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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 21, 2022 9:51:25 GMT
"This isn't the club I recognise"
Unprompted quote.
December 2021, quoted by a semi celebrity skin head GasHead that if you were in North Bristol in 80s, he would have been ever-present. We looked up to him, back in the day. We still do.
Hey.......everyone has their relationship with everyone here and the club, staff, owners managers, coaches, some are more invested emotionally than others, but the fact we all commune on here exactly equates to the same fact we don't just judge our consumption of the club as a cold business transaction...?
We all take things further. Sometimes on a business/commercial level, sometimes on a more personal level..... that's why you're here on this forum. That's why I'm here on this forum.
This is also why for some months, I've withdrawn my engagement here:
Imagine my disdain and disgust?
The club I love and have embraced since a kid, treating employees and staff like a commodity....I know they treat players like this (staff) but us fans, indeed patrons of the club that pay our way are certainly not far from next treatment.
The new CEO (TG) decided to make a sweeping round of redundancies, with roles and jobs that were still needed and not therefore made obsolete or, redundant....?
Unless my understanding of basic employment law has altered?
I thought there was a duty of care...?.....a duty of care that once highlighted, the club are honoured and legally bound to help one of their own. I can say, with a heavy heart, TG has been a director and been well aware of numerous incidents (that he's nonchalantly ignored) within his directorship appointment, leading to the mental health breakdown of some employees.
Doesn't give a fig. Not interested.
It's disgusting.
So..... instead of helping, it was far more productive to sweep them all aside to "restructure" when in thinly veiled "replace" was more apt..... without the necessary paid up expenses. To staff that have loyally served the club through hard times. I'm not saying he can't change things his way, but it has to conducted in the proper and correct manner, not employ an inept HR "person" that has become a guest in his box.
For this, and many other incidents, some too private to share, some not to betray the trust of individuals, (for instance I have evidence the club broke furlough laws circa March 2020) I have chosen to stop extra funding to the club, it won't mean jack to TG or you, or anyone in like but it will satisfy my conscience.... it's left me with total apathy and (ironically) shifting my emphasis of support to the very least of caring in the club - the players - because my trust and faith has all but withered for the structure of employers that has resonated leaving me to think, for me, this isn't the club I recognise.
A question of loyalty?
I guess that works more than one way.
In lockdown, some staff were relied on and championed as much as the missed fanbase. It appears a falsehood, when there's a £ to be exploited (ask some South Stand season ticket holders re FGR match!?) or nepotism behind the scenes....so my post is here to add balance and awareness for those whom are interested.
The future may be Bright, the future may be Gorringe (for anyone that remembers the pun from advert) but for me I can holistically see it isn't like this for everyone..
Thank you for your indulgence and patience, it's nice to see some recognised posters still here. And to some new ones. As ever, brothers and sisters and inbetweeners: UptheGas!
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Post by biggles on Apr 21, 2022 9:59:01 GMT
the balls in your court tom!
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Post by gashead99 on Apr 21, 2022 10:15:07 GMT
I'm not party to any internal matters so can't and won't comment.
I am a disgruntled South Stand season ticket holder though.
We may be small in number but were there through the tough times.
Loyalty is important - we ask it of the players - so why can't we expect it.
I'm annoyed at having to move for next season. Partly because there was no real choice other than the SW stand and I don't want to sit in a corner, but more so that there was no consultation or consideration with affected season ticket holders beforehand, meaning long standing groups have been split up.
As for FGR, that is totally down to mismanagement by the club. Again, no-one was consulted, new tickets issued before any explanation given, family groups split into different rows and no offer of any compensation for not providing what we paid in advance for.
Football has always been about watching with family and friends, be that sitting or standing and always will be.
For the biggest game of the season (and who would have thought FGR would be included in that statement) it just won't be the same.
It's just unprofessional.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Apr 21, 2022 10:21:36 GMT
If the club have breached employment laws, the former staff members can take them to an employment tribunal.
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Post by fintanstack on Apr 21, 2022 10:44:59 GMT
If the club have breached employment laws, the former staff members can take them to an employment tribunal. Most if not all the old Rovers staff would probably never dream of taking the club they love to court whether they had a good case or not. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Apr 21, 2022 11:09:22 GMT
If the club have breached employment laws, the former staff members can take them to an employment tribunal. Most if not all the old Rovers staff would probably never dream of taking the club they love to court whether they had a good case or not. They are fortunate that their personal circumstances enable them to make a choice in this matter, a lot of people don't have that option. |
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Post by bidefordgas on Apr 21, 2022 11:09:56 GMT
The OP on this thread makes all the usual gripes and groans on here pale into insignificance.
Apart trom the South stand situation for want of a better word, it begs the question why come out with this long list of unsubstantiated allegations mainly against our CEO at this moment in time?
As Tilly says ex employees can easily obtain advice if they have been treated unfairly and employment laws have been broken.
This seems to be in my opinion a rehash of many things mentioned on here before by a very bitter individual or two who I would suggest would be better off with his mates on the other forum.
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Post by gassince1957 on Apr 21, 2022 11:27:01 GMT
Why has the OP chosen to raise this now? Just when Rovers are on the cusp of success he (or she?) decides to basically accuse our CEO of illegal or unethical actions. I have no idea if any are true or just personal opinions, but why now?
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Post by fintanstack on Apr 21, 2022 11:30:07 GMT
The OP on this thread makes all the usual gripes and groans on here pale into insignificance. Apart trom the South stand situation for want of a better word, it begs the question why come out with this long list of unsubstantiated allegations mainly against our CEO at this moment in time? As Tilly says ex employees can easily obtain advice if they have been treated unfairly and employment laws have been broken. This seems to be in my opinion a rehash of many things mentioned on here before by a very bitter individual or two who I would suggest would be better off with his mates on the other forum. I do not read the other forum and I was not aware of some of the issues raised in the opening post on this thread. I do not know if any of what they have said is even true. I do think that the club hierarchy now view us as customers more than they ever have so I hope that they are prepared for some to act like customers and demand fair treatment. I offer no judgement either way as to whether this new direction is good or better than what went before. We have little choice but to accept it, because most of us will always consider ourselves fans, and will never think of ourselves as customers and the club will never be held accountable. Some of the abuse aimed at the club (which I vehemently oppose) may have been born out of frustration at the commercial decision to use Ticketmaster and the slightly cynical decision to fudge the "ticket prize freeze" announcement. Again, I do not personally have an issue with the "Price freeze" but it was a little misleading for some and I understand that can lead to some anger for certain people. Someone made a very good point on another thread that today its a handful of Season Ticket holders in the South Stand. Nobody really cares. Tomorrow it may be something else but it will be too late. |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Apr 21, 2022 11:40:56 GMT
Blimey that's a lot to get ones head round! each to there own, strange timing IMHO and don't really understand the thinking behind posting it now unless it is to try and derail what has become a very positive forum in recent weeks.
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Post by baggins on Apr 21, 2022 11:42:23 GMT
The OP on this thread makes all the usual gripes and groans on here pale into insignificance. Apart trom the South stand situation for want of a better word, it begs the question why come out with this long list of unsubstantiated allegations mainly against our CEO at this moment in time? As Tilly says ex employees can easily obtain advice if they have been treated unfairly and employment laws have been broken. This seems to be in my opinion a rehash of many things mentioned on here before by a very bitter individual or two who I would suggest would be better off with his mates on the other forum. I do not read the other forum and I was not aware of some of the issues raised in the opening post on this thread. I do not know if any of what they have said is even true. I do think that the club hierarchy now view us as customers more than they ever have so I hope that they are prepared for some to act like customers and demand fair treatment. I offer no judgement either way as to whether this new direction is good or better than what went before. We have little choice but to accept it, because most of us will always consider ourselves fans, and will never think of ourselves as customers and the club will never be held accountable. Some of the abuse aimed at the club (which I vehemently oppose) may have been born out of frustration at the commercial decision to use Ticketmaster and the slightly cynical decision to fudge the "ticket prize freeze" announcement. Again, I do not personally have an issue with the "Price freeze" but it was a little misleading for some and I understand that can lead to some anger for certain people. Someone made a very good point on another thread that today its a handful of Season Ticket holders in the South Stand. Nobody really cares. Tomorrow it may be something else but it will be too late. Never seen myself under Wael or any other Ownership as being a Customer. |
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Post by gashead99 on Apr 21, 2022 11:45:41 GMT
I do not read the other forum and I was not aware of some of the issues raised in the opening post on this thread. I do not know if any of what they have said is even true. I do think that the club hierarchy now view us as customers more than they ever have so I hope that they are prepared for some to act like customers and demand fair treatment. I offer no judgement either way as to whether this new direction is good or better than what went before. We have little choice but to accept it, because most of us will always consider ourselves fans, and will never think of ourselves as customers and the club will never be held accountable. Some of the abuse aimed at the club (which I vehemently oppose) may have been born out of frustration at the commercial decision to use Ticketmaster and the slightly cynical decision to fudge the "ticket prize freeze" announcement. Again, I do not personally have an issue with the "Price freeze" but it was a little misleading for some and I understand that can lead to some anger for certain people. Someone made a very good point on another thread that today its a handful of Season Ticket holders in the South Stand. Nobody really cares. Tomorrow it may be something else but it will be too late. Never seen myself under Wael or any other Ownership as being a Customer. I hadn't until the south stand season ticket and FGR issues. It is clear from how we were treated that we were just a ticket price. |
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Post by baggins on Apr 21, 2022 11:50:43 GMT
Never seen myself under Wael or any other Ownership as being a Customer. I hadn't until the south stand season ticket and FGR issues. It is clear from how we were treated that we were just a ticket price. Yea, that's an odd and wrong decision to make and I'd be just as upset as you if that happened to me. |
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Post by fintanstack on Apr 21, 2022 11:57:22 GMT
I do not read the other forum and I was not aware of some of the issues raised in the opening post on this thread. I do not know if any of what they have said is even true. I do think that the club hierarchy now view us as customers more than they ever have so I hope that they are prepared for some to act like customers and demand fair treatment. I offer no judgement either way as to whether this new direction is good or better than what went before. We have little choice but to accept it, because most of us will always consider ourselves fans, and will never think of ourselves as customers and the club will never be held accountable. Some of the abuse aimed at the club (which I vehemently oppose) may have been born out of frustration at the commercial decision to use Ticketmaster and the slightly cynical decision to fudge the "ticket prize freeze" announcement. Again, I do not personally have an issue with the "Price freeze" but it was a little misleading for some and I understand that can lead to some anger for certain people. Someone made a very good point on another thread that today its a handful of Season Ticket holders in the South Stand. Nobody really cares. Tomorrow it may be something else but it will be too late. Never seen myself under Wael or any other Ownership as being a Customer. That was the point I was making. I do not expect you will ever see yourself that way. |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Apr 21, 2022 12:00:16 GMT
Never seen myself under Wael or any other Ownership as being a Customer. I hadn't until the south stand season ticket and FGR issues. It is clear from how we were treated that we were just a ticket price. I’ll be honest mate in that both these points you bring up there is more to it than is being presented… The South Stand issue, the club tried to do the right thing by phoning everyone personally and individually to talk about what was going on and why and to help accommodate changes. Unfortunately because of the time taken to get through everyone, and things like some accounts without updates or incorrect numbers, it got put out on Social Media before the club could contact everyone and then all he’ll breaks loose with Chinese whispers coming to the fore and angry customers claiming they hadn’t been dealt with appropriately etc … a controlled message and process is then broken and everything is agitated and reactive. Re the FGR tickets - this issue rests entirely with FGR as they didn’t request their full allocation up front (which is what I think they are meant to do) and they only requested 200 - they didn’t ask for more until recently which we provided and then only in the last few days have they asked for more again… the club have tried to accommodate both them and us as best they can and unfortunately due to segregation rules that has impacted already sold seats…. I feel really sorry for the club staff having to deal with this as it’s FGR who have caused the issue and our staff are taking the flak |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 21, 2022 12:10:39 GMT
Why has the OP chosen to raise this now? Just when Rovers are on the cusp of success he (or she?) decides to basically accuse our CEO of illegal or unethical actions. I have no idea if any are true or just personal opinions, but why now? Fair question. Nothing to do with potential success, but I understand why naturally anyone would think that. Timing because of litigation procedures and policies regarding NDA non disclosure arrangements. |
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Post by baggins on Apr 21, 2022 12:17:05 GMT
Why has the OP chosen to raise this now? Just when Rovers are on the cusp of success he (or she?) decides to basically accuse our CEO of illegal or unethical actions. I have no idea if any are true or just personal opinions, but why now? Fair question. Nothing to do with potential success, but I understand why naturally anyone would think that. Timing because of litigation procedures and policies regarding NDA non disclosure arrangements. I'm still not sure why you've brought any of this up? Litigation and NDA? Lost. |
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Post by baggins on Apr 21, 2022 12:19:41 GMT
Never seen myself under Wael or any other Ownership as being a Customer. That was the point I was making. I do not expect you will ever see yourself that way. I don't. Just a run of the mill Rovers Season ticket holder with no affiliation to the Supporters Club or anything else other than enjoying watching the Gas. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Apr 21, 2022 12:20:48 GMT
Why has the OP chosen to raise this now? Just when Rovers are on the cusp of success he (or she?) decides to basically accuse our CEO of illegal or unethical actions. I have no idea if any are true or just personal opinions, but why now? Fair question. Nothing to do with potential success, but I understand why naturally anyone would think that. Timing because of litigation procedures and policies regarding NDA non disclosure arrangements. Where was it originally posted? |
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Post by bidefordgas on Apr 21, 2022 12:23:37 GMT
Why has the OP chosen to raise this now? Just when Rovers are on the cusp of success he (or she?) decides to basically accuse our CEO of illegal or unethical actions. I have no idea if any are true or just personal opinions, but why now? Fair question. Nothing to do with potential success, but I understand why naturally anyone would think that. Timing because of litigation procedures and policies regarding NDA non disclosure arrangements. So you have been told some of this has NDA's attached and you then disclose it. Unbelievable! |
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