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Post by bidefordgas on Aug 30, 2022 21:47:05 GMT
Who do you want him to be accountable to? Hes the majority shareholder (90%ish) Samir (7%ish) and the SC (3%ish). So if he messes about its Wael that stands to lose the most, its his money. The SC now have independent fans representation to ensure the SC, along with the sharescheme and the wider fan base have a voice, albeit a small one and can report any skullduggery that may be going on. Hani well may be named on the account, but he isnt a shareholder, therefore, he has no influence on the clubs day to day running, he isnt a person with significant control and he isnt listed as a director. Why he is listed is a mystery (although I think this may be a clerical error) but again, it gives no reason for it to be a concern. The actions of the Al'Qadi family, certainly in recent years with Wael have been nothing short of honourable and generous and when you take an aerial view over the club, from both a commercial and footballing perspective, its the best it has ever been in our whole history. I'm afraid that is all based on nothing more than guess work given Dwane Sports as the ultimate controlling holding company is registered in Jersey where, guess what? They don't have to list those details publically. Many well respected auditors and football finance experts have tried to find out and all have failed. You need to do your homework, I think. Did you watch tonight's game? Oh hang on this is the wrong thread! Come to think about it what on earth are you doing questioning the integrity of our owners on a thread about the Shrewsbury manager!
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Post by gasheadmichal on Aug 30, 2022 21:56:01 GMT
Hehe. I think 3:0 to Rovers
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 30, 2022 22:05:53 GMT
Who do you want him to be accountable to? Hes the majority shareholder (90%ish) Samir (7%ish) and the SC (3%ish). So if he messes about its Wael that stands to lose the most, its his money. The SC now have independent fans representation to ensure the SC, along with the sharescheme and the wider fan base have a voice, albeit a small one and can report any skullduggery that may be going on. Hani well may be named on the account, but he isnt a shareholder, therefore, he has no influence on the clubs day to day running, he isnt a person with significant control and he isnt listed as a director. Why he is listed is a mystery (although I think this may be a clerical error) but again, it gives no reason for it to be a concern. The actions of the Al'Qadi family, certainly in recent years with Wael have been nothing short of honourable and generous and when you take an aerial view over the club, from both a commercial and footballing perspective, its the best it has ever been in our whole history. I'm afraid that is all based on nothing more than guess work given Dwane Sports as the ultimate controlling holding company is registered in Jersey where, guess what? They don't have to list those details publically. Many well respected auditors and football finance experts have tried to find out and all have failed. You need to do your homework, I think. Wael is listed on Companies House as holding in excess of 75% of the voting rights in 1883 Ltd. He's also stated that he has taken control of Dwane Sports with Sam Frost reporting that Wael owns 90% of Dwane Sports with Samir the other 10%. Which bits don't you believe? find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/04501223/filing-history
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 31, 2022 8:15:42 GMT
Who do you want him to be accountable to? Hes the majority shareholder (90%ish) Samir (7%ish) and the SC (3%ish). So if he messes about its Wael that stands to lose the most, its his money. The SC now have independent fans representation to ensure the SC, along with the sharescheme and the wider fan base have a voice, albeit a small one and can report any skullduggery that may be going on. Hani well may be named on the account, but he isnt a shareholder, therefore, he has no influence on the clubs day to day running, he isnt a person with significant control and he isnt listed as a director. Why he is listed is a mystery (although I think this may be a clerical error) but again, it gives no reason for it to be a concern. The actions of the Al'Qadi family, certainly in recent years with Wael have been nothing short of honourable and generous and when you take an aerial view over the club, from both a commercial and footballing perspective, its the best it has ever been in our whole history. Look, I don't want to be involved in any two footing of Wael or anyone else. If you think someone is doing him over you're more than entitled to say so. The club will clearly, clearly be as well off or better off commercially now than ever before. Because the product, lower league football, is a more valuable product now than ever. However, can I enquire how being lower mid table in League One is the best it's ever been? Did the early 90s, the mid 70s, or the 50s never happen? Do Huddersfield fans say that now is better than their heyday in the 20s despite them winning league titles back then?Love Wael and defend his every move should you wish, that's your right, but please engage with reality on occasion You miss my point entirely. I wasn't talking about past achievements or how we achieved them. I'm talking about the structure of the club. You cannot compare the 70's-90's to today. Professional football was much the same in the 90's as it was the 70's until the Premier League was created. However, eventually, that professionalism would filter down the football leagues along with promoted and relegated clubs and we were one of the last to jump on board with it. As a result we have bounced between L1 and L2 since the turn of the millenium. To get to the championship and stay there you need to be able to compete behind the scenes as well as on the pitch, and from that perspective we are the best we have ever been.
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Post by perryfenwick on Aug 31, 2022 9:13:54 GMT
Look, I don't want to be involved in any two footing of Wael or anyone else. If you think someone is doing him over you're more than entitled to say so. The club will clearly, clearly be as well off or better off commercially now than ever before. Because the product, lower league football, is a more valuable product now than ever. However, can I enquire how being lower mid table in League One is the best it's ever been? Did the early 90s, the mid 70s, or the 50s never happen? Do Huddersfield fans say that now is better than their heyday in the 20s despite them winning league titles back then?Love Wael and defend his every move should you wish, that's your right, but please engage with reality on occasion You miss my point entirely. I wasn't talking about past achievements or how we achieved them. I'm talking about the structure of the club. You cannot compare the 70's-90's to today. Professional football was much the same in the 90's as it was the 70's until the Premier League was created. However, eventually, that professionalism would filter down the football leagues along with promoted and relegated clubs and we were one of the last to jump on board with it. As a result we have bounced between L1 and L2 since the turn of the millenium. To get to the championship and stay there you need to be able to compete behind the scenes as well as on the pitch, and from that perspective we are the best we have ever been. I'm more than aware of the changes to the game, but if you're comparing us with our peer group, the idea that more equipped to compete than ever before isn't quite true. We have things now that, as you rightly state, we didn't have up to recently, things other clubs had sorted, from our own dedicated training facility to Barton's various analysts and sports science people. I absolutely agree that this will lead us closer to being able to take the next step. But, in those previous visits to the second tier, the 90s one excepted as it was short, we were clearly prepared to compete at that level, because we did so for a period of 7-8 years each time. So, are we further forward off the field than we were in recent times? Yes. Are we more prepared than ever? No, because we've played at that level in times gone by which proves that - at that time and by those standards - we were able to compete. In those days we also had a stadium that was fit for purpose. Eastville wouldn't serve a purpose now of course were it still standing but it serviced the needs of the club at the time. Unlike the Mem which does not service the needs of a club wanting to chase the second tier by modern standards. We can laud the investment of the owner into facilities and staffing and you'll see no argument from me that, off the field, he took over an amateur outfit from Higgs, and we got left behind, but for a long time before the boom in off field professionalism, sports science et al, we were as prepared as anyone. Blackburn won the Premier League training on a council pitch so up until the late 90s we were as prepared as we needed to be.
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Post by rusho'gas on Aug 31, 2022 9:23:28 GMT
Can we not just have one thread for these conspiracy theories over who owns what and the motives behind the finance of BRFC 1883 PLC and Dwaynes Sports (Jersey) PLC ?
That way we can actively choose to avoid such nonsense............
Perhaps Wael or un-Wael as a title sums it up !
How could a thread on an ex Sh**head manager turn into this ? Answers on a postcard.......
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Post by bidefordgas on Aug 31, 2022 9:34:32 GMT
Can we not just have one thread for these conspiracy theories over who owns what and the motives behind the finance of BRFC 1883 PLC and Dwaynes Sports (Jersey) PLC ? That way we can actively choose to avoid such nonsense............ Perhaps Wael or un-Wael as a title sums it up ! How could a thread on an ex Sh**head manager turn into this ? Answers on a postcard....... In answer to your last question. Because it suits the agenda of the anti owner/ Barton posters to do so. They are not interested in the football side of things and in a lot of cases seem to be carrying large chips on their shoulders from years gone by.
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 31, 2022 13:16:11 GMT
You miss my point entirely. I wasn't talking about past achievements or how we achieved them. I'm talking about the structure of the club. You cannot compare the 70's-90's to today. Professional football was much the same in the 90's as it was the 70's until the Premier League was created. However, eventually, that professionalism would filter down the football leagues along with promoted and relegated clubs and we were one of the last to jump on board with it. As a result we have bounced between L1 and L2 since the turn of the millenium. To get to the championship and stay there you need to be able to compete behind the scenes as well as on the pitch, and from that perspective we are the best we have ever been. I'm more than aware of the changes to the game, but if you're comparing us with our peer group, the idea that more equipped to compete than ever before isn't quite true. We have things now that, as you rightly state, we didn't have up to recently, things other clubs had sorted, from our own dedicated training facility to Barton's various analysts and sports science people. I absolutely agree that this will lead us closer to being able to take the next step. But, in those previous visits to the second tier, the 90s one excepted as it was short, we were clearly prepared to compete at that level, because we did so for a period of 7-8 years each time. So, are we further forward off the field than we were in recent times? Yes. Are we more prepared than ever? No, because we've played at that level in times gone by which proves that - at that time and by those standards - we were able to compete. In those days we also had a stadium that was fit for purpose. Eastville wouldn't serve a purpose now of course were it still standing but it serviced the needs of the club at the time. Unlike the Mem which does not service the needs of a club wanting to chase the second tier by modern standards. We can laud the investment of the owner into facilities and staffing and you'll see no argument from me that, off the field, he took over an amateur outfit from Higgs, and we got left behind, but for a long time before the boom in off field professionalism, sports science et al, we were as prepared as anyone. Blackburn won the Premier League training on a council pitch so up until the late 90s we were as prepared as we needed to be. Your peer group definately extends greater than mine. I started watching Rovers in 1991/92 when we were in the Championship and to an extent, we were level par with some of the clubs in that division then, so we could rightly say we were at our level. However as the years ticked by our level became L1 and then L2 with the occasional flirtation with L1. And this is why we need to put past glories, managers and ownerships behind us now because they are all pretty much irrelevant to the modern game. Yes it’s lovely to remember the halcyon years of successes but they get you no extra points every year. If we went to the Champ in the same year as Yeovil did, we would have come down the same year as Yeovil did. Wycombe have achieved the champ, but lasted only one year as they cannot compete off the field let alone on it. If we got to the championship this year, we would certainly have equal metrics with the likes of Luton, Rotherham and Wigan off the field, with only the stadium being a difference. That though would still give us a much better chance of staying the division than when Yeovil got there or even when Wycombe got there. Just one point, the last time we were in the Championship was at Twerton, which was definately not fit for purpose.
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 31, 2022 13:17:28 GMT
Who do you want him to be accountable to? Hes the majority shareholder (90%ish) Samir (7%ish) and the SC (3%ish). So if he messes about its Wael that stands to lose the most, its his money. The SC now have independent fans representation to ensure the SC, along with the sharescheme and the wider fan base have a voice, albeit a small one and can report any skullduggery that may be going on. Hani well may be named on the account, but he isnt a shareholder, therefore, he has no influence on the clubs day to day running, he isnt a person with significant control and he isnt listed as a director. Why he is listed is a mystery (although I think this may be a clerical error) but again, it gives no reason for it to be a concern. The actions of the Al'Qadi family, certainly in recent years with Wael have been nothing short of honourable and generous and when you take an aerial view over the club, from both a commercial and footballing perspective, its the best it has ever been in our whole history. I'm afraid that is all based on nothing more than guess work given Dwane Sports as the ultimate controlling holding company is registered in Jersey where, guess what? They don't have to list those details publically. Many well respected auditors and football finance experts have tried to find out and all have failed. You need to do your homework, I think. The holding company is the umbrella, the same as what Bristol Sport is to BCFC. The football club is still its own company under that umbrella where Hani is not listed as a person with significant control, a director or a shareholder. So why go to the legths of removing himself from these companies only to stay as a shareholder of DS? It doesnt make any sense and I dont understand the clamour to mean there is anything sinister going on. Especially when Wael has stated he is the majority owner, more than once.
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Post by toggsy2 on Aug 31, 2022 15:45:38 GMT
Let's face it until Wael delivers the new stadium he's always going to be criticised regardless haters will alway hate that's just the sad fact of modern football ownership these days. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will the future of Bristol Rovers let's be thankful for what we have those with short memories forget players were training on pitches full of fox Sh1t
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Post by rememberhalifax on Aug 31, 2022 16:01:12 GMT
Anyone remember what this thread is supposed to be about?
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Post by bambergashead on Aug 31, 2022 16:12:13 GMT
Anyone remember what this thread is supposed to be about? Something along the lines of what goes around... comes around I think.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 31, 2022 16:19:26 GMT
I heard Cotterill is interviewing new players at the local swimming baths
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Post by matealotblue on Aug 31, 2022 16:21:09 GMT
I heard Cotterill is interviewing new players at the local swimming baths More likely to be at RADA ……
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Post by playtowin on Aug 31, 2022 16:30:49 GMT
As a club ,when has the club owned both a stadium and training ground ?
On the pitch the 50s were the heyday. As were the home crowds.
The highest numbers of Rovers fans to attend a Rovers game. That will be one of the wembley finals all pre Wael i believe.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 31, 2022 17:42:54 GMT
I heard Cotterill is interviewing new players at the local swimming baths More likely to be at RADA …… That's far too high brow for Steve
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Post by toggsy2 on Aug 31, 2022 17:47:40 GMT
I heard Cotterill is interviewing new players at the local swimming baths Was he's scouting Tom Daley 🤔
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 31, 2022 17:50:19 GMT
I heard Cotterill is interviewing new players at the local swimming baths Was he's scouting Tom Daley 🤔 he should be with the tactics he employs
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Post by eric on Aug 31, 2022 18:18:14 GMT
Was he's scouting Tom Daley 🤔 he should be with the tactics he employs The diving of Tom Daley and the skullduggery of Arthur Daley.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 31, 2022 23:10:39 GMT
FWIW: Having just got back from the football tonight 2 points to make. 1. Are we not allowed to have a different opinion or ask questions about Wael? We’ve had a couple of posters who’ve come on and disagreed with many others. I hope we don’t get to a position where we don’t accept alternative views. I love many of the things Wael has done but the elephant in the room is the stadium (or rather no stadium). I would hope the debacle of tickets/capacity etc during the start of this season has given Wael and the board a large reminder that we need some progress in this area quickly if we aren’t going to remain in the League 1/League 2 cycle for the foreseeable future. This isn’t the thread obviously for this but I hope that those with alternative views aren’t shouted down or classified as “Barton-haters”.
2. Having watched the Shrewsbury match and driven home totally frustrated by the antics of Cotterill and his team I’ve had a shorter journey tonight after the AFCB v Wolves match but had the same frustrations. Wolves did exactly the same as Shrewsbury. They slowed the game down and on three occasions when AFCB had the ball and were attacking a Wolves player went down and the ref stopped play. They weren’t head injuries. Again they were the better team and I think slowing the game down at certain points wasn’t needed and it probably stopped them winning. But throughout the game the referee, tonight Anthony Taylor, wasn’t bothered about stopping the game or the time-wearing and he ignored pulls, pushes, players who stood in front of free kicks and most low level stuff. So perhaps referees have had some kind of directive to say something about not bothering with time wasting tactics and just add time on at the end. I don’t know but to have seen two matches in a week where the away team played well but seem determined to time waste was frustrating and we still haven’t reached September. I’ve just watched MOTD and it’s not even noticeable obviously, and not even mentioned which makes me that no one gives a monkey’s about time wasting in reality (Not that MOTD is a measure of that.) I don’t think anyone apart from fans cares about time-wasting, not teams because they all know they do it, not managers because they know the other team may have just done it better than them, not pundits, not refs. And fans only care if they are on the losing side. If they win they just call it “professionalism” or “game-management”. Hey ho!
UTG!
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