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Post by kampucheagas on Jul 18, 2022 18:07:27 GMT
Bored, hot, no signings so was interested to hear what others thought of the new ruling of banning headers for under 12 (for now) and how it will impact the game overall??
I’m not sure what will happen at corners? What happens when the ball is hoofed and the nippy striker knows the 6ft giant lad at the back can’t head it??
And will the youth football miss out on an integral part of the game, or is it inevitable that the science will eliminate heading in the future??
Who was the best headerer (is that a word?) of a ball you have ever seen? Gone are the days of a hoof to Devon, a flick on to Gary the tash and the ball smashing into the onion bag??
For me for his size, Yates was great in the air, and oooh ahhh John Taylor always seemed to get his head in the right place.
Will all countries agree to no heading at youth level and is it the right decision??
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jul 18, 2022 18:54:32 GMT
Think it's inevitable that something will be done, either it will be phased out or some kind of protection will be designed, things evolve and there will be moans but the game will get used to it and adapt. Alfie Biggs was a tremendous header of the ball and Harold always got a big cheer when/if he ever managed to get his head on the ball.!
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Post by dudelebowski on Jul 18, 2022 19:00:24 GMT
Certainly for the little un’s and their still developing skulls but in the professional game? Not so sure. Footballs are lighter than they’ve ever been, clearly players from a bygone generation are suffering from terrible illnesses as a result of heading a ball that’s trebled in weight over the course of a soaking wet match and was on par with heading a boulder 30 times a match. Will be interesting to see the data of players that played in the 90’s/00’s and 10’s in a few years time and wether any professionals of those eras end up with dementia etc…as a result of repetitive heading.
It’s not for me to say “I doubt it” but will be interesting to see the results of recent times.
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Post by TAGas on Jul 18, 2022 19:21:45 GMT
I agree, for little kids I understand it completely. But if they brought it to the professional game I probably won't watch football again.
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Post by kampucheagas on Jul 18, 2022 19:24:40 GMT
I agree, for little kids I understand it completely. But if they brought it to the professional game I probably won't watch football again. I just can’t see how it would work?? No kicking above head height? No corners? I know football evolves, but the header is a massive part of the game. Like someone above said, maybe head protective gear or maybe studies on the new balls will show no permanent damage?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 19:32:38 GMT
It will become a bigger hybrid version of 5 aside and Futsal Nothing above head height, kick ins for throw ins, and throw ins for corners.
I’m sure I read somewhere a few years ago that no electronic aids will be used at top level football. Granted that was under our Swiss and French friends. 🥴
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Post by yattongas on Jul 18, 2022 19:36:45 GMT
And Rugby will be tag rugby in 20 yrs time.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 18, 2022 19:51:21 GMT
If it's brought into the adult game I suspect it'll be more of a restriction in training rather than competitive matches.
There is a big difference in the odd header in a match and intensive repetition during training sessions.
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Post by kampucheagas on Jul 18, 2022 19:58:23 GMT
If it's brought into the adult game I suspect it'll be more of a restriction in training rather than competitive matches. There is a big difference in the odd header in a match and intensive repetition during training sessions. How would that be monitored?? You could imagine some sneaky teams doing intensive drills to capitalise on corners and big hoofs to catch out sleepy teams who haven’t learnt to head it!! Could be our route to the Prem!! Just sign up lanky lads who are brilliant in the air while all the other teams are passing it about getting nowhere! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 19:58:37 GMT
And Rugby will be tag rugby in 20 yrs time. League and Union governing bodies are facing a growing list of lawsuits from former players, the latest being former Wales skipper Ryan Jones, recently diagnosed with early onset dementia at just 41 years of age. Seems to me the human race has well passed the peak level of physicality suitable to play the game without the danger of a range of potential serious brain injuries occurring. Football has the same problem with high rates of concussions, traumatic brain injuries, and a serious brain disorder. Not sure what the answer is, awareness is out there now about the risks of head injuries in both codes. |
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Post by chilegas on Jul 18, 2022 20:05:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 20:13:52 GMT
While I am clueless about the NFL, they have all the protection in the world for there particular sport.
F1 with the Halo last couple of seasons, boxers in training with headgear. It’s coming, and if it saves lives I for one are 100% behind any ideas that help.
Just don’t swap the ball for a beach ball, unless you are at Anfield of course.
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Post by fintanstack on Jul 18, 2022 20:38:11 GMT
I do not think the game will suffer too much without headers really.
Rugby made a rod for its own back in relation to injuries by allowing so many subs. This allowed men to be twice the size they used to be because they now only need to play for fifty or sixty minutes maximum. If they had to last the full eight they would be much slimmer and therefore not hit so hard.
Tilson was probably the best header I can remember.
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Post by kampucheagas on Jul 18, 2022 20:41:45 GMT
I do not think the game will suffer too much without headers really. Rugby made a rod for its own back in relation to injuries by allowing so many subs. This allowed men to be twice the size they used to be because they now only need to play for fifty or sixty minutes maximum. If they had to last the full eight they would be much slimmer and therefore not hit so hard. Tilson was probably the best header I can remember. Tilson good shout I just can’t picture a game without headers. Could you not kick it above head height? VAR would be a nightmare!! |
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Post by fintanstack on Jul 18, 2022 20:43:41 GMT
I do not think the game will suffer too much without headers really. Rugby made a rod for its own back in relation to injuries by allowing so many subs. This allowed men to be twice the size they used to be because they now only need to play for fifty or sixty minutes maximum. If they had to last the full eight they would be much slimmer and therefore not hit so hard. Tilson was probably the best header I can remember. Tilson good shout I just can’t picture a game without headers. Could you not kick it above head height? VAR would be a nightmare!! Plenty of modern players can bring down a high ball on their chest or foot. Heading it will just be a free kick like handball. |
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Post by kampucheagas on Jul 18, 2022 20:47:46 GMT
Tilson good shout I just can’t picture a game without headers. Could you not kick it above head height? VAR would be a nightmare!! Plenty of modern players can bring down a high ball on their chest or foot. Heading it will just be a free kick like handball. Be plenty of free kicks then!! |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 18, 2022 22:14:56 GMT
Certainly for the little un’s and their still developing skulls but in the professional game? Not so sure. Footballs are lighter than they’ve ever been, clearly players from a bygone generation are suffering from terrible illnesses as a result of heading a ball that’s trebled in weight over the course of a soaking wet match and was on par with heading a boulder 30 times a match. Will be interesting to see the data of players that played in the 90’s/00’s and 10’s in a few years time and wether any professionals of those eras end up with dementia etc…as a result of repetitive heading. It’s not for me to say “I doubt it” but will be interesting to see the results of recent times. Yes. Small children with developing bones /skulls should be protected. But professional game will be different. Whatever happens should be based on actual and real evidence collected by the medical profession. The FA and PFA, both of whom have dragged their heels over this issue must have some very clear evidence of players from the 90s and 00s. I’d say it was good to see the FA finally doing something positive, albeit a trial, to collect evidence to help them decide on a way forward. But perhaps not to see this as a step towards “no heading” at this point, except for a trial period for 12-year olds. UTG! |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 18, 2022 22:37:49 GMT
I do not think the game will suffer too much without headers really. Rugby made a rod for its own back in relation to injuries by allowing so many subs. This allowed men to be twice the size they used to be because they now only need to play for fifty or sixty minutes maximum. If they had to last the full eight they would be much slimmer and therefore not hit so hard. Tilson was probably the best header I can remember. I’d be gutted if heading was stopped in football . Nothing better than watching a great headed goal , I’m probably a bit biased as an ex forward who scored probably 70% of my goals with my bonce . Football wouldn’t be the same imo . |
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Post by Gasshole on Jul 18, 2022 22:42:11 GMT
I’ve been heading a football for the last 50 years, and I have difficulty remembering my shoe size. True story.
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Post by Blueside on Jul 18, 2022 22:56:43 GMT
For me for his size, Yates was great in the air, and oooh ahhh John Taylor always seemed to get his head in the right place. Did you mean Gareth Taylor? He would probably be my nominee. |
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