|
Post by Topper Gas on Dec 4, 2021 18:15:11 GMT
You're constantly backing new manager until they don't start off on a winning run playing whilst playing fantastic football, then you want them replaced a few months into the job. I didn't sack the last manager after 83 days. Barton has been in charge for nearly 10 months and in that time has shockingly lost 24 games out of 44, double the amount he has won. I'll always back a new manager, but when they have a record like Barton's I'll call it what it is...a pathetic record. No idea what is loss ratio is recently but it's vastly improved with, from memory, only the FGR loss of note recently in the league/FA Cup why highlight what we did 20+ games ago when he was rebuilding the squad rather than the last 10 or so?
|
|
pirate
Forum Legend
Posts: 18,542
|
Post by pirate on Dec 4, 2021 18:25:45 GMT
I didn't sack the last manager after 83 days. Barton has been in charge for nearly 10 months and in that time has shockingly lost 24 games out of 44, double the amount he has won. I'll always back a new manager, but when they have a record like Barton's I'll call it what it is...a pathetic record. No idea what is loss ratio is recently but it's vastly improved with, from memory, only the FGR loss of note recently in the league/FA Cup why highlight what we did 20+ games ago when he was rebuilding the squad rather than the last 10 or so? Our priority is the league and in the last 10 games we have only won 2 and in that time lost 3, including losing against FGR who played with 10 men for 35 minutes and also failed to beat Salford despite them playing with 10 for over an hour.
|
|
|
Post by richie on Dec 4, 2021 19:01:06 GMT
Don’t forget Big Ben’s record for us, bit short sighted to focus on his current “success”
|
|
pirate
Forum Legend
Posts: 18,542
|
Post by pirate on Dec 4, 2021 19:13:37 GMT
Don’t forget Big Ben’s record for us, bit short sighted to focus on his current “success” Big Ben's record for us was sh**, but even he had a better points per game record than Barton last season.
|
|
|
Post by Tilly's Thighs on Dec 4, 2021 20:32:03 GMT
I didn't sack the last manager after 83 days. Barton has been in charge for nearly 10 months and in that time has shockingly lost 24 games out of 44, double the amount he has won. I'll always back a new manager, but when they have a record like Barton's I'll call it what it is...a pathetic record. No idea what is loss ratio is recently but it's vastly improved with, from memory, only the FGR loss of note recently in the league/FA Cup why highlight what we did 20+ games ago when he was rebuilding the squad rather than the last 10 or so? Apparently cup games don't count in any sort of team statistics, as our priority is the league. Bit like penalties didn't count a few seasons ago!
|
|
pirate
Forum Legend
Posts: 18,542
|
Post by pirate on Dec 4, 2021 20:50:27 GMT
No idea what is loss ratio is recently but it's vastly improved with, from memory, only the FGR loss of note recently in the league/FA Cup why highlight what we did 20+ games ago when he was rebuilding the squad rather than the last 10 or so? Apparently cup games don't count in any sort of team statistics, as our priority is the league. Bit like penalties didn't count a few seasons ago! Is our priority not the league then? Try to contain your excitement, we are improving! Over the past 15 games we are 14th in the League Two form table, for 10 games it's 13th and for the past 5 games its's 10th. Wow. But still 16th in the table that really counts.
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Dec 4, 2021 22:13:34 GMT
Apparently cup games don't count in any sort of team statistics, as our priority is the league. Bit like penalties didn't count a few seasons ago! Is our priority not the league then? Try to contain your excitement, we are improving! Over the past 15 games we are 14th in the League Two form table, for 10 games it's 13th and for the past 5 games its's 10th. Wow. But still 16th in the table that really counts. So what made you think Barton could turn things around instantly after Garner and Tisdale, given that he's a fairly inexperienced manager and was clearly helped by a big budget at Fleetwood. Do you feel you backed the wrong candidate for the job if you wanted instant results?
|
|
pirate
Forum Legend
Posts: 18,542
|
Post by pirate on Dec 4, 2021 22:31:33 GMT
Is our priority not the league then? Try to contain your excitement, we are improving! Over the past 15 games we are 14th in the League Two form table, for 10 games it's 13th and for the past 5 games its's 10th. Wow. But still 16th in the table that really counts. So what made you think Barton could turn things around instantly after Garner and Tisdale, given that he's a fairly inexperienced manager and was clearly helped by a big budget at Fleetwood. Do you feel you backed the wrong candidate for the job if you wanted instant results? I didn't expect instant results, but I did expect him to do enough to keep us up. What I certainly didn't expect was for him to basically throw in the towel and end up with a worst points per game record last season than both Garner and Tisdale. As for this season I don't expect instant results, but I do think for a club with one of the bigger budgets in this division we should be doing much better than losing 42% of our games and sitting 16th in December.
|
|
|
Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 5, 2021 6:50:12 GMT
So what made you think Barton could turn things around instantly after Garner and Tisdale, given that he's a fairly inexperienced manager and was clearly helped by a big budget at Fleetwood. Do you feel you backed the wrong candidate for the job if you wanted instant results? I didn't expect instant results, but I did expect him to do enough to keep us up. What I certainly didn't expect was for him to basically throw in the towel and end up with a worst points per game record last season than both Garner and Tisdale. As for this season I don't expect instant results, but I do think for a club with one of the bigger budgets in this division we should be doing much better than losing 42% of our games and sitting 16th in December. Can't argue with that.
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Dec 5, 2021 7:21:54 GMT
So what made you think Barton could turn things around instantly after Garner and Tisdale, given that he's a fairly inexperienced manager and was clearly helped by a big budget at Fleetwood. Do you feel you backed the wrong candidate for the job if you wanted instant results? I didn't expect instant results, but I did expect him to do enough to keep us up. What I certainly didn't expect was for him to basically throw in the towel and end up with a worst points per game record last season than both Garner and Tisdale. As for this season I don't expect instant results, but I do think for a club with one of the bigger budgets in this division we should be doing much better than losing 42% of our games and sitting 16th in December. You didn't answer either question? You keep telling us we will need to sign youngsters and then give them time, doesn't that apply also apply to a young manager? I'm not really sure what sacking Barton will achieve, as any incoming manager will still have to work with all his players, and most likely coaching staff. As far as our league position, we always seem to initially struggle when we're relegated to L1, I'mnot sure why long term Gasheads expected this season to be any different.
|
|
|
Post by richie on Dec 5, 2021 9:33:24 GMT
How much budget did Barton spend last season?
Oh yeah zero
|
|
|
Post by blueridge on Dec 5, 2021 10:00:30 GMT
So what made you think Barton could turn things around instantly after Garner and Tisdale, given that he's a fairly inexperienced manager and was clearly helped by a big budget at Fleetwood. Do you feel you backed the wrong candidate for the job if you wanted instant results? I didn't expect instant results, but I did expect him to do enough to keep us up. What I certainly didn't expect was for him to basically throw in the towel and end up with a worst points per game record last season than both Garner and Tisdale. As for this season I don't expect instant results, but I do think for a club with one of the bigger budgets in this division we should be doing much better than losing 42% of our games and sitting 16th in December. He inherited arguably one of the worst squad of players ever assembled by a Manager of our football club, Barton had no chance. A complete bunch of wasters that weren’t the slightest bit interested in the Club. Tisdsle had an opportunity to do something about it - he did nothing and paid the price - as we all have.
|
|
pirate
Forum Legend
Posts: 18,542
|
Post by pirate on Dec 5, 2021 10:12:41 GMT
I didn't expect instant results, but I did expect him to do enough to keep us up. What I certainly didn't expect was for him to basically throw in the towel and end up with a worst points per game record last season than both Garner and Tisdale. As for this season I don't expect instant results, but I do think for a club with one of the bigger budgets in this division we should be doing much better than losing 42% of our games and sitting 16th in December. He inherited arguably one of the worst squad of players ever assembled by a Manager of our football club, Barton had no chance. A complete bunch of wasters that weren’t the slightest bit interested in the Club. Tisdsle had an opportunity to do something about it - he did nothing and paid the price - as we all have. Many of those "worst squad of players ever" and "wasters" were deemed competent enough to be signed by other clubs in League One, meanwhile Barton has lost nearly half of his games in the basement division and got completely outplayed and embarrassed at home by the manager he called "negligent."
|
|
|
Post by warehamgas on Dec 5, 2021 11:48:52 GMT
I didn't expect instant results, but I did expect him to do enough to keep us up. What I certainly didn't expect was for him to basically throw in the towel and end up with a worst points per game record last season than both Garner and Tisdale. As for this season I don't expect instant results, but I do think for a club with one of the bigger budgets in this division we should be doing much better than losing 42% of our games and sitting 16th in December. He inherited arguably one of the worst squad of players ever assembled by a Manager of our football club, Barton had no chance. A complete bunch of wasters that weren’t the slightest bit interested in the Club. Tisdsle had an opportunity to do something about it - he did nothing and paid the price - as we all have. The squad was nowhere near the “worst....ever assembled”. I can think of many others just as bad. That Barton nor the other two couldn’t get anything out of them is a different matter but it wasn’t the worse. I expect managers to manage, he didn’t or couldn’t. Barton had every chance, we beat Accrington easily, should have beaten many others yet after the Northampton draw he basically gave up, folded his arms and disassociated himself from what was going on. That may be acceptable to some but not to me and many others. He gave up. He had bad luck over injuries but that happens, the way we collapsed and gave up was unforgivable. No manager should ever do that. I can put up with a lot and have done over the years but to give up... UTG!
|
|
|
Post by warehamgas on Dec 5, 2021 12:04:09 GMT
How much budget did Barton spend last season? Oh yeah zero But that’s a bit of a dud comparison isn’t it? How much budget did Thomas Tuchel spend last season? Zero after signing in the last week of January 2021. But he managed didn’t he with what he had. Granted what he had was very good but the basic point is still there, he had to manage what he had, something Barton couldn’t do. Barton should have done much better. But having gone down we now find ourselves with a similarly unbalanced squad, the striker we have needed since JCH went still not signed despite Barton saying it was a priority and lower mid table in the league below. How on earth isn’t that the responsibility of the manager? But we are where we are and JB needs to do something in January to turn it around. The one thing JB has done, though BG did it as well, is make sure we have some pace in the squad, Nicholson, Collins, Thomas and even Anderson all have that. Get that more mobile No. 9 in or even give Hulbert a chance and this season is still recoverable. UTG!
|
|
yattongas
Proper Gas
Posts: 13,649
Member is Online
|
Post by yattongas on Dec 5, 2021 12:09:54 GMT
He inherited arguably one of the worst squad of players ever assembled by a Manager of our football club, Barton had no chance. A complete bunch of wasters that weren’t the slightest bit interested in the Club. Tisdsle had an opportunity to do something about it - he did nothing and paid the price - as we all have. Many of those "worst squad of players ever" and "wasters" were deemed competent enough to be signed by other clubs in League One, meanwhile Barton has lost nearly half of his games in the basement division and got completely outplayed and embarrassed at home by the manager he called "negligent." How many of those players are playing and performing well in league one teams ? I honestly don’t know apart from watching a bit of the Morecambe cup game where Ayunga was on the bench .
|
|
|
Post by blueridge on Dec 5, 2021 12:25:08 GMT
Perhaps read again what was written - IMO “arguably ONE of the worst ………..assembled” I would be genuinely interested to hear of any Rovers team that accumulated less points over a season than what that particular group managed - they weren’t interested playing for the Club under Tisdale and they weren’t interested under Barton - as professionals they were a disgrace. And, if some are doing well in league 1 as Pirate suggests only highlights the fact they under performed for our team under three different managers - although I would argue that it’s far easier for a poor player (which most of them were) to play well in a good team than it is for a good player to play well in a poor team. Barton IMO did what he had to do - called them out and shipped them out.
|
|
|
Post by kentgas on Dec 5, 2021 12:33:11 GMT
Many of those "worst squad of players ever" and "wasters" were deemed competent enough to be signed by other clubs in League One, meanwhile Barton has lost nearly half of his games in the basement division and got completely outplayed and embarrassed at home by the manager he called "negligent." How many of those players are playing and performing well in league one teams ? I honestly don’t know apart from watching a bit of the Morecambe cup game where Ayunga was on the bench . Hanlan, Ehmer, Williams, Leahy and Tutonda seem to be regular players in L1. And Baldwin in the SPL.
|
|
|
Post by Kingswood Polak on Dec 5, 2021 12:48:08 GMT
So what made you think Barton could turn things around instantly after Garner and Tisdale, given that he's a fairly inexperienced manager and was clearly helped by a big budget at Fleetwood. Do you feel you backed the wrong candidate for the job if you wanted instant results? I didn't expect instant results, but I did expect him to do enough to keep us up. What I certainly didn't expect was for him to basically throw in the towel and end up with a worst points per game record last season than both Garner and Tisdale. As for this season I don't expect instant results, but I do think for a club with one of the bigger budgets in this division we should be doing much better than losing 42% of our games and sitting 16th in December. I agree that he surrendered our league 1 status far too quickly while deflecting everything onto others. I don’t think i have ever known any other Rovers manager blame so many other people, lambast the club itself and give up so easily. The thing is, he has his own team now yet is still repeating the same things. The guy seems totally incapable of taking any responsibility himself
|
|
|
Post by Quarters on Dec 5, 2021 12:48:24 GMT
After 11 league games last season - Garner reign - 12 points After 11 league games this season - 13 points
A league lower and one point better off.
We are 7 points of play offs. 8 of relegation 13th in form over last 5 games with 8 points from 5 games.
Midtable team at the moment.
Long way to go!
|
|