|
Post by wider on Mar 18, 2022 22:26:30 GMT
I think you will find a statement was issued on Twitter within a couple of days. Even so the police and cps said she had subsequently refused to testify and what looked like a lawyer drafted statement appeared where she said she had never accused JB of violence etc. I'm aware of the post on Instagram but that's was hardly a statement the CPS could reply upon. I wasn’t talking legalese, just asking why this even became a prosecution. I don’t have Instagram sorry, I saw it on Twitter and on here. It’s a detail in the wider context, my point was ‘Who is gaining anything out of this?’ Certainly not the Barton Family. (Nor our ‘family’ club).
|
|
|
Post by alanrg on Mar 18, 2022 23:54:23 GMT
It is about time the police and the cps dropped this case and stop wasting taxpayers money
|
|
|
Post by xenongas on Mar 19, 2022 2:29:04 GMT
Easy way for Barton to stay out of trouble (both of them)...give up drinking. Underrated thought. Sometimes we get dragged down into the tiny aspects of an individual case. I believe JB has said himself that alcohol has clouded his decision making in the past and he has learnt from that. I also think it is tempting to project your own life experiences onto someone else which is understandable of course. Doesn't mean it is correct though. In this particular case it seems as if there is little reliable evidence. Which way that points depends on which viewpoint you already have. There are excuses for JB. There are condemnations of JB. Some are more believable than others. For me it is difficult to understand how you get yourself in this position in the first place. Let alone when you will clearly have national scrutiny on you. As many other clubs are realising at the moment, one person is not the club. you only have to listen to the latest prematch interview at our club to realise that. I hope we get promoted (as promised) and I hope we are going in the right direction in general (as promised).
|
|
|
Post by Gassy on Mar 19, 2022 7:07:59 GMT
Never knew how many doctors we have on this forum, impressive. In my defence I just speak from an interesting line from an Andy McNab book I read once where he speaks of using alternative weapons for killing people in hand to hand combat. He said he would never use a metal hammer as there is no guarantee it would cause injury severe enough to take them out, blunt force trauma is survivable, whereas a rubber mallet sends a shock wave through the skull, fracturing it causing all sorts of horrible things to the brain! Anyway....nothing to do with the case! Tbh I was more talking to the post that said a kick to the head would have killed her. If I’m being honest, I think it’s really distasteful that it’s being discussed in such detail. If he wasn’t our manager, no doubt most people would naturally assume he did it. Personally I’m going to let ‘justice’ carry out its process, whatever that may be - but I don’t understand how anyone can have an opinion on the matter either way.
|
|
|
Post by rememberhalifax on Mar 19, 2022 7:44:19 GMT
This all seems to be bit of a muddle! as i have no idea of the facts i can't draw any conclusions. Sometimes the evidence in a case is so overwhelming that there is only one possible verdict, as was the case with the Colston farce, open and shut case, only one verdict possible but the overwhelming evidence counted for nothing in that case! In the case of JB the evidence is somewhat underwhelming IMHO, a case of a good old family p-ss up ending in arguments which may have got out of hand, the powers that be having got there teeth into it do not seem prepared to let it go as they prob would in a less high profile case. There, have i contradicted myself by drawing a conclusion! Hope JB is fully focused on the job in hand today and can inspire Rovers to 3 points! think we can all agree on that ,can't we?
|
|
|
Post by wertongas on Mar 19, 2022 9:34:44 GMT
I would imagine that the letter Mrs JB has sent to the courts says the truth otherwise she could be facing purjery which could land her in the dock as well, let us hope she was not made to write anything under duress. It is good that the case has been put back as JB can now to some extent redeem himself after relegating us as the bottom club last season after saying he would keep us up, by getting us promotion this season, we will all then be swimming in glory and will have forgotten this case at least until June.
|
|
|
Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 19, 2022 10:08:44 GMT
This all seems to be bit of a muddle! as i have no idea of the facts i can't draw any conclusions. Sometimes the evidence in a case is so overwhelming that there is only one possible verdict, as was the case with the Colston farce, open and shut case, only one verdict possible but the overwhelming evidence counted for nothing in that case! In the case of JB the evidence is somewhat underwhelming IMHO, a case of a good old family p-ss up ending in arguments which may have got out of hand, the powers that be having got there teeth into it do not seem prepared to let it go as they prob would in a less high profile case. There, have i contradicted myself by drawing a conclusion! Hope JB is fully focused on the job in hand today and can inspire Rovers to 3 points! think we can all agree on that ,can't we? Agree 100% Halifax ! 💙 UTG
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Mar 19, 2022 13:59:09 GMT
I would imagine that the letter Mrs JB has sent to the courts says the truth otherwise she could be facing purjery which could land her in the dock as well, let us hope she was not made to write anything under duress. It is good that the case has been put back as JB can now to some extent redeem himself after relegating us as the bottom club last season after saying he would keep us up, by getting us promotion this season, we will all then be swimming in glory and will have forgotten this case at least until June. I thought you posted previously your partner worked for the police, if so, surely they've informed you perjury only applies for evidence given under oath, which clearly doesn't apply to a letter sent to the CPS. If the CPS now drop the case once she's given a statement, then she will never need to give a statement under oath.
|
|
|
Post by dinsdale on Mar 19, 2022 20:23:34 GMT
Its really common in D.V cases for a couple to turn up with a plan to say nothing and hope it gets dropped. As the CPS have evidence to feel confident at conviction the only course of action is for the victim to say they made it up hence the letter.
The whole thing has been very damaging both for the clubs reputation and the handful of fans who have felt dejected with the clubs response. I wish we could just go back in time and do everything differently (everyone)
|
|
|
Post by chilly1883 on Mar 19, 2022 22:31:38 GMT
I would imagine that the letter Mrs JB has sent to the courts says the truth otherwise she could be facing purjery which could land her in the dock as well, let us hope she was not made to write anything under duress. It is good that the case has been put back as JB can now to some extent redeem himself after relegating us as the bottom club last season after saying he would keep us up, by getting us promotion this season, we will all then be swimming in glory and will have forgotten this case at least until June. ok
|
|
|
Post by wertongas on Mar 19, 2022 22:55:03 GMT
I would imagine that the letter Mrs JB has sent to the courts says the truth otherwise she could be facing purjery which could land her in the dock as well, let us hope she was not made to write anything under duress. It is good that the case has been put back as JB can now to some extent redeem himself after relegating us as the bottom club last season after saying he would keep us up, by getting us promotion this season, we will all then be swimming in glory and will have forgotten this case at least until June. I thought you posted previously your partner worked for the police, if so, surely they've informed you perjury only applies for evidence given under oath, which clearly doesn't apply to a letter sent to the CPS. If the CPS now drop the case once she's given a statement, then she will never need to give a statement under oath. Yes but if it still goes to court, my understanding is the case has been put back to June then a written affirmation can be perjury or contempt of court if it is not true. I am no lawyer and should we not just concentrate on the football now, I am sure that is what JB is trying to do.
|
|