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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 18, 2022 19:17:06 GMT
I find it very difficult indeed to think that the CPS would ignore a statement and an approach from the key witness/victim. They may have disagreed with the timing or content, but to just ignore it? No way. They have not disputed the fact that her letter and emails were not acknowledged according to what was said today. Given that the CPS were still looking to run the case today you have to assume that they knew her statement would do them no favours, rather than it being an admin error and they didn't realise she was now prepared to give a statement.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2022 19:20:54 GMT
Trending 12th on UK Twitter Joey Barton Twitter? 12th in the cesspit of humanity. Not sure if that is good or bad.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Mar 18, 2022 19:26:01 GMT
Never knew how many doctors we have on this forum, impressive. In my defence I just speak from an interesting line from an Andy McNab book I read once where he speaks of using alternative weapons for killing people in hand to hand combat. He said he would never use a metal hammer as there is no guarantee it would cause injury severe enough to take them out, blunt force trauma is survivable, whereas a rubber mallet sends a shock wave through the skull, fracturing it causing all sorts of horrible things to the brain! Anyway....nothing to do with the case!
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Post by tinner on Mar 18, 2022 20:02:24 GMT
I'm a Gashead 'til I die and I hope we go up. I also recognise that Barton, belatedly, has got the team playing very well. However, violence against women can't be condoned, ever! Unless of course your name is George Floyd, in which case, murals are erected, memorial services take place, virtual candlelit sessions held, labour take a knee outside parliament……all willingly overlooking the fact he held a loaded gun to a pregnant woman’s stomach……
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Post by yattongas on Mar 18, 2022 20:05:48 GMT
Can anybody actually drink 4 or 5 bottles of wine ? 😮
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 18, 2022 20:18:45 GMT
10 units per bottle equals 40 to 50 units in total or the equivalent of 20/25 pints of beer etc
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Post by canberragas69 on Mar 18, 2022 20:24:00 GMT
I'm a Gashead 'til I die and I hope we go up. I also recognise that Barton, belatedly, has got the team playing very well. However, violence against women can't be condoned, ever! Unless of course your name is George Floyd, in which case, murals are erected, memorial services take place, virtual candlelit sessions held, labour take a knee outside parliament……all willingly overlooking the fact he held a loaded gun to a pregnant woman’s stomach…… You can condemn Floyd behaviour towards women AND police treatment of him.
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Post by wider on Mar 18, 2022 20:42:29 GMT
What is a victimless prosecution?
Victimless prosecutions are also known as evidence-based prosecutions. It is when the Crown Prosecution Service brings a case against an individual for domestic violence, without the input of the alleged victim. Years ago, if the police wanted to press charges for domestic assault, the alleged victim had to co-operate. However, the law changed in 2001. Now, the police can pursue an investigation, even if the alleged victim does not want them to. The police will run a victimless prosecution if they believe: 1. There is serious risk to the public 2. The accused will be violent again How does a victimless prosecution work?
Normally in criminal cases, the alleged victim’s testimony is of central importance. Yet in a victimless prosecution, the case will be presented to the court without any contribution from the complainant. Instead, the prosecution will rely on a range of other evidence in an attempt to prove the accused’s guilt. This might include photos of the alleged victim’s injuries, bad character references and evidence from third parties. Such as medical professionals or other witnesses. If the alleged victim provides a statement and later withdraws it, the prosecution can also ask to present this as evidence. This is known as a ‘hearsay’ statement. They may also show things such transcripts of 999 calls made by the alleged victim and informal accounts given to police officers. This is permitted under the ‘res gestae’ principle. Sometimes, the prosecution will even issue a witness summons, compelling the alleged victim to attend court. However, this is seen as a last measure. Reading the above it seems odd that a prosecution even arose given the early statement from Mrs Barton? The Bartons have been a couple for something like 25 years now - they met when 13 according to Joey’s book. No previous mentions of problems seem to have hit the press (and I doubt it could be easily hidden). It does seem The Met and the CPS are chasing this in a similar manner to the Caroline Flack case claiming it’s in the public interest. The only public interest imo is in sleaze, not doing anything for the greater good. Ignoring an offer to give a statement from the alleged victim and two follow up emails also seems very odd. The one thing that has hardly been mentioned but seems to me to be where Joey could come really unstuck is who are the other couple and are they (have they) giving/given evidence? Is this why the point regarding interference by the other couple was raised in court today? This is pure speculation but the timing seems to me to fit - are they Clint Hill and his wife? Isn’t that when Clint departed suddenly over ‘family matters’? All in all it seems like an anti celebrity crusade against someone who has brought an awful lot of problems down on himself but I don’t see anyone other than lawyers getting anything from this farce. A lot of public money (our money) has gone into this and all it has done has put strain on a relationship that seems pretty sound and that Mrs Barton seemingly wants to continue. As a Club it doesn’t help Rovers unless you believe the ‘No publicity is bad publicity’ adage. We improved massively after the Stendel farce was resolved, was that a coincidence? I hope this doesn’t get in the way of the next 9 games. UTG! Oh yes, talking of coincidences - UTG can stand for Up Tom Gorringe as well as The Gas and our surge up the table also seems to coincide with Tom’s appointment.
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Post by wider on Mar 18, 2022 20:51:54 GMT
I deliberately gave no opinion in my earlier post.
Joey is obviously a divisive influence amongst the fan base and may even have been with the players initially but I don’t think it can be denied that he has the team playing much better and noticeably wholeheartedly now.
I feel he must be a strong minded character as well to have coped with the outside distractions of two (now only one) court cases on top of managing Rovers.
To the people saying ‘The truth will out’ I must sadly disagree. The world is not fair, just look at Ukraine.
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Post by tinner on Mar 18, 2022 20:55:40 GMT
Unless of course your name is George Floyd, in which case, murals are erected, memorial services take place, virtual candlelit sessions held, labour take a knee outside parliament……all willingly overlooking the fact he held a loaded gun to a pregnant woman’s stomach…… You can condemn Floyd behaviour towards women AND police treatment of him. Quite right you can…but please point out who condemned his behaviour and how that is reflected in his treatment as some sort of saint……..also it is not police treatment, it is the actions of a specific police officer unless of course you believe builders are responsible for Fred Wests victims!!
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Post by Bolders on Mar 18, 2022 21:14:31 GMT
I remember when this place had a bit of class..you know bragging about sticking 10 inch cucumbers in your rectum that kind of thing. Shame. X
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Mar 18, 2022 21:18:44 GMT
Can anybody actually drink 4 or 5 bottles of wine ? 😮 I’ve tried my best, normally gets messy after number 3!
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Post by yattongas on Mar 18, 2022 21:20:04 GMT
Can anybody actually drink 4 or 5 bottles of wine ? 😮 I’ve tried my best, normally gets messy after number 3! Haha …… 3 maximum and I’d of either passed out or puked up 🤮
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 18, 2022 21:35:12 GMT
What is a victimless prosecution?
Victimless prosecutions are also known as evidence-based prosecutions. It is when the Crown Prosecution Service brings a case against an individual for domestic violence, without the input of the alleged victim. Years ago, if the police wanted to press charges for domestic assault, the alleged victim had to co-operate. However, the law changed in 2001. Now, the police can pursue an investigation, even if the alleged victim does not want them to. The police will run a victimless prosecution if they believe: 1. There is serious risk to the public 2. The accused will be violent again How does a victimless prosecution work?
Normally in criminal cases, the alleged victim’s testimony is of central importance. Yet in a victimless prosecution, the case will be presented to the court without any contribution from the complainant. Instead, the prosecution will rely on a range of other evidence in an attempt to prove the accused’s guilt. This might include photos of the alleged victim’s injuries, bad character references and evidence from third parties. Such as medical professionals or other witnesses. If the alleged victim provides a statement and later withdraws it, the prosecution can also ask to present this as evidence. This is known as a ‘hearsay’ statement. They may also show things such transcripts of 999 calls made by the alleged victim and informal accounts given to police officers. This is permitted under the ‘res gestae’ principle. Sometimes, the prosecution will even issue a witness summons, compelling the alleged victim to attend court. However, this is seen as a last measure. Reading the above it seems odd that a prosecution even arose given the early statement from Mrs Barton? The Bartons have been a couple for something like 25 years now - they met when 13 according to Joey’s book. No previous mentions of problems seem to have hit the press (and I doubt it could be easily hidden). It does seem The Met and the CPS are chasing this in a similar manner to the Caroline Flack case claiming it’s in the public interest. The only public interest imo is in sleaze, not doing anything for the greater good. Ignoring an offer to give a statement from the alleged victim and two follow up emails also seems very odd. The one thing that has hardly been mentioned but seems to me to be where Joey could come really unstuck is who are the other couple and are they (have they) giving/given evidence? Is this why the point regarding interference by the other couple was raised in court today? This is pure speculation but the timing seems to me to fit - are they Clint Hill and his wife? Isn’t that when Clint departed suddenly over ‘family matters’? All in all it seems like an anti celebrity crusade against someone who has brought an awful lot of problems down on himself but I don’t see anyone other than lawyers getting anything from this farce. A lot of public money (our money) has gone into this and all it has done has put strain on a relationship that seems pretty sound and that Mrs Barton seemingly wants to continue. As a Club it doesn’t help Rovers unless you believe the ‘No publicity is bad publicity’ adage. We improved massively after the Stendel farce was resolved, was that a coincidence? I hope this doesn’t get in the way of the next 9 games. UTG! Oh yes, talking of coincidences - UTG can stand for Up Tom Gorringe as well as The Gas and our surge up the table also seems to coincide with Tom’s appointment. There was no "early statement", from what we're heard today Mrs B waited until the 17 Feb, which was a month and a day before the trial, before writing to the CPS with her statement. i guess the police/CPS can't really win with these types of cases as if they take no action and the victim is assaulted again in the future people will ask why they never took any action, if they take action people ask what's the point in taking any action! From what we've heard so far it seems the other two couples present have not given any statements.
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Post by blueridge on Mar 18, 2022 21:35:17 GMT
Can anybody actually drink 4 or 5 bottles of wine ? 😮 Depends what time you start - that’s some going 4/5 bottles in a session - 10 units a bottle - one hour per unit to clear. Starts off as fun then ‘trigger’ points can kick in and it can turn a bit ‘messy’ with regrets. Been there done it - years ago of course!
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Post by yattongas on Mar 18, 2022 21:37:16 GMT
Can anybody actually drink 4 or 5 bottles of wine ? 😮 Depends what time you start - that’s some going 4/5 bottles in a session - 10 units a bottle - one hour per unit to clear. Starts off as fun then ‘trigger’ points can kick in and it can turn a bit messy with regrets. Fair play Blueridge if you can down 4-5 bottles in a all day sesh ! 🍷
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 18, 2022 21:39:46 GMT
1 and a half bottles about my limit , lightweight female 🤮💙UTG
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Post by wider on Mar 18, 2022 22:04:35 GMT
Reading the above it seems odd that a prosecution even arose given the early statement from Mrs Barton? The Bartons have been a couple for something like 25 years now - they met when 13 according to Joey’s book. No previous mentions of problems seem to have hit the press (and I doubt it could be easily hidden). It does seem The Met and the CPS are chasing this in a similar manner to the Caroline Flack case claiming it’s in the public interest. The only public interest imo is in sleaze, not doing anything for the greater good. Ignoring an offer to give a statement from the alleged victim and two follow up emails also seems very odd. The one thing that has hardly been mentioned but seems to me to be where Joey could come really unstuck is who are the other couple and are they (have they) giving/given evidence? Is this why the point regarding interference by the other couple was raised in court today? This is pure speculation but the timing seems to me to fit - are they Clint Hill and his wife? Isn’t that when Clint departed suddenly over ‘family matters’? All in all it seems like an anti celebrity crusade against someone who has brought an awful lot of problems down on himself but I don’t see anyone other than lawyers getting anything from this farce. A lot of public money (our money) has gone into this and all it has done has put strain on a relationship that seems pretty sound and that Mrs Barton seemingly wants to continue. As a Club it doesn’t help Rovers unless you believe the ‘No publicity is bad publicity’ adage. We improved massively after the Stendel farce was resolved, was that a coincidence? I hope this doesn’t get in the way of the next 9 games. UTG! Oh yes, talking of coincidences - UTG can stand for Up Tom Gorringe as well as The Gas and our surge up the table also seems to coincide with Tom’s appointment. There was no "early statement", from what we're heard today Mrs B waited until the 17 Feb, which was a month and a day before the trial, before writing to the CPS with her statement. i guess the police/CPS can't really win with these types of cases as if they take no action and the victim is assaulted again in the future people will ask why they never took any action, if they take action people ask what's the point in taking any action! From what we've heard so far it seems the other two couples present have not given any statements. I think you will find a statement was issued on Twitter within a couple of days. Even so the police and cps said she had subsequently refused to testify and what looked like a lawyer drafted statement appeared where she said she had never accused JB of violence etc.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 18, 2022 22:12:43 GMT
There was no "early statement", from what we're heard today Mrs B waited until the 17 Feb, which was a month and a day before the trial, before writing to the CPS with her statement. i guess the police/CPS can't really win with these types of cases as if they take no action and the victim is assaulted again in the future people will ask why they never took any action, if they take action people ask what's the point in taking any action! From what we've heard so far it seems the other two couples present have not given any statements. I think you will find a statement was issued on Twitter within a couple of days. Even so the police and cps said she had subsequently refused to testify and what looked like a lawyer drafted statement appeared where she said she had never accused JB of violence etc. I'm aware of the post on Instagram but that's was hardly a statement the CPS could reply upon.
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Post by Gasshole on Mar 18, 2022 22:23:54 GMT
It’s a sad fact but the majority of these types of cases alcohol is a major contributing factor.
Get help, get sober or get out
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