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Post by aforce on May 5, 2022 10:28:59 GMT
Can’t go gung-ho from the start,conceding a goal or more will make it an impossible task.Take it to them in a controlled way,see what’s happening at Barrow (they might get ahead themselves) we may just need any sort of win come the end so don’t want to be chasing any kind of deficit if that’s the case. Northampton have scored the opening goal in their last 4 games and we have only scored the opening goal once in our last 7 outings - both of these runs are due to end. Just as an aside,spoke to lofty and Elliot Anderson today (they’re lodging in the same house) lofty looking to bail at the end of the season he has a house in Huddersfield and seems like he would favour a move back oop north.Might change if he’s Saturdays/Play off hero mind.Young Elliot wants to play in tha Championship next season (no surprise there) nothing fixed up yet and it is of course Newcastle who will decide what level he will be pitched in at next season. Also find it strange lofty would be unprofessional enough to talk openly about that
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Post by SleepyGas on May 5, 2022 10:34:57 GMT
Not sure how this goal diffrence works, If Northahampon win say 2 1 do we still need to win 6 nil or would 5 be enough as Barrow got 1 goal? Goal difference works by taking the total number of goals scored and then subtracting from that the number of goals conceded. Northampton Town have scored 57 and conceded 37 (57-37=20) Bristol Rovers have scored 64 and conceded 49 (64-49=15) So if Northampton win 2-1 you can take 1 away from 2 and add the difference to their goal difference tally giving them 21 ... and if we win 5-0 you can take 0 from 5 and add the difference to our goal difference tally giving us 20. That would mean Northampton go up on goal difference. If we win 6-0 and Northampton win 2-1 then we can add 6 to our goal difference giving us 21. That would be the same as Northampton, which means we go to "goals scored" as the next metric. We have a greater goals scored tally and so we would go up on that.
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Post by kylegas on May 5, 2022 10:55:59 GMT
Excluding Alfreton in the Conference, when was the last time we won a game by 6 clear goals in the EFL? Reading 23 years ago? Struggling to remember another. 6, 7, 8-0 scorelines seldom happen, even when teams play sides many leagues below in the cup. The fact that we probably NEED to score 6, 7 or 8 only makes it more difficult in my opinion. Scunthorpe have only lost 1 of their last 3 games, a 2-1 defeat away at Bradford. Not bad considering the Bantams knocked 4 past Sutton in their next game. Their results have actually improved slightly since they introduced a few of their younger prospects. We'd all love to thrash them on Saturday but any sort of win is a good result and the first priority has to be to make sure we pick up 3 points. If we get 2 or 3 goals up then we can afford to take a few more risks and go all out to try and score as many as possible. 6-0 Northampton when Harrison scored 4, 7-1 Burton Elliott Richards hat trick under McGhee.. that’d just off the top of my head
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Post by GasAttacK on May 5, 2022 11:04:08 GMT
Excluding Alfreton in the Conference, when was the last time we won a game by 6 clear goals in the EFL? Reading 23 years ago? Struggling to remember another. 6, 7, 8-0 scorelines seldom happen, even when teams play sides many leagues below in the cup. The fact that we probably NEED to score 6, 7 or 8 only makes it more difficult in my opinion. Scunthorpe have only lost 1 of their last 3 games, a 2-1 defeat away at Bradford. Not bad considering the Bantams knocked 4 past Sutton in their next game. Their results have actually improved slightly since they introduced a few of their younger prospects. We'd all love to thrash them on Saturday but any sort of win is a good result and the first priority has to be to make sure we pick up 3 points. If we get 2 or 3 goals up then we can afford to take a few more risks and go all out to try and score as many as possible. 6-0 Northampton when Harrison scored 4, 7-1 Burton Elliott Richards hat trick under McGhee.. that’d just off the top of my head Shows I'm getting old, I was at both those games. Memory isn't what it used to be.
I thinking NEEDING to win by 6 goals makes the task that much harder though.
Has there ever been a situation in the EFL where a team NEEDED to win by 6+ goals and achieved it?
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Post by kruger on May 5, 2022 11:12:12 GMT
Not sure how this goal diffrence works, If Northahampon win say 2 1 do we still need to win 6 nil or would 5 be enough as Barrow got 1 goal? Goal difference works by taking the total number of goals scored and then subtracting from that the number of goals conceded. Northampton Town have scored 57 and conceded 37 (57-37=20) Bristol Rovers have scored 64 and conceded 49 (64-49=15) So if Northampton win 2-1 you can take 1 away from 2 and add the difference to their goal difference tally giving them 21 ... and if we win 5-0 you can take 0 from 5 and add the difference to our goal difference tally giving us 20. That would mean Northampton go up on goal difference. If we win 6-0 and Northampton win 2-1 then we can add 6 to our goal difference giving us 21. That would be the same as Northampton, which means we go to "goals scored" as the next metric. We have a greater goals scored tally and so we would go up on that. thankyou, explained perfect
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Post by kylegas on May 5, 2022 11:17:44 GMT
6-0 Northampton when Harrison scored 4, 7-1 Burton Elliott Richards hat trick under McGhee.. that’d just off the top of my head Shows I'm getting old, I was at both those games. Memory isn't what it used to be.
I thinking NEEDING to win by 6 goals makes the task that much harder though.
Has there ever been a situation in the EFL where a team NEEDED to win by 6+ goals and achieved it?
I think those scorelines usually happen when there is little to nothing on the line. We just have to play our normal game in the first half and there’s no reason that won’t be enough to grab a couple of goals, beyond that we just keep stepping up the pace accordingly. it’s very possible we’ll be able to do it but I don’t think there much you can do differently to play for it tbh.. the first goal really is the biggest one
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 5, 2022 11:32:45 GMT
Can’t go gung-ho from the start,conceding a goal or more will make it an impossible task.Take it to them in a controlled way,see what’s happening at Barrow (they might get ahead themselves) we may just need any sort of win come the end so don’t want to be chasing any kind of deficit if that’s the case. Northampton have scored the opening goal in their last 4 games and we have only scored the opening goal once in our last 7 outings - both of these runs are due to end. Just as an aside,spoke to lofty and Elliot Anderson today (they’re lodging in the same house) lofty looking to bail at the end of the season he has a house in Huddersfield and seems like he would favour a move back oop north.Might change if he’s Saturdays/Play off hero mind.Young Elliot wants to play in tha Championship next season (no surprise there) nothing fixed up yet and it is of course Newcastle who will decide what level he will be pitched in at next season. Well if Loftys looking to bail there is the little matter of a 2.5 year contract to sort out with Joey and the club first. Yes, i call BS
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Post by Marshy on May 5, 2022 12:01:22 GMT
6-0 Northampton when Harrison scored 4, 7-1 Burton Elliott Richards hat trick under McGhee.. that’d just off the top of my head Shows I'm getting old, I was at both those games. Memory isn't what it used to be.
I thinking NEEDING to win by 6 goals makes the task that much harder though.
Has there ever been a situation in the EFL where a team NEEDED to win by 6+ goals and achieved it?
Yes, Bristol Rovers on the 7th May 2022.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 5, 2022 12:06:02 GMT
Not sure how this goal diffrence works, If Northahampon win say 2 1 do we still need to win 6 nil or would 5 be enough as Barrow got 1 goal? Not sure if serious? 😳
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Post by baggins on May 5, 2022 12:11:49 GMT
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Post by gasheadmichal on May 5, 2022 12:15:43 GMT
GF-GA=GD
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Post by baggins on May 5, 2022 12:18:50 GMT
That's one of Marshy's internet searches.
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Post by tommym9 on May 5, 2022 12:21:59 GMT
Don't we only need to match their GD as we have more goals scored and it goes on that next. This is taken from the EFL (yes I'm that sad)
9 Method of Determining League Positions
9.1 At the end of each Season the Club in each Division scoring the highest number of points shall be declared the Champion Club of that Division. Three points shall be awarded for each League Match won. One point will be awarded to each Club for a drawn match. If two or more Clubs have scored the same number of points their position in the Division shall be determined on goal difference, that is to say, the difference between the total number of goals scored by and against a Club in League Matches in that Season, and the higher or highest placed Club shall be the Club with the highest goal difference. If any two or more Clubs have scored the same number of points and have the same goal difference the higher or highest placed Club shall be the Club having scored the most goals in League Matches in that Season.
9.2 If two or more Clubs have the same number of points, goal difference and goals scored the highest placed Club shall be determined by the respective League records against each other, taking into account in order of precedence, points gained, goal difference and goals scored.
9.3 If the above procedures do not separate the Clubs then the highest placed Club shall be determined by reference to the following criteria, in the order prescribed:
9.3.1 number of wins;
9.3.2 goals scored in away games; or
9.3.3 in accordance with the provisions of Regulation 9.4.
9.4 Where two or more Clubs are tied after the procedures set out in Regulations 9.1 to 9.3 inclusive then the highest placed Club shall be the Club which has accumulated the lowest total number of penalty points (as determined in accordance with Regulations 9.5 and 9.6) following the completion of 42 League Matches in the relevant Season.
9.5 Each cautionable or sending-off offence committed by a Club’s Players in each League Match during a playing season will incur that Club a set number of penalty points in accordance with the following table:
OFFENCE
PENALTY POINTS INCURRED
Any cautionable offence
4 penalty points
Denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball
10 penalty points
Denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick
10 penalty points
Serious foul play
12 penalty points
Spitting at an opponent or any other person
12 penalty points
Violent conduct
12 penalty points
Using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
12 penalty points
Receiving a second caution in the same Match
10 penalty points
9.6 Where any sending-off offence is subject to a successful claim for wrongful dismissal in accordance with the Disciplinary Regulations of the Football Association, any penalty points that the sending-off offence would otherwise have incurred shall be disregarded for the purposes of calculating a Club’s cumulative total of penalty points in accordance with this Regulation.
9.7 Where two or more Clubs are still tied after the procedures set out in Regulations 9.1 to 9.6 inclusive, then the highest placed Club shall be the Club which has accumulated the lowest number of sending off offences which attract 12 penalty points in accordance with the table set out in Regulation 9.5 (subject always to Regulation 9.6).
9.8 If the above procedures do not separate the Clubs, then the Clubs concerned shall play off a deciding League Match or Matches under arrangements determined by the League. The net gate money, after deducting the usual match expenses and Venue Costs (as defined below) shall be equally divided between the two competing Clubs. The League shall be responsible for the financial arrangements made with the venue staging the match (and any such costs shall be the ‘Venue Costs’).
Guidance
Play-off matches as detailed above only take place in practice when directly involving automatic promotion or relegation places. Those involving home or away advantage in the Play-off Semi Finals may be resolved by alternate methods which are mutually agreed.
9.9 These provisions shall determine the ranking of Clubs in their respective Divisions.
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Post by Baxtinho on May 5, 2022 12:27:20 GMT
Don't we only need to match their GD as we have more goals scored and it goes on that next. This is taken from the EFL (yes I'm that sad) Well we're not going to go up on Fair Play are we?!😅
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Post by GasAttacK on May 5, 2022 12:36:11 GMT
Don't we only need to match their GD as we have more goals scored and it goes on that next. This is taken from the EFL (yes I'm that sad) 9 Method of Determining League Positions 9.1 At the end of each Season the Club in each Division scoring the highest number of points shall be declared the Champion Club of that Division. Three points shall be awarded for each League Match won. One point will be awarded to each Club for a drawn match. If two or more Clubs have scored the same number of points their position in the Division shall be determined on goal difference, that is to say, the difference between the total number of goals scored by and against a Club in League Matches in that Season, and the higher or highest placed Club shall be the Club with the highest goal difference. If any two or more Clubs have scored the same number of points and have the same goal difference the higher or highest placed Club shall be the Club having scored the most goals in League Matches in that Season. 9.2 If two or more Clubs have the same number of points, goal difference and goals scored the highest placed Club shall be determined by the respective League records against each other, taking into account in order of precedence, points gained, goal difference and goals scored. 9.3 If the above procedures do not separate the Clubs then the highest placed Club shall be determined by reference to the following criteria, in the order prescribed: 9.3.1 number of wins; 9.3.2 goals scored in away games; or 9.3.3 in accordance with the provisions of Regulation 9.4. 9.4 Where two or more Clubs are tied after the procedures set out in Regulations 9.1 to 9.3 inclusive then the highest placed Club shall be the Club which has accumulated the lowest total number of penalty points (as determined in accordance with Regulations 9.5 and 9.6) following the completion of 42 League Matches in the relevant Season. 9.5 Each cautionable or sending-off offence committed by a Club’s Players in each League Match during a playing season will incur that Club a set number of penalty points in accordance with the following table: OFFENCE PENALTY POINTS INCURRED Any cautionable offence 4 penalty points Denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball 10 penalty points Denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick 10 penalty points Serious foul play 12 penalty points Spitting at an opponent or any other person 12 penalty points Violent conduct 12 penalty points Using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures 12 penalty points Receiving a second caution in the same Match 10 penalty points 9.6 Where any sending-off offence is subject to a successful claim for wrongful dismissal in accordance with the Disciplinary Regulations of the Football Association, any penalty points that the sending-off offence would otherwise have incurred shall be disregarded for the purposes of calculating a Club’s cumulative total of penalty points in accordance with this Regulation. 9.7 Where two or more Clubs are still tied after the procedures set out in Regulations 9.1 to 9.6 inclusive, then the highest placed Club shall be the Club which has accumulated the lowest number of sending off offences which attract 12 penalty points in accordance with the table set out in Regulation 9.5 (subject always to Regulation 9.6). 9.8 If the above procedures do not separate the Clubs, then the Clubs concerned shall play off a deciding League Match or Matches under arrangements determined by the League. The net gate money, after deducting the usual match expenses and Venue Costs (as defined below) shall be equally divided between the two competing Clubs. The League shall be responsible for the financial arrangements made with the venue staging the match (and any such costs shall be the ‘Venue Costs’). Guidance Play-off matches as detailed above only take place in practice when directly involving automatic promotion or relegation places. Those involving home or away advantage in the Play-off Semi Finals may be resolved by alternate methods which are mutually agreed. 9.9 These provisions shall determine the ranking of Clubs in their respective Divisions. That's correct and why we need to win by at least 6 clear goals if Northampton win at Barrow.
We have to win by at least 5 goals more than Northampton beat Barrow.
If Northampton win by 1, we need to win by 6. If Northampton win by 2, we need to win by 7. If Northampton win by 3, we need to win by 8. If Northampton win by 4, we need to win by 9.....
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on May 5, 2022 12:40:25 GMT
+5 better than Northampton Guarantee promotion!
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Post by oliverhelmet on May 5, 2022 13:27:26 GMT
Well if Loftys looking to bail there is the little matter of a 2.5 year contract to sort out with Joey and the club first. Yes, i call BS I never post bullshit kp.Check out my previous posting history,the only bum steer I was given was Luke McCormick signing for Millwall at the end of last season and that was straight from the horses mouth as well (don’t know what happened as he was gone from here).Obviously has the contract but doesn’t mean he can’t go to another club if the money is right for BRFC.Watch and wait,he seemed pretty clear in that he doesn’t see his future with us.
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Post by percy on May 5, 2022 13:43:59 GMT
I never post bullshit kp.Check out my previous posting history,the only bum steer I was given was Luke McCormick signing for Millwall at the end of last season and that was straight from the horses mouth as well (don’t know what happened as he was gone from here).Obviously has the contract but doesn’t mean he can’t go to another club if the money is right for BRFC.Watch and wait,he seemed pretty clear in that he doesn’t see his future with us. Pretty unprofessional on his part then. Would rather not see him on the pitch for the next 4 games if thats his attitude. Waste of money
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Post by bidefordgas on May 5, 2022 13:44:23 GMT
I never post bullshit kp.Check out my previous posting history,the only bum steer I was given was Luke McCormick signing for Millwall at the end of last season and that was straight from the horses mouth as well (don’t know what happened as he was gone from here).Obviously has the contract but doesn’t mean he can’t go to another club if the money is right for BRFC.Watch and wait,he seemed pretty clear in that he doesn’t see his future with us. Quite staggered at this stage of the season that one of our players is spouting off to a supporter about wanting away from the club especially one who reportedly cost us a fee and was rewarded with a 2.5 year contract undoubtedly on more than he was at his previous club.
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Post by bidefordgas on May 5, 2022 13:48:24 GMT
I never post bullshit kp.Check out my previous posting history,the only bum steer I was given was Luke McCormick signing for Millwall at the end of last season and that was straight from the horses mouth as well (don’t know what happened as he was gone from here).Obviously has the contract but doesn’t mean he can’t go to another club if the money is right for BRFC.Watch and wait,he seemed pretty clear in that he doesn’t see his future with us. Pretty unprofessional on his part then. Would rather not see him on the pitch for the next 4 games if thats his attitude. Waste of money Simple solutionn for the club if this is true. Get him to pay back what he cost us and cancel his contract with immediate effect. He is then free to find another club, if anyone is prepared to take him after finding that out. I might add if it is true.
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