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Post by Somersetgas on Jan 19, 2022 20:54:19 GMT
That would probably explain it. Perhaps it describes Hugo, an adult, not needing to fight like a petulant teenager.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 19, 2022 20:56:24 GMT
That would probably explain it. Explain what? That I'm not a mindless thug with a long history of violence and assaults? Do you need to be to think it's a good idea to have Barton at the club? That would probably explain it.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 19, 2022 20:57:18 GMT
That would probably explain it. Perhaps it describes Hugo, an adult, not needing to fight like a petulant teenager. Yeah, the "as an adult" part was seemingly overlooked.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 19, 2022 20:57:19 GMT
That would probably explain it. Perhaps it describes Hugo, an adult, not needing to fight like a petulant teenager. Yes, you can both sit on your little cloud with your harps and your halos pointing fingers of condemnation and derision at the dammed.
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Post by axegas on Jan 19, 2022 20:57:22 GMT
My opinion still hasn’t changed. I don’t think our association with him has done the club or its fanbase any good in the time he’s been in charge and it’s going to have to take a miraculous turn around both on and off the field to convince me otherwise.
If he can’t deliver on his promises that he looked directly at the camera to Gasheads and made at the start of this season, then he should go. I am willing to give him until the end of the season to see if he still can, now that it looks unlikely we’ll be in any kind of relegation scrap.
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Post by mftc on Jan 19, 2022 20:58:00 GMT
He has broken the budget and still plays players out of position and seems to disregard any young prospects within the club.
The good thing is that he seems to have not made so many offensive comments recently (that includes to the opposition), but he does not seem to have great football nouse.
People will point to the better attitudes and work rate of players but imagine last season without any crowd and thinking if covid had continued without any jabs, there would be fearing for their careers. It must be a huge release, so they can enjoy it and work harder now. I am not sure that is all down to JB.
I feel this is like Atkins/Trolls. JB has spent big, but a real difference would be made if we had a good organised knowledgable man in charge.
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Post by Somersetgas on Jan 19, 2022 21:02:23 GMT
Perhaps it describes Hugo, an adult, not needing to fight like a petulant teenager. Yes, you can both sit on your little cloud with your harps and your halos pointing fingers of condemnation and derision at the dammed. No I’ve had fights, not proud and I wouldn’t recommend anyone to do the same, I grew up. Personally think Hugo is the bigger man by not getting involved in trouble.
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Post by pirate on Jan 19, 2022 21:03:37 GMT
Season not over yet, but "If I can't get you promoted out of League Two I shouldn't be in the game" - Joey Barton
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 19, 2022 21:05:52 GMT
Perhaps it describes Hugo, an adult, not needing to fight like a petulant teenager. Yes, you can both sit on your little cloud with your harps and your halos pointing fingers of condemnation and derision at the dammed. You are very mistaken. My replies on this thread are in relation to the singular issue of whether Barton is a suitable person to lead and manage our football club. Other than that, you know nothing about me.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 19, 2022 21:09:13 GMT
Yes, you can both sit on your little cloud with your harps and your halos pointing fingers of condemnation and derision at the dammed. No I’ve had fights, not proud and I wouldn’t recommend anyone to do the same, I grew up. Personally think Hugo is the bigger man by not getting involved in trouble. So you’re guilty of assault then. You just didn’t get caught.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 19, 2022 21:13:26 GMT
No I’ve had fights, not proud and I wouldn’t recommend anyone to do the same, I grew up. Personally think Hugo is the bigger man by not getting involved in trouble. So you’re guilty of assault then. You just didn’t get caught. Not if you are defending yourself against an unprovoked attack under common law. You could justifiably strike someone in order to get away or to prevent further harm to yourself.
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Post by Somersetgas on Jan 19, 2022 21:15:36 GMT
No I’ve had fights, not proud and I wouldn’t recommend anyone to do the same, I grew up. Personally think Hugo is the bigger man by not getting involved in trouble. So you’re guilty of assault then. You just didn’t get caught. It’s got nothing to do with you, I don’t like Barton, I don’t want him here, end of.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 19, 2022 21:16:52 GMT
Yes, you can both sit on your little cloud with your harps and your halos pointing fingers of condemnation and derision at the dammed. You are very mistaken. My replies on this thread are in relation to the singular issue of whether Barton is a suitable person to lead and manage our football club. Other than that, you know nothing about me. So your definition of being suitable to run a football club isn’t merely to be good at managing a football club, you feel good character and repute is important? That’s probably where we disagree, I have a fundamental problem with picking leaders on the basis of moral character and repute, excepting where the position is in the rendering of moral or ethical issues, for example, a judge or police officer. The reason for this is you end up with a society where people are picked not for their skill of professionalism but on cultivating a public image, and in my experience, the absolute worst Specimens you will ever meet have dedicated a lifetime to an outward appearance of altruism to garner the trust they need. Hence, I’m sceptical of moral invigilation as described above and certainly less so for something like being hot headed. If he had masterminded a large Ponzi scheme or fraud racket I might think differently.
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Jan 19, 2022 21:18:09 GMT
How is it every sodding thread ever put on the forum ends with personal attacks? I know he's a divisive character but the one thing we all have in common is that we support the same team. Can we at least try to have intelligent debate without it turning into a mud slinging and name calling? I was in two minds about starting the thread because of this, begining to wish I hadn't. Mods do as you wish, if you want to lock it I wouldn't blame you
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Post by Okebournegas on Jan 19, 2022 21:19:28 GMT
I’ll wait until the end of the season , if we don’t get promotion, get his ass gone
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 19, 2022 21:21:47 GMT
So you’re guilty of assault then. You just didn’t get caught. Not if you are defending yourself against an unprovoked attack under common law. You could justifiably strike someone in order to get away or to prevent further harm to yourself. Right, he was active in self defence then.
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Post by Somersetgas on Jan 19, 2022 21:26:42 GMT
Not if you are defending yourself against an unprovoked attack under common law. You could justifiably strike someone in order to get away or to prevent further harm to yourself. Right, he was active in self defence then. Yes
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 19, 2022 21:28:22 GMT
Right, he was active in self defence then. Yes You said “I’ve had fights, not proud” If it was in self defence I would be proud old boy, you’ve nothing to be ashamed of!
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Post by xenongas on Jan 19, 2022 21:28:38 GMT
Just putting up with him.
He's still the same person as he was before he joined. I've got used to separating how I feel about the team and how I feel about the manager.
Football wise he made his bed with his previous comments. There is a gap between what he has been capable of so far and what he thinks he's capable of.
He'll be here till the summer now. There is merit in the view that we shouldn't be chopping and changing every six months. But it does feel like this team could be better than where they currently sit.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 19, 2022 21:30:47 GMT
You are very mistaken. My replies on this thread are in relation to the singular issue of whether Barton is a suitable person to lead and manage our football club. Other than that, you know nothing about me. So your definition of being suitable to run a football club isn’t merely to be good at managing a football club, you feel good character and repute is important? That’s probably where we disagree, I have a fundamental problem with picking leaders on the basis of moral character and repute, excepting where the position is in the rendering of moral or ethical issues, for example, a judge or police officer. The reason for this is you end up with a society where people are picked not for their skill of professionalism but on cultivating a public image, and in my experience, the absolute worst Specimens you will ever meet have dedicated a lifetime to an outward appearance of altruism to garner the trust they need. Hence, I’m sceptical of moral invigilation as described above and certainly less so for something like being hot headed. If he had masterminded a large Ponzi scheme or fraud racket I might think differently. So you actually agree with me. "excepting where the position is in the rendering of moral or ethical issues" Don't you think that the person in charge of a group of young men including teenagers in the youth/academy team should be there to help shape and guide them in more than just football? Hasn't that forever been part of the managers role? How is a football manager any different to a teacher for example? So long as your kid learns what 2+2 is, is it OK if they see their teacher fighting in the car park or see them in court or go to prison? I agree that for many jobs, your history and background makes no difference.
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