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Post by Somersetgas on Jan 19, 2022 21:31:30 GMT
You said “I’ve had fights, not proud” If it was in self defence I would be proud old boy, you’ve nothing to be ashamed of! I’m not ashamed, not ashamed of anything I’ve done, they happened, would I do it again? no I’d walk away or not get into them in the first place. Thankfully I learnt my lesson many years ago.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 19, 2022 21:50:15 GMT
You said “I’ve had fights, not proud” If it was in self defence I would be proud old boy, you’ve nothing to be ashamed of! I’m not ashamed, not ashamed of anything I’ve done, they happened, would I do it again? no I’d walk away or not get into them in the first place. Thankfully I learnt my lesson many years ago. Redemption is the sweetest thing.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Jan 19, 2022 21:52:57 GMT
I’m not ashamed, not ashamed of anything I’ve done, they happened, would I do it again? no I’d walk away or not get into them in the first place. Thankfully I learnt my lesson many years ago. Redemption is the sweetest thing.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 19, 2022 21:56:07 GMT
So your definition of being suitable to run a football club isn’t merely to be good at managing a football club, you feel good character and repute is important? That’s probably where we disagree, I have a fundamental problem with picking leaders on the basis of moral character and repute, excepting where the position is in the rendering of moral or ethical issues, for example, a judge or police officer. The reason for this is you end up with a society where people are picked not for their skill of professionalism but on cultivating a public image, and in my experience, the absolute worst Specimens you will ever meet have dedicated a lifetime to an outward appearance of altruism to garner the trust they need. Hence, I’m sceptical of moral invigilation as described above and certainly less so for something like being hot headed. If he had masterminded a large Ponzi scheme or fraud racket I might think differently. So you actually agree with me. "excepting where the position is in the rendering of moral or ethical issues" Don't you think that the person in charge of a group of young men including teenagers in the youth/academy team should be there to help shape and guide them in more than just football? Hasn't that forever been part of the managers role? How is a football manager any different to a teacher for example? So long as your kid learns what 2+2 is, is it OK if they see their teacher fighting in the car park or see them in court or go to prison? I agree that for many jobs, your history and background makes no difference. Do you actually think the youth team are going out assaulting players because Joey had a couple of convictions? You don’t know the man at all. For all you know he could be incredibly concerned for his players welfare, extremely remorseful for his actions and tell players not to make his mistakes. I don’t know any of this, it could well be true. If the above was the case, what then? Could someone not be a generally good person, who makes mistakes?
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Post by bridgwatergas on Jan 19, 2022 21:56:19 GMT
My opinion hasn't changed as we cannot keep sacking managers and expecting a new one to come in and get instant success it very rarely works. JB is here for the long term,unless the court case goes against him,and that is how it should be as Wael has rolled the dice and allowed JB to totally restructure the club. The comments of instant promotion was very naive as it takes at least a couple of seasons to totally change a squad and there are signs that we have turned the corner and results are starting to come. Saturday will be a big test of how far we have come but we now have to stick with our current set up or we just go back to square one.
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Post by Somersetgas on Jan 19, 2022 21:59:18 GMT
I’m not ashamed, not ashamed of anything I’ve done, they happened, would I do it again? no I’d walk away or not get into them in the first place. Thankfully I learnt my lesson many years ago. Redemption is the sweetest thing. Care to tell this simpleton more?
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 19, 2022 22:02:33 GMT
Redemption is the sweetest thing. Care to tell this simpleton more? I mean that when we’ve done wrong, or something stupid, and we amend our ways and become better men, that’s the sweetest thing. This is what redemption means in this context, it’s that people can get a second chance and learn from their mistakes and triumph over them. Apologise to use needlessly wordy words.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 19, 2022 22:04:10 GMT
To be fair, to stop us literally killing each other I think I might join Barton out because we are all tired of this discussion.
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Post by aghast on Jan 19, 2022 23:12:19 GMT
So you actually agree with me. "excepting where the position is in the rendering of moral or ethical issues" Don't you think that the person in charge of a group of young men including teenagers in the youth/academy team should be there to help shape and guide them in more than just football? Hasn't that forever been part of the managers role? How is a football manager any different to a teacher for example? So long as your kid learns what 2+2 is, is it OK if they see their teacher fighting in the car park or see them in court or go to prison? I agree that for many jobs, your history and background makes no difference. Do you actually think the youth team are going out assaulting players because Joey had a couple of convictions? You don’t know the man at all. For all you know he could be incredibly concerned for his players welfare, extremely remorseful for his actions and tell players not to make his mistakes. I don’t know any of this, it could well be true. If the above was the case, what then? Could someone not be a generally good person, who makes mistakes? I think the description 'generally good person' and Joey are not often mentioned in the same sentence. He's had multiple chances to redeem himself and failed time and time again. If we're purely taking about his ability as a manager at our club, he's a proven failure who seems to be improving, although the bar is now set very low. Personally I'd still like him gone because I think he is damaging to the reputation and future of the club.
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Post by phillistine on Jan 19, 2022 23:12:44 GMT
i am a little confused by all of this.it seems to be ok for a forum member on here to have been involved in fights because he has said he has grown up and changed his ways but its not ok for Barton even though he has not been found guilty of such offences for over 10 years. The reality is that i don't know the guy from Adam but the people who do know him seem to be backing him whereas the people who are against him are relying on the papers to judge him
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Post by yategasman on Jan 19, 2022 23:15:50 GMT
We should stick with JB as he is a good manager at this level and he will get us back up👍⚙️
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Post by Hudson1883 on Jan 19, 2022 23:21:34 GMT
Having Barton as manager is a lot more bearable than some of the replies to these threads.
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Post by baggins on Jan 20, 2022 6:00:38 GMT
Thread asking our opinion on Barton, again, turns into argument, again.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 20, 2022 6:47:07 GMT
So, what does everyone think about the pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 20, 2022 7:11:58 GMT
It's been going on since the 60s.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 20, 2022 7:27:01 GMT
Over 7k on Saturday, 3k travelling to Swindon, if we can get a run going, we’re gonna be getting 9k at home. Why not stop wasting negative energy, on whether you like someone or not, and put that energy into supporting your team! UTG
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 20, 2022 8:09:22 GMT
Over 7k on Saturday, 3k travelling to Swindon, if we can get a run going, we’re gonna be getting 9k at home. Why not stop wasting negative energy, on whether you like someone or not, and put that energy into supporting your team! UTG Is it possible to support the team but dislike Barton? Asking for a friend?
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Post by mftc on Jan 20, 2022 8:25:55 GMT
Over 7k on Saturday, 3k travelling to Swindon, if we can get a run going, we’re gonna be getting 9k at home. Why not stop wasting negative energy, on whether you like someone or not, and put that energy into supporting your team! UTG Is it possible to support the team but dislike Barton? Asking for a friend? Yes. I support Rovers, but despite what people say about his character, I don't think he is a very good football manager. If a decent manager had the resources he has had, we would be top 10 at least. I suppose it must say something about him that he has got Wael and Gorringe believing in him.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 20, 2022 8:35:15 GMT
Over 7k on Saturday, 3k travelling to Swindon, if we can get a run going, we’re gonna be getting 9k at home. Why not stop wasting negative energy, on whether you like someone or not, and put that energy into supporting your team! UTG Is it possible to support the team but dislike Barton? Asking for a friend? That’s like being a Catholic but hating the Pope ;-)
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 20, 2022 8:36:25 GMT
Is it possible to support the team but dislike Barton? Asking for a friend? That’s like being a Catholic but hating the Pope ;-) Well, I know for a fact that's possible. Woo hoo!!
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