Ehmer was truly awful for us, however I will cut him some slack as Tisdale tried to turn him into a winger at one point. Tutonda was never really given a chance but when he did get one I saw nothing that was was competition for Leahy, which is way Leahy played when available. Gillingham are currently in the relegation Zone, Morecombe, where Ayunga is just above them and isn’t playing regular football, Shrewsbury just above them where Leahy is. Hanlan has played a fair bit for Wycombe and has only scored 3 goals. I’d say JB was mostly right about all of them and the reason we got a fee for Hanlan was because he had some raw potential about him. As for Baldwin in the SPL, well he’s not at rangers or Celtic and the rest of the clubs are L1/L2 quality at best. I’d say that young Taylor is an upgrade Alfie certainly looks better beside him than he ever did with Baldwin and Anderton is improving with each game. Can't disagree with any of that. Still enough in the squad to stay up tho. As JB said when he arrived.
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