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Post by Feeling The Blues on Apr 17, 2022 12:05:50 GMT
There’s plenty on here who are frustrated by the absolute lack of action on our embarrassing stadium and how the current owner has first of all trashed the UWE project, gone back on his promise to redevelop the Mem, and not talked about the so say Fruit Market plan since he blurted out some nonsense at Blackpool three years ago. He doesn’t even talk about it anymore as there’s nothing to say. It’s the elephant in the room, and whist other clubs like Vale, and like all of our erstwhile rivals like Reading, Swansea, Brentford, Cardiff, 82 etc have managed to redevelop or develop modern fit for purpose stadiums our owner hasn’t and what’s worse doesn’t even seem to be trying to do so unlike Higgs with his UWE plan, and unlike Dunford with the Mem revamp and various other schemes that failed for one reason or another. Yes, let’s enjoy the moment as we have a good team to watch and have a chance to get back to the third tier, where we have played most of our existence and is the limit of our current potential until the ground is sorted. The Mem has plenty of potential to be a decent enough stadium just like Vale Park. There’s no hotel or conference facilities or student flats attached to that ground or most grounds for that matter that are all vastly superior to ours. If someone expresses frustration or anger about our owner not doing any of the things he said he would with regards to a stadium how does that make them a shithead? All Sh1!heads I know are quite happy with his failure on this and laugh at him and us. On the other hand plenty of gasheads feel exactly as Chippenham does but there’s little point in expressing frustration on here because of nonsense replies like yours accusing them of being Sh1!heads! Any chance you could post a link to when Wael ever promised redeveloping the Mem? From the Post August, 10, 2017 "We've always had a fall back plan" "That is to look into regeneration of the Mem, it's a beautiful piece of land - spacious. I believe there were two sets of planning permission in the past for the Mem to be built up into a proper football stadium which offers fantastic facilities for our supporters. That's what we want to do now.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 17, 2022 12:07:03 GMT
Well that's simply not true. A quick Google search will show that the Mem is over twice the size even at it's reduced capacity. EDIT: Actually a lot of conflicting info but it's most certainly not lower capacity. The capacity at the Mem now is about the same as the capacity WAS when we played at Twerton. The attendance for the Liverpool cup game in 1992 was 9,462. That’s just a lazy argument though! Most football clubs see their capacity decline over time as rules become more stringent. And Twerton is a dive compared to the Mem, anybody who argues otherwise hasn’t been there a while and have rose tinted goggles for the past. As has been said. Nobody (or at least, mostly nobody) is happy with the quality of our facilities. It’s an unfortunate fact and the club is constantly stating their trying to work on new facilities. I’ve said it before on here. Would we rather club staff were coming out with architecture diagrams that never come to fruition or would we rather they kept quiet on the downlow and delivered something that’s actually feasible and lead to bricks in the ground? I know what I prefer.
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Post by garythegas on Apr 17, 2022 12:11:16 GMT
Back to on the field matters, tomorrows ref is the guy who was in charge of the home game v port vale.I bet JB is not very happy.
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Post by baggins on Apr 17, 2022 12:18:19 GMT
Back to on the field matters, tomorrows ref is the guy who was in charge of the home game v port vale.I bet JB is not very happy. Remind me?
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Apr 17, 2022 12:23:45 GMT
Back to on the field matters, tomorrows ref is the guy who was in charge of the home game v port vale.I bet JB is not very happy. Some Vale fans aren’t happy about it either as they think Barton will be in his ear before a ball is kicked.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 17, 2022 13:20:04 GMT
Any chance you could post a link to when Wael ever promised redeveloping the Mem? From the Post August, 10, 2017 "We've always had a fall back plan" "That is to look into regeneration of the Mem, it's a beautiful piece of land - spacious. I believe there were two sets of planning permission in the past for the Mem to be built up into a proper football stadium which offers fantastic facilities for our supporters. That's what we want to do now. So when did "look into" ever become a "promise"? Assuming Wael did look into developing the Mem then you can only assume that he found, like the previous two owners, that it wasn't viable.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Apr 17, 2022 13:24:33 GMT
From the Post August, 10, 2017 "We've always had a fall back plan" "That is to look into regeneration of the Mem, it's a beautiful piece of land - spacious. I believe there were two sets of planning permission in the past for the Mem to be built up into a proper football stadium which offers fantastic facilities for our supporters. That's what we want to do now. So when did "look into" ever become a "promise"? Assuming Wael did look into developing the Mem then you can only assume that he found, like the previous two owners, that it wasn't viable. No less viable than any other club who have developed on an existing site. Depends whether he wants to do it I suppose
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 17, 2022 13:38:53 GMT
So when did "look into" ever become a "promise"? Assuming Wael did look into developing the Mem then you can only assume that he found, like the previous two owners, that it wasn't viable. No less viable than any other club who have developed on an existing site. Depends whether he wants to do it I suppose Also depends on the projected return on investment, if a longer term plan yields better and more sustainable benefits then it would be worth waiting a bit longer for. As a fan I'd love a new stand at the Mem but it'll probably not pay for itself.
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Post by baggins on Apr 17, 2022 13:41:25 GMT
No less viable than any other club who have developed on an existing site. Depends whether he wants to do it I suppose Also depends on the projected return on investment, if a longer term plan yields better and more sustainable benefits then it would be worth waiting a bit longer for. As a fan I'd love a new stand at the Mem but it'll probably not pay for itself. As a bit of a Mem critic, Friday, full of Gas, with beer and cider flowing in the sun, it was actually a great place to be.
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Post by GasHeadBlues on Apr 17, 2022 13:53:12 GMT
Pathetic aren't they? You have to ask if they're even Gasheads or from that other place and just here for the wind up. Hugo used to sniff 'em out like a bloodhound. Hugo?......... There’s plenty on here who are frustrated by the absolute lack of action on our embarrassing stadium and how the current owner has first of all trashed the UWE project, gone back on his promise to redevelop the Mem, and not talked about the so say Fruit Market plan since he blurted out some nonsense at Blackpool three years ago. He doesn’t even talk about it anymore as there’s nothing to say. It’s the elephant in the room, and whist other clubs like Vale, and like all of our erstwhile rivals like Reading, Swansea, Brentford, Cardiff, 82 etc have managed to redevelop or develop modern fit for purpose stadiums our owner hasn’t and what’s worse doesn’t even seem to be trying to do so unlike Higgs with his UWE plan, and unlike Dunford with the Mem revamp and various other schemes that failed for one reason or another. Yes, let’s enjoy the moment as we have a good team to watch and have a chance to get back to the third tier, where we have played most of our existence and is the limit of our current potential until the ground is sorted. The Mem has plenty of potential to be a decent enough stadium just like Vale Park. There’s no hotel or conference facilities or student flats attached to that ground or most grounds for that matter that are all vastly superior to ours. If someone expresses frustration or anger about our owner not doing any of the things he said he would with regards to a stadium how does that make them a shithead? All Sh1!heads I know are quite happy with his failure on this and laugh at him and us. On the other hand plenty of gasheads feel exactly as Chippenham does but there’s little point in expressing frustration on here because of nonsense replies like yours accusing them of being Sh1!heads! According to that logic then I too must be Sh**thead as I have often expressed my frustration at our stadium development, or lack it. What is 'nonsense' is the constant barrage of criticism of everything Rovers by a few who hijack so many threads to spread their negativity. That in my book does not meet the definition of 'Supporter' and so I question their motivation. Otherwise you make some very good points in your post.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Apr 17, 2022 13:57:17 GMT
Also depends on the projected return on investment, if a longer term plan yields better and more sustainable benefits then it would be worth waiting a bit longer for. As a fan I'd love a new stand at the Mem but it'll probably not pay for itself. As a bit of a Mem critic, Friday, full of Gas, with beer and cider flowing in the sun, it was actually a great place to be. I love where the Mem is but the actual ground is worse than the one we had at Eastville 60 years ago. Plenty of clubs have redeveloped their old ground in similar built up urban locations to ours. Ashton Gate for example but we don’t need to build a 28k capacity stadium. Everton have a similar footprint to ours and look at what they’ve managed to fit in.
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Post by baggins on Apr 17, 2022 14:00:55 GMT
There’s plenty on here who are frustrated by the absolute lack of action on our embarrassing stadium and how the current owner has first of all trashed the UWE project, gone back on his promise to redevelop the Mem, and not talked about the so say Fruit Market plan since he blurted out some nonsense at Blackpool three years ago. He doesn’t even talk about it anymore as there’s nothing to say. It’s the elephant in the room, and whist other clubs like Vale, and like all of our erstwhile rivals like Reading, Swansea, Brentford, Cardiff, 82 etc have managed to redevelop or develop modern fit for purpose stadiums our owner hasn’t and what’s worse doesn’t even seem to be trying to do so unlike Higgs with his UWE plan, and unlike Dunford with the Mem revamp and various other schemes that failed for one reason or another. Yes, let’s enjoy the moment as we have a good team to watch and have a chance to get back to the third tier, where we have played most of our existence and is the limit of our current potential until the ground is sorted. The Mem has plenty of potential to be a decent enough stadium just like Vale Park. There’s no hotel or conference facilities or student flats attached to that ground or most grounds for that matter that are all vastly superior to ours. If someone expresses frustration or anger about our owner not doing any of the things he said he would with regards to a stadium how does that make them a shithead? All Sh1!heads I know are quite happy with his failure on this and laugh at him and us. On the other hand plenty of gasheads feel exactly as Chippenham does but there’s little point in expressing frustration on here because of nonsense replies like yours accusing them of being Sh1!heads! According to that logic then I too must be Sh**thead as I have often expressed my frustration at our stadium development, or lack it. What is 'nonsense' is the constant barrage of criticism of everything Rovers by a few who hijack so many threads to spread their negativity. That in my book does not meet the definition of 'Supporter' and so I question their motivation. Otherwise you make some very good points in your post. Few still with a grudge against the latest regime, and they'll do their best to upset.
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 17, 2022 14:01:12 GMT
As a bit of a Mem critic, Friday, full of Gas, with beer and cider flowing in the sun, it was actually a great place to be. I love where the Mem is but the actual ground is worse than the one we had at Eastville 60 years ago. Plenty of clubs have redeveloped their old ground in similar built up urban locations to ours. Ashton Gate for example but we don’t need to build a 28k capacity stadium. Everton have a similar footprint to ours and look at what they’ve managed to fit in. I have no problem with either a new build or a rebuilt Mem, but getting back to my point earlier, how would we/Wael pay for it?
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Post by yategasman on Apr 17, 2022 14:02:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 14:13:48 GMT
I think the season tickets and this thread are both going down the same road regarding the Stadium.
There is nothing anyone can do about it unless someone has a spare 40 to 50 million in their back pocket.
I said on the season ticket thread, we are very fortunate to have the owner we have. Even if I had unlimited funds why would I spend all that money on a new stadium at level 4 of the football pyramid.
Get to a point where TV money starts rolling in, then it makes business sense, but you can’t get there until you have a really decent squad and manager. In my opinion that’s what we are currently doing.
Yes Wael has made some mistakes but haven’t we all. But I’d rather have that than a complete nutter in control.
The Gas are coming, it just takes time and a very level business head. Let’s not forget we all want the same thing.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Apr 17, 2022 14:18:51 GMT
I love where the Mem is but the actual ground is worse than the one we had at Eastville 60 years ago. Plenty of clubs have redeveloped their old ground in similar built up urban locations to ours. Ashton Gate for example but we don’t need to build a 28k capacity stadium. Everton have a similar footprint to ours and look at what they’ve managed to fit in. I have no problem with either a new build or a rebuilt Mem, but getting back to my point earlier, how would we/Wael pay for it? I don’t know, but other clubs all seem to manage it. Why is it just whoever owns Bristol Rovers that can’t? Clubs that have redeveloped their old grounds whilst not appearing to have anything we haven’t include Port Vale, Plymouth Argyle, Notts County, Peterborough, Tranmere, Barnsley, Blackpool, Preston, etc, so why never Bristol Rovers who are bigger or potentially bigger than most of those clubs?
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Post by chippenhamgas on Apr 17, 2022 14:28:38 GMT
I love where the Mem is but the actual ground is worse than the one we had at Eastville 60 years ago. Plenty of clubs have redeveloped their old ground in similar built up urban locations to ours. Ashton Gate for example but we don’t need to build a 28k capacity stadium. Everton have a similar footprint to ours and look at what they’ve managed to fit in. I have no problem with either a new build or a rebuilt Mem, but getting back to my point earlier, how would we/Wael pay for it? Very simple, don't buy a club who desperately need a new stadium if you don't want to pay for it.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Apr 17, 2022 14:30:07 GMT
I have no problem with either a new build or a rebuilt Mem, but getting back to my point earlier, how would we/Wael pay for it? I don’t know, but other clubs all seem to manage it. Why is it just whoever owns Bristol Rovers that can’t? Clubs that have redeveloped their old grounds whilst not appearing to have anything we haven’t include Port Vale, Plymouth Argyle, Notts County, Peterborough, Tranmere, Barnsley, Blackpool, Preston, etc, so why never Bristol Rovers who are bigger or potentially bigger than most of those clubs? Because they follow through projects and we come up with excuses.
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Post by keygas on Apr 17, 2022 14:41:14 GMT
I have no problem with either a new build or a rebuilt Mem, but getting back to my point earlier, how would we/Wael pay for it? Very simple, don't buy a club who desperately need a new stadium if you don't want to pay for it. On the flip side to your comment , who in their right mind would buy a club when it’s obvious that a new stadium is required in the future. Thankfully Wael did or where would be now because I don’t think there was a queue of people willing to spend millions of pounds on us.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Apr 17, 2022 14:46:35 GMT
Very simple, don't buy a club who desperately need a new stadium if you don't want to pay for it. On the flip side to your comment , who in their right mind would buy a club when it’s obvious that a new stadium is required in the future. Thankfully Wael did or where would be now because I don’t think there was a queue of people willing to spend millions of pounds on us. Spot on. The old leadership were leading us to rack and ruin. It’s very easy for keyboard warriors to petulantly shout we must have a new stadium, and spend others peoples money. I have every confidence that Weal & TG will get there in the end.
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