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Post by bluebiro on Apr 21, 2022 15:23:39 GMT
Not all that wander are lost but some of these posters need help finding their way back to that hot bed of negativity on the other forum
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 21, 2022 15:41:36 GMT
"This isn't the club I recognise" Unprompted quote. December 2021, quoted by a semi celebrity skin head GasHead that if you were in North Bristol in 80s, he would have been ever-present. We looked up to him, back in the day. We still do. Hey.......everyone has their relationship with everyone here and the club, staff, owners managers, coaches, some are more invested emotionally than others, but the fact we all commune on here exactly equates to the same fact we don't just judge our consumption of the club as a cold business transaction...? We all take things further. Sometimes on a business/commercial level, sometimes on a more personal level..... that's why you're here on this forum. That's why I'm here on this forum. This is also why for some months, I've withdrawn my engagement here: Imagine my disdain and disgust? The club I love and have embraced since a kid, treating employees and staff like a commodity....I know they treat players like this (staff) but us fans, indeed patrons of the club that pay our way are certainly not far from next treatment. The new CEO (TG) decided to make a sweeping round of redundancies, with roles and jobs that were still needed and not therefore made obsolete or, redundant....? Unless my understanding of basic employment law has altered? I thought there was a duty of care...?.....a duty of care that once highlighted, the club are honoured and legally bound to help one of their own. I can say, with a heavy heart, TG has been a director and been well aware of numerous incidents (that he's nonchalantly ignored) within his directorship appointment, leading to the mental health breakdown of some employees. Doesn't give a fig. Not interested. Even when he issued his staff survey last year, the results were ominous, instead of focusing on how to improve the mental health issues surrounding his management of situations, all his interest was to pepper the safeguard officer at the time to betray confidence and inform on whom said what. It's disgusting. So..... instead of helping, it was far more productive to sweep them all aside to "restructure" when in thinly veiled "replace" was more apt..... without the necessary paid up expenses. To staff that have loyally served the club through hard times. I'm not saying he can't change things his way, but it has to conducted in the proper and correct manner, not employ an inept HR "person" that has become a guest in his box. For this, and many other incidents, some too private to share, some not to betray the trust of individuals, (for instance I have evidence the club broke furlough laws circa March 2020) I have chosen to stop extra funding to the club, it won't mean jack to TG or you, or anyone in like but it will satisfy my conscience.... it's left me with total apathy and (ironically) shifting my emphasis of support to the very least of caring in the club - the players - because my trust and faith has all but withered for the structure of employers that has resonated leaving me to think, for me, this isn't the club I recognise. A question of loyalty? I guess that works more than one way. In lockdown, some staff were relied on and championed as much as the missed fanbase. It appears a falsehood, when there's a £ to be exploited (ask some South Stand season ticket holders re FGR match!?) or nepotism behind the scenes....so my post is here to add balance and awareness for those whom are interested. The future may be Bright, the future may be Gorringe (for anyone that remembers the pun from advert) but for me I can holistically see it isn't like this for everyone.. Thank you for your indulgence and patience, it's nice to see some recognised posters still here. And to some new ones. As ever, brothers and sisters and inbetweeners: UptheGas! This is a bit like something that Knowall or members of the old SC used to write, make accusations or ITK comments about situations but with no real meat on the bones for anyone else to make head or tale of. You say it won’t mean much to TG, well it doesn’t mean much to us either. Could you elaborate a little further about whom you mean I’ll assume that if furlough rules have been broken, that the club has been reported to HMRC and the money returned? I’ll assume that if TGs management style is intolerant, arduous, heavy handed and without compassion that this has been reported to Wael for his consideration? I’ll also assume that all complaints around any form of dismissal has been reported to make a case for a tribunal? The case around the south stand has been explained, and as unfortunate and inconvenient it is, until we get a new stadium there isn’t much that can be done. It was hardly done in any malice by the club was it. EFL rules plus a crap stadium is what has caused the problems.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 15:57:50 GMT
Well said. GH1981
Whilst it is Upsetting / Inconvenient for South Stand Supporters (I haven't been affected as I am in the Thatcher's so cant comment). I think that is more of valid point that this issue has a thread of its own recently which is the place for that conversation.
As for the rest of the boll**ks, can we move on to the games coming up at the end of the season please. We have a team of players, and staff who run and make it happen for the club, that we really need to cheers on for the next few weeks.
I would suggest the OP revisit via the proper channels during the off season, and if any issues are properly raised this can be dealt with in a timely and proper manner.
UTG
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Post by yattongas on Apr 21, 2022 16:04:36 GMT
You can’t make an omelette without cracking a few eggs . Gorringe’s job is to maximise takings to try and make the club sustainable and be able to compete. With the club finally enjoying a bit of success and crowds coming back there was always going to be some difficult decisions to be made and thus a few fans put out of joint. That’s why he gets paid the big bucks I guess but fans are also entitled to moan/ complain if they feel poorly treated.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 21, 2022 17:54:30 GMT
Never seen myself under Wael or any other Ownership as being a Customer. I hadn't until the south stand season ticket and FGR issues. It is clear from how we were treated that we were just a ticket price. Most of us have been saying for years why are we letting an handful of season ticket holders cost the club thousands, it's a sensible business decision by the club, nothing more, nothing less. As far as Gasheads now being customers not fans I personally feel more of a connection with TG & Wael than I ever did when the likes of NH and "we never planned for relegation" TW were running the club.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 21, 2022 17:56:21 GMT
Why has the OP chosen to raise this now? Just when Rovers are on the cusp of success he (or she?) decides to basically accuse our CEO of illegal or unethical actions. I have no idea if any are true or just personal opinions, but why now? Fair question. Nothing to do with potential success, but I understand why naturally anyone would think that. Timing because of litigation procedures and policies regarding NDA non disclosure arrangements. What litigation? I thought the parties concerned would never sue Rovers because they apparently loved the club so much?
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Post by DrFaustus on Apr 21, 2022 18:20:51 GMT
Not all that wander are lost but some of these posters need help finding their way back to that hot bed of negativity on the other forum Not all of us who use the other forum are negative by the way.
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Post by herbertblake on Apr 21, 2022 18:39:38 GMT
Is a cash less stadium next July the thin edge of the wedge ?
Will younger/older fans without credit cards feel alienated and stop attending?
Is the Tottenham Hotspur model fit for purpose at Bs7.
Will ticket Diaster continue to be the provider and will Joe be found guilty in June
Lots of questions to get answered
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Post by bidefordgas on Apr 21, 2022 18:55:22 GMT
Is a cash less stadium next July the thin edge of the wedge ? Will younger/older fans without credit cards feel alienated and stop attending? Is the Tottenham Hotspur model fit for purpose at Bs7. Will ticket Diaster continue to be the provider and will Joe be found guilty in June. No. No. Yes. Yes.No.
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 21, 2022 18:58:29 GMT
Not all that wander are lost but some of these posters need help finding their way back to that hot bed of negativity on the other forum Not all of us who use the other forum are negative by the way. True, but you can understand the misconception. 😎
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Post by keygas on Apr 21, 2022 19:21:28 GMT
Is a cash less stadium next July the thin edge of the wedge ? Will younger/older fans without credit cards feel alienated and stop attending? Is the Tottenham Hotspur model fit for purpose at Bs7. Will ticket Diaster continue to be the provider and will Joe be found guilty in June Lots of questions to get answered Regarding your mentioning about the club going cashless, if it would have happened pre covid I think it may have left fans feeling alienated but the long period of when businesses were card payment only, has definitely coaxed people off cash. Only the other day I got on a bus for the first time in 3 years & the driver said, oh you got cash, everyone else was either paying by card or an app on their smartphone. I expect some fans will take issue like when we stopped being able to pay at the turnstiles, but it doesn’t take long before it becomes the norm.
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Post by The Equaliser on Apr 21, 2022 19:28:20 GMT
Is a cash less stadium next July the thin edge of the wedge ? Will younger/older fans without credit cards feel alienated and stop attending? Is the Tottenham Hotspur model fit for purpose at Bs7. Will ticket Diaster continue to be the provider and will Joe be found guilty in June Lots of questions to get answered Regarding your mentioning about the club going cashless, if it would have happened pre covid I think it may have left fans feeling alienated but the long period of when businesses were card payment only, has definitely coaxed people off cash. Only the other day I got on a bus for the first time in 3 years & the driver said, oh you got cash, everyone else was either paying by card or an app on their smartphone. I expect some fans will take issue like when we stopped being able to pay at the turnstiles, but it doesn’t take long before it becomes the norm. Great points. We have to keep moving forward to progress. I think we’re implementing change slowly and effectively 👍🏾
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Post by aghast on Apr 21, 2022 19:40:19 GMT
So you have been told some of this has NDA's attached and you then disclose it. Unbelievable! It's been an odd post to open a thread full stop. I can't get my head around it. I haven't got the faintest idea what the OP was all about, to be honest. It was written in such a weird way.
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Post by yattongas on Apr 21, 2022 19:41:57 GMT
It's been an odd post to open a thread full stop. I can't get my head around it. I haven't got the faintest idea what the OP was all about, to be honest. It was written in such a weird way. I fully understand what he was on about but due to a confidentiality clause I can’t tell you.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 21, 2022 20:52:01 GMT
I haven't got the faintest idea what the OP was all about, to be honest. It was written in such a weird way. I fully understand what he was on about but due to a confidentiality clause I can’t tell you. How many NDAs did you sign?
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Post by yattongas on Apr 21, 2022 20:56:34 GMT
I fully understand what he was on about but due to a confidentiality clause I can’t tell you. How many NDAs did you sign? Sorry , can’t tell you.
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Post by miamigas on Apr 21, 2022 21:08:27 GMT
The OP on this thread makes all the usual gripes and groans on here pale into insignificance. Apart trom the South stand situation for want of a better word, it begs the question why come out with this long list of unsubstantiated allegations mainly against our CEO at this moment in time? As Tilly says ex employees can easily obtain advice if they have been treated unfairly and employment laws have been broken. This seems to be in my opinion a rehash of many things mentioned on here before by a very bitter individual or two who I would suggest would be better off with his mates on the other forum. There's another forum? UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 21, 2022 21:13:34 GMT
Not all that wander are lost but some of these posters need help finding their way back to that hot bed of negativity on the other forum Not all of us who use the other forum are negative by the way. Well said DrF. Indeed. Never understand why some on here have a low opinion about the other place and some on the other place have a low opinion about this place. Quite bizarre. UTG!
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Post by bidefordgas on Apr 21, 2022 21:24:38 GMT
The OP on this thread makes all the usual gripes and groans on here pale into insignificance. Apart trom the South stand situation for want of a better word, it begs the question why come out with this long list of unsubstantiated allegations mainly against our CEO at this moment in time? As Tilly says ex employees can easily obtain advice if they have been treated unfairly and employment laws have been broken. This seems to be in my opinion a rehash of many things mentioned on here before by a very bitter individual or two who I would suggest would be better off with his mates on the other forum. There's another forum? UTG! The alternative forum, just type gas guzzler into Google, but beware it may well depress you!
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Post by bidefordgas on Apr 21, 2022 21:26:28 GMT
Not all of us who use the other forum are negative by the way. Well said DrF. Indeed. Never understand why some on here have a low opinion about the other place and some on the other place have a low opinion about this place. Quite bizarre. UTG! I think it's fair to say there are a greater number of chips on shoulders on the other forum
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