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Post by It's a song on Aug 23, 2022 13:18:01 GMT
No worries, I've just found the Collins one. Probably best I don't comment Aww, go on!!!! Alright then. Never a pen. In fact if it was the other way around I'd be screaming for a yellow card for diving! I love Collins but I agree he has a habit of going down far too easily. UTG
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Post by kentgas on Aug 23, 2022 13:19:17 GMT
Exactly this Bideford. He was in front of their defence and pulling his left leg back to shoot.
Don’t get this notion that he was pulling his leg back deliberately for the defender to trip him - sounds bizarre.
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Post by bidefordgas on Aug 23, 2022 13:27:11 GMT
Exactly this Bideford. He was in front of their defence and pulling his left leg back to shoot. Don’t get this notion that he was pulling his leg back deliberately for the defender to trip him - sounds bizarre. Totally bizarre that in a fraction of a second a player can initiate the contact by a slight movement of his leg when he can't even see the oppositions player because he is right in front of him. There was clear contact on him and that alone warranted a penalty.
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Post by bluegas on Aug 23, 2022 13:36:35 GMT
Alright then. Never a pen. In fact if it was the other way around I'd be screaming for a yellow card for diving! I love Collins but I agree he has a habit of going down far too easily. UTG In which case why didn't Mr Ward reach for a card? He certainly displayed no sympathy for Rovers the whole of the game.
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Post by dudelebowski on Aug 23, 2022 13:45:04 GMT
Away from the penalty incidents, the identical gems for me was Harry Anderson closing their full back down in the left corner, early in the second half, hands up, gave him 2 yards, lad throws himself to the deck right in front of the Lino. Free kick Pompey.
Seconds before Pompey given a penalty, Collins standing on the ball right on the halfway line/sideline on the right wing, lad goes right through the back of him. Pompey awarded a throw in.
The theme of the entire afternoon right there.
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Post by It's a song on Aug 23, 2022 13:45:06 GMT
Alright then. Never a pen. In fact if it was the other way around I'd be screaming for a yellow card for diving! I love Collins but I agree he has a habit of going down far too easily. UTG In which case why didn't Mr Ward reach for a card? He certainly displayed no sympathy for Rovers the whole of the game. Maybe because there was actual contact, even though Collins initiated it, he felt he could keep the card in his pocket? I don't know, but even though it sounds like he was in terrible in general I think he got this one right. Would you be disgruntled if it was the other way around and Pompey were awarded a pen for that?
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Post by bidefordgas on Aug 23, 2022 13:46:47 GMT
Alright then. Never a pen. In fact if it was the other way around I'd be screaming for a yellow card for diving! I love Collins but I agree he has a habit of going down far too easily. UTG In which case why didn't Mr Ward reach for a card? He certainly displayed no sympathy for Rovers the whole of the game. Exactly the point. And if the homer ref did give us a penalty he would have to have sent their man iof because Collins was beyond the last man. I think it's clear Mr Ward was never going to do that.
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Post by kylegas on Aug 23, 2022 14:53:29 GMT
Alright then. Never a pen. In fact if it was the other way around I'd be screaming for a yellow card for diving! I love Collins but I agree he has a habit of going down far too easily. UTG In which case why didn't Mr Ward reach for a card? He certainly displayed no sympathy for Rovers the whole of the game. That’s a good point actually. I think it’s even more evidence of a terrible ref at least, which ever side you’re sitting on in this debate
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Post by meadgas on Aug 23, 2022 15:09:34 GMT
In which case why didn't Mr Ward reach for a card? He certainly displayed no sympathy for Rovers the whole of the game. Exactly the point. And if the homer ref did give us a penalty he would have to have sent their man iof because Collins was beyond the last man. I think it's clear Mr Ward was never going to do that. I thought they changed the rules on that, if you bring someone down outside the box and your the last man you get a red. However if the foul is a penalty they just get a yellow even if the last man. Probably me getting confused though HaHa.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 23, 2022 15:35:24 GMT
Away from the penalty incidents, the identical gems for me was Harry Anderson closing their full back down in the left corner, early in the second half, hands up, gave him 2 yards, lad throws himself to the deck right in front of the Lino. Free kick Pompey. Seconds before Pompey given a penalty, Collins standing on the ball right on the halfway line/sideline on the right wing, lad goes right through the back of him. Pompey awarded a throw in. The theme of the entire afternoon right there. Didn't Pompey then win the penalty from the subsequent throw in?
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Post by bluegas on Aug 23, 2022 15:35:37 GMT
In which case why didn't Mr Ward reach for a card? He certainly displayed no sympathy for Rovers the whole of the game. Maybe because there was actual contact, even though Collins initiated it, he felt he could keep the card in his pocket? I don't know, but even though it sounds like he was in terrible in general I think he got this one right. Would you be disgruntled if it was the other way around and Pompey were awarded a pen for that? From what I saw, no. But then I'm looking at three players coming together. Delightful though they might be, I wasn't looking specifically at Collins's ankles. And I'm a Rovers fan.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 23, 2022 15:39:13 GMT
Exactly this Bideford. He was in front of their defence and pulling his left leg back to shoot. Don’t get this notion that he was pulling his leg back deliberately for the defender to trip him - sounds bizarre. Totally bizarre that in a fraction of a second a player can initiate the contact by a slight movement of his leg when he can't even see the oppositions player because he is right in front of him. There was clear contact on him and that alone warranted a penalty. I still can't see what benefit Collins would personally get from winning a penalty rather than having a shot on goal himself, as if he'd won the penalty I assume Marquis would have taken it. Saying it's like Piers "dive" is missing the point he was a world class player not a player who was playing in L2 last season.
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Post by It's a song on Aug 23, 2022 15:52:24 GMT
Totally bizarre that in a fraction of a second a player can initiate the contact by a slight movement of his leg when he can't even see the oppositions player because he is right in front of him. There was clear contact on him and that alone warranted a penalty. I still can't see what benefit Collins would personally get from winning a penalty rather than having a shot on goal himself, as if he'd won the penalty I assume Marquis would have taken it. Saying it's like Piers "dive" is missing the point he was a world class player not a player who was playing in L2 last season. Must be more chance of scoring a penalty than scoring from that angle with 2 players jostling you. I doubt he cares if he's taking the spot kick himself or not. Interesting point though, would Vardy dive so often if he wasn't taking the penalties himself?
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Post by dudelebowski on Aug 23, 2022 16:26:13 GMT
Away from the penalty incidents, the identical gems for me was Harry Anderson closing their full back down in the left corner, early in the second half, hands up, gave him 2 yards, lad throws himself to the deck right in front of the Lino. Free kick Pompey. Seconds before Pompey given a penalty, Collins standing on the ball right on the halfway line/sideline on the right wing, lad goes right through the back of him. Pompey awarded a throw in. The theme of the entire afternoon right there. Didn't Pompey then win the penalty from the subsequent throw in? That’s correct. Throw in back to the full back/keeper, launched forward & the penalty was ‘won’ from the rebound.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 23, 2022 16:29:04 GMT
Exactly the point. And if the homer ref did give us a penalty he would have to have sent their man iof because Collins was beyond the last man. I think it's clear Mr Ward was never going to do that. I thought they changed the rules on that, if you bring someone down outside the box and your the last man you get a red. However if the foul is a penalty they just get a yellow even if the last man. Probably me getting confused though HaHa. I thought the same as a few of my mates have said about the Burton guy who got sent off, in hindsight would have been better to give away a pen and stayed on the pitch
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Aug 23, 2022 16:39:35 GMT
If the Collins incident was on VAR would it have been given? Not doing anything that Vardy wouldn't do. I have lost count of the number of times I've thought 'stay on your feet' especially when he's through on goal People suggest decisions may go against us due to Barton - consciously or subconsciously - I wonder if the refs have a list of certain players to keep an eye on
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Post by It's a song on Aug 23, 2022 17:10:32 GMT
If the Collins incident was on VAR would it have been given? Not doing anything that Vardy wouldn't do. I have lost count of the number of times I've thought 'stay on your feet' especially when he's through on goal People suggest decisions may go against us due to Barton - consciously or subconsciously - I wonder if the refs have a list of certain players to keep an eye on Pretty sure VAR wouldn’t have given it, especially not this season. I really hope not anyway. If they are given players would be doing the same thing non stop. We know he goes down easy, so like you say I’m guessing the refs would too. They probably have a forum just like us
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Post by walter1147 on Aug 23, 2022 17:20:44 GMT
For those that are interested Thompson's injury is confirmed as a double leg break. The good news is that the breaks are "non weight bearing", whatever that means, and should be back before Christmas and not as bad as first thought.
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Post by bidefordgas on Aug 23, 2022 17:27:28 GMT
If the Collins incident was on VAR would it have been given? Not doing anything that Vardy wouldn't do. I have lost count of the number of times I've thought 'stay on your feet' especially when he's through on goal People suggest decisions may go against us due to Barton - consciously or subconsciously - I wonder if the refs have a list of certain players to keep an eye on If the refs "have a list", I think that definitely crosses the boundaries of the referees being impartial. If that was the case the official on Saturday has clearly gone a lot farther than that and all things Bristol Rovers are considered to be cheating. I still stand by my opinion that it was a clear penalty and see no reason why Collins would go down when right in front of the goal with only the keeper to beat. I can definitely see why their defender would make a sly contact though, hoping its not clear to the referee. After all he had been clearly beaten and had no chance of getting the ball, but every chance of tripping Collins up.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Aug 23, 2022 17:29:26 GMT
Totally bizarre that in a fraction of a second a player can initiate the contact by a slight movement of his leg when he can't even see the oppositions player because he is right in front of him. There was clear contact on him and that alone warranted a penalty. I still can't see what benefit Collins would personally get from winning a penalty rather than having a shot on goal himself, as if he'd won the penalty I assume Marquis would have taken it. Saying it's like Piers "dive" is missing the point he was a world class player not a player who was playing in L2 last season. Marquis was off the pitch by then so Evans or Collins would have taken it.
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