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Post by gashead79 on May 14, 2022 8:25:20 GMT
Our away attendances are great but isn't that to be expected? Large town, fairly good access to the rest of the country. The % to home crowd stands put and does actually give us a feather over the teds but we have had a good season. Town or 6th biggest city in the country? Not sure my choice of description matters🤷♂️ 6th biggest? How is that measured then because its not easy to determine 'size' when talking about a city. If you are referring to Bristol alone we are not 6th biggest in land size or population. This makes the topic worse anyway!
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Post by gaelgas on May 14, 2022 8:59:39 GMT
Perhaps a better comparison would be the number of times each club sold out an away end. There were a number of games I wanted to attend that I couldn't because I couldn't get a ticket.
As for the whole well they had a sh** season and we got promoted, didn't they actually start ok whilst we were dogsh*t til after Christmas.
With regards to their home attendance being so much higher even though they had a poor season, don't they include all season ticket holders in official attendances like us? Also we had 4 or 5 sell outs meaning more would have gone if they could (in the case of the FGR and Scunny games, quite a lot more).
I'm not saying we are at the same level as them (although away attendances we're not a million miles away and the teams we're playing and the level we're playing at etc show our away support is pretty strong) but given we were two divisions below the gap might be closing.
One last thing, I do not trust official away figures for some of these games. Officially we had just over 2000 for PV and Rochdale, if you look at the capacities of those away ends and then look at the pictures of the rovers support the two don't add up. I was at the Rochdale game, officially just over 2000 in a 3500 capacity stand, yes there were a few empty seats at either end but equally there were dozens stood in the aisles where I was, I wouldn't be surprised if that were true closer to the middle of the stand too.
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Post by pirate on May 14, 2022 9:02:05 GMT
Averaging over 1,000 away in the 4th tier is an impressive effort.
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Post by peterhooper57 on May 14, 2022 9:02:54 GMT
All down to how well the team does. Until we’re both in the same league playing the same teams it’s a pointless comparison. As it is they had a sh** season and still took more on their travels than us who got promoted. Flawed logic; Rovers away attendances would have been far higher had BRFC been given more tickets, e.g. Sutton; also, away travel, for some, is determined by the level and quality of the opposition as well as the facilities at the stadium. Consequently, away to Derby County next season, you will inevitably see Rovers taking a larger crew than normal. Rovers match day support is fantastic, the latent support is also there, and the Sh*t know it.
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Post by playtowin on May 14, 2022 10:32:44 GMT
Fans per mile travelled is also a worthwhile stat to see.
Having more fans or a bigger stadium doesnt make you more successful. Look at Bradford compared to FGR.
As for city and rovers. If they were both in the same league and rovers finished 8th and city 15th. It wouldnt matter how big or posh a stadium you have or how many people watched the games. Its the football that counts.
City are years ahead of Rovers....2 years . The minimum time it would potentially take to finish above them in the pyramid.
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Post by Gastafari on May 14, 2022 11:10:21 GMT
Are we really years behind? Look at Luton, they went down to The Conference, like we did, however they spent 5 years down there, think they got promoted out of it the year we went down to it, so ultimately replaced us. Now look at them, they're in a Play Off Semi Final in with a chance of getting promoted to the Premier League. Kenilworth Rd although it has more seats than The Mem, it still has a smaller capacity and is just as ramshackle. We should be looking to emulate them. Not City, who are pretty much a failing business, just look at their accounts. Just because they've built 2 new stands to take the capacity to 28k or whatever it is, a turd is still a turd Yes we are years behind. What comparison do you make that suggests otherwise? Luton have done great, credit to them. They are the surprise package for the season but I don't see how we come to a place where we should emulate any certain team? Every club has it own nuances and recent histories that we won't be aware of. We've got 3 tents for stands fgs! Even Yeovil got to a place that we would like to get to. citi, are miles ahead of us. Even if we were in the same league the difference in stature would be astonishing. Their accounts are similar to lots of clubs in that league who gambled then got burnt by covid. I'd like to concentrate on us and stop with the comparisons as it just makes rovers look daft. We need a decent stadium to start off with. We are now back in League 1 and I believe with our momentum we'll be pushing up the top end of the Division next year. City will yet again be struggling. If it wasn't for points deductions to certain teams we could very well of been playing them again this coming season. The gap is very much closing imo. Stadium & Infrastructure is a must for long term, but in the short term as Luton have proved you don't necessarily need the shiny new stadium and don't need to spend big money on transfers and wages to compete at the top end of The Championship. I don't think they are miles ahead of us at all.
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Post by gashead79 on May 14, 2022 11:25:45 GMT
Yes we are years behind. What comparison do you make that suggests otherwise? Luton have done great, credit to them. They are the surprise package for the season but I don't see how we come to a place where we should emulate any certain team? Every club has it own nuances and recent histories that we won't be aware of. We've got 3 tents for stands fgs! Even Yeovil got to a place that we would like to get to. citi, are miles ahead of us. Even if we were in the same league the difference in stature would be astonishing. Their accounts are similar to lots of clubs in that league who gambled then got burnt by covid. I'd like to concentrate on us and stop with the comparisons as it just makes rovers look daft. We need a decent stadium to start off with. We are now back in League 1 and I believe with our momentum we'll be pushing up the top end of the Division next year. City will yet again be struggling. If it wasn't for points deductions to certain teams we could very well of been playing them again this coming season. The gap is very much closing imo. Stadium & Infrastructure is a must for long term, but in the short term as Luton have proved you don't necessarily need the shiny new stadium and don't need to spend big money on transfers and wages to compete at the top end of The Championship. I don't think they are miles ahead of us at all. Fair enough. If you are talking about league position then I guess we are a full division apart. Might not seem much but that's like saying the teds are closing the gap on Everton. We might be above Sheff Wed's, Sunderland, Ipswich and Bolton next year, that doesn't mean we are a better club does it? Since we got promoted a division, I suppose the gap on league standing has closed though.
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Post by chippenhamgas on May 14, 2022 13:03:23 GMT
Ultimately infrastructure determines where you can progress to, Luton are an exception and they have a new stadium two years down the road anyway. The fact remains that city have a premiership ready stadium and are only one season away from achieving it, we have a stadium that is one of the worst in the entire league which means like last time we will hit a brick wall. The fruit market is a non starter so unless wael bites the bullet on a full scale mem redevelopment this isn't going to change within the next 5 years.
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Post by Gastafari on May 14, 2022 13:49:37 GMT
Ultimately infrastructure determines where you can progress to, Luton are an exception and they have a new stadium two years down the road anyway. The fact remains that city have a premiership ready stadium and are only one season away from achieving it, we have a stadium that is one of the worst in the entire league which means like last time we will hit a brick wall. The fruit market is a non starter so unless wael bites the bullet on a full scale mem redevelopment this isn't going to change within the next 5 years. Also Bournemouth have done it in a stadium the same size as The Mem. Plus Brentford were also top end of Championship at Griffin Park
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Post by chippenhamgas on May 14, 2022 13:56:04 GMT
Ultimately infrastructure determines where you can progress to, Luton are an exception and they have a new stadium two years down the road anyway. The fact remains that city have a premiership ready stadium and are only one season away from achieving it, we have a stadium that is one of the worst in the entire league which means like last time we will hit a brick wall. The fruit market is a non starter so unless wael bites the bullet on a full scale mem redevelopment this isn't going to change within the next 5 years. Also Bournemouth have done it in a stadium the same size as The Mem. Plus Brentford were also top end of Championship at Griffin Park Brentford had a new stadium on the way, Bournemouth had already made theirs all seater, making the mem all seater without a complete redevelopment would reduce the capacity to probably less than 7000, the capacity is already reducing in its current state!
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Post by gashead79 on May 14, 2022 13:56:55 GMT
Ultimately infrastructure determines where you can progress to, Luton are an exception and they have a new stadium two years down the road anyway. The fact remains that city have a premiership ready stadium and are only one season away from achieving it, we have a stadium that is one of the worst in the entire league which means like last time we will hit a brick wall. The fruit market is a non starter so unless wael bites the bullet on a full scale mem redevelopment this isn't going to change within the next 5 years. Also Bournemouth have done it in a stadium the same size as The Mem. Plus Brentford were also top end of Championship at Griffin Park Bournemouth have got 11300 seats. We've got about 38. Their stadium is miles better than ours. Our ground is awful, especially for away fans. It's an embarrassment and really holds us back. Full credit to our supporters for putting up with it tbh because I don't, have hardly been for the last 5 years.
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Post by socrates on May 14, 2022 14:02:11 GMT
Are we really years behind? Look at Luton, they went down to The Conference, like we did, however they spent 5 years down there, think they got promoted out of it the year we went down to it, so ultimately replaced us. Now look at them, they're in a Play Off Semi Final in with a chance of getting promoted to the Premier League. Kenilworth Rd although it has more seats than The Mem, it still has a smaller capacity and is just as ramshackle. We should be looking to emulate them. Not City, who are pretty much a failing business, just look at their accounts. Just because they've built 2 new stands to take the capacity to 28k or whatever it is, a turd is still a turd Yes we are years behind. What comparison do you make that suggests otherwise? Luton have done great, credit to them. They are the surprise package for the season but I don't see how we come to a place where we should emulate any certain team? Every club has it own nuances and recent histories that we won't be aware of. We've got 3 tents for stands fgs! Even Yeovil got to a place that we would like to get to. citi, are miles ahead of us. Even if we were in the same league the difference in stature would be astonishing. Their accounts are similar to lots of clubs in that league who gambled then got burnt by covid. I'd like to concentrate on us and stop with the comparisons as it just makes rovers look daft. We need a decent stadium to start off with. I don’t think it’s a question of years. It’s about money. Their owner is a multibillion aire ours is worth roughly half a billion. Theirs could afford to make the stadium happen without help ours can’t or hasn’t so far. Theirs can afford to lose 30+ million every season ours can’t. It’s not about years it’s about money. Not sure I’d want us to be in the championship losing that kind of money anyway. £740,000 a week loss to watch your team one division higher is barely worth it.
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Post by chippenhamgas on May 14, 2022 14:03:30 GMT
Also Bournemouth have done it in a stadium the same size as The Mem. Plus Brentford were also top end of Championship at Griffin Park Bournemouth have got 11300 seats. We've got about 38. Their stadium is miles better than ours. Our ground is awful, especially for away fans. It's an embarrassment and really holds us back. Full credit to our supporters for putting up with it tbh because I don't, have hardly been for the last 5 years. Yes not necessarily about the size, it's the facilities, even a 15k all seater with bars in the concourses etc would give us a platform to compete in the championship. The die hards continue to make excuses for appalling facilities that much smaller clubs take for granted, plenty like you who would probably be going most weeks if we could get our act together.
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 14, 2022 14:06:28 GMT
Yes we are years behind. What comparison do you make that suggests otherwise? Luton have done great, credit to them. They are the surprise package for the season but I don't see how we come to a place where we should emulate any certain team? Every club has it own nuances and recent histories that we won't be aware of. We've got 3 tents for stands fgs! Even Yeovil got to a place that we would like to get to. citi, are miles ahead of us. Even if we were in the same league the difference in stature would be astonishing. Their accounts are similar to lots of clubs in that league who gambled then got burnt by covid. I'd like to concentrate on us and stop with the comparisons as it just makes rovers look daft. We need a decent stadium to start off with. I don’t think it’s a question of years. It’s about money. Their owner is a multibillion aire ours is worth roughly half a billion. Theirs could afford to make the stadium happen without help ours can’t or hasn’t so far. Theirs can afford to lose 30+ million every season ours can’t. It’s not about years it’s about money. Not sure I’d want us to be in the championship losing that kind of money anyway. £740,000 a week loss to watch your team one division higher is barely worth it. Also, yes they are in the Championship watching better players at better grounds, but at the end of the day its all about enjoyment of the games and emotional experiences like last Saturday and many games this year. They have been bumbling around lower to mid table with fans moaning every week. I'd almost decided id prefer challenging at the top of L2 each season, but I think Joey can have us doing the same in L1 too, so my expectations have gone up significantly.
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Post by gashead79 on May 14, 2022 14:19:40 GMT
Yes we are years behind. What comparison do you make that suggests otherwise? Luton have done great, credit to them. They are the surprise package for the season but I don't see how we come to a place where we should emulate any certain team? Every club has it own nuances and recent histories that we won't be aware of. We've got 3 tents for stands fgs! Even Yeovil got to a place that we would like to get to. citi, are miles ahead of us. Even if we were in the same league the difference in stature would be astonishing. Their accounts are similar to lots of clubs in that league who gambled then got burnt by covid. I'd like to concentrate on us and stop with the comparisons as it just makes rovers look daft. We need a decent stadium to start off with. I don’t think it’s a question of years. It’s about money. Their owner is a multibillion aire ours is worth roughly half a billion. Theirs could afford to make the stadium happen without help ours can’t or hasn’t so far. Theirs can afford to lose 30+ million every season ours can’t. It’s not about years it’s about money. Not sure I’d want us to be in the championship losing that kind of money anyway. £740,000 a week loss to watch your team one division higher is barely worth it. Yes, the money available is a huge factor. Technically though, if you had a gazillion pounds and decided to build a stadium for the club, it would take years for us to play our first match.😉
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Post by bidefordgas on May 14, 2022 14:21:38 GMT
Town or 6th biggest city in the country? Not sure my choice of description matters🤷♂️ 6th biggest? How is that measured then because its not easy to determine 'size' when talking about a city. If you are referring to Bristol alone we are not 6th biggest in land size or population. This makes the topic worse anyway! By population the ten biggest cities in the UK are. London Birmingham Leeds Glasgow Sheffield Bradford Liverpool Edinburgh Manchester Bristol.
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Post by Gastafari on May 14, 2022 14:31:46 GMT
Not sure my choice of description matters🤷♂️ 6th biggest? How is that measured then because its not easy to determine 'size' when talking about a city. If you are referring to Bristol alone we are not 6th biggest in land size or population. This makes the topic worse anyway! By population the ten biggest cities in the UK are. London Birmingham Leeds Glasgow Sheffield Bradford Liverpool Edinburgh Manchester Bristol. Bristol is bigger than Bradford and Edinburgh. I think it's bigger than Manchester as well, pretty sure they include Salfords population with Manchesters
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Post by bidefordgas on May 14, 2022 14:41:24 GMT
By population the ten biggest cities in the UK are. London Birmingham Leeds Glasgow Sheffield Bradford Liverpool Edinburgh Manchester Bristol. Bristol is bigger than Bradford and Edinburgh. I think it's bigger than Manchester as well, pretty sure they include Salfords population with Manchesters These are the City population numbers not the greater areas. Not my figures national census figures off Google. Bristol is the 10th most populous city in the UK and the 8th largest by land area.
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Post by Gastafari on May 14, 2022 15:08:58 GMT
Bristol is bigger than Bradford and Edinburgh. I think it's bigger than Manchester as well, pretty sure they include Salfords population with Manchesters These are the City population numbers not the greater areas. Not my figures national census figures off Google. Bristol is the 10th most populous city in the UK and the 8th largest by land area. I'm not disagreeing with the national census figures, but they are dubious. Leeds was similar to Bristol about 5 years ago, then all of a sudden shot up to nearky 800k, because they included a lot of the towns within a 10 mile radius onto the actual City's figures. A bit like Bristol adding Bath, Yate, Thornbury etc to our population.
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Post by socrates on May 14, 2022 15:14:57 GMT
I don’t think it’s a question of years. It’s about money. Their owner is a multibillion aire ours is worth roughly half a billion. Theirs could afford to make the stadium happen without help ours can’t or hasn’t so far. Theirs can afford to lose 30+ million every season ours can’t. It’s not about years it’s about money. Not sure I’d want us to be in the championship losing that kind of money anyway. £740,000 a week loss to watch your team one division higher is barely worth it. Also, yes they are in the Championship watching better players at better grounds, but at the end of the day its all about enjoyment of the games and emotional experiences like last Saturday and many games this year. They have been bumbling around lower to mid table with fans moaning every week. I'd almost decided id prefer challenging at the top of L2 each season, but I think Joey can have us doing the same in L1 too, so my expectations have gone up significantly. Exactly
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