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Post by allgasandgaiters on Oct 5, 2022 9:02:06 GMT
www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/joey-barton-shares-disdain-efl-7665215A rant from Joey Barton that I actually agree with... Joey Barton has blasted the EFL Trophy as a " nonsense competition" after Bristol Rovers' 2-0 win over Crystal Palace under-21s on Tuesday, saying " the sooner we're out of it, the better". "I thought they (Crystal Palace) were what the problem is in the modern game, an academy side that are miles away from producing people who can play in the league," he said. "They’re so far away, let’s be honest, so it kind of makes a mockery for me of what that Premier League 2 is.
"You hear me talk all the time about these big clubs stockpiling players and what player for them today… We wouldn’t take any of their players, we just wouldn’t, they're so far away. It’s a good opportunity for us to look at that because we do like to utilise the loan market but I was so surprised to see them.
"It’s easy for them because their games don’t matter. Their games are irrelevant and nobody cares about them, but we’ve got a proper game on Saturday when mortgages are on the line, real football, real men’s football. So to have a team of kids go out and leave late challenges on you is bizarre. The competition is about developing younger players."
"We don’t really want to play in this competition, I’ll level with you," Barton continued. "It’s a waste of our time because we get players suspended, you get players injured from nonsense tackles from young kids who are miles off playing men’s footy. I just don’t see why we should support it.
"Next game, I may well just play our kids because I can’t risk my first-team players getting injured against a bunch of kids who are miles off the level and trying to impress people who are watching by kicking senior players. It’s a nonsense competition.
"Who cares about it? It’s a nonsense competition, and when it’s officiated in that fashion it makes me even further devalue the competition. I’ve tried to support it in all my time but when I get officials like that who are basically on work experience sending my players off that don’t deserve to be sent off and all the while allowing young players to steam in and make stupid tackles and don’t book them or reprimand them because they’re young players, it’s a nonsense.
"We don’t take it seriously, so I said to the lads tonight go out and enjoy it because the opposition are inferior because they are a bunch of kids. If you take their teamsheet and look at it in five years’ time, some of those lads will be working in civilian jobs. They won’t be playing football. Youth teams are usually geared around the development of one or two players, so I get why the EFL have put the competition in, but you can see from my point of view, if I lose any real senior players, we’ve got a proper game at the weekend and real football to come."
"You try to do the right thing because if we don’t fulfil the quotas, we get fined and all the other nonsense that comes down the track, but you can see from our standpoint we’ve got a duty of care to fulfil our league campaign and play the best team we can on a Saturday in the league. Having this nonsense of a competition in the middle of it, when players can be injured and suspended now, it just makes me question it."
"Who is the competition for? Is it for Crystal Palace? Yeah, I think so. Is it for the referees and officials to gain experience? Yeah. It isn’t for senior players and senior teams, it’s just a deterrent to us. The sooner we’re out of it the better and I’m going to go forward carrying absolute disdain for the competition when referees officiate it like that." I do agree with every word - but could JB be in trouble with the EFL for this? I don't think he SHOULD but perhaps he COULD be?
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Post by playtowin on Oct 5, 2022 9:05:57 GMT
It was nice to see Westbrooke put in a good performance . Hopefully might spur him on to be a better player this season.
Over all, efficient performance . Didnt look in any danger of dropping points.
Palace guy who fouled Clarke should have been double red carded ! Violent conduct and terrible foul.
Joe ralks about not being interested in the comp due to under 21 sides...which i agree with. But. That might be the last u21 team we face . So might as well try to qualify now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2022 9:08:08 GMT
www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/joey-barton-shares-disdain-efl-7665215A rant from Joey Barton that I actually agree with... Joey Barton has blasted the EFL Trophy as a " nonsense competition" after Bristol Rovers' 2-0 win over Crystal Palace under-21s on Tuesday, saying " the sooner we're out of it, the better". "I thought they (Crystal Palace) were what the problem is in the modern game, an academy side that are miles away from producing people who can play in the league," he said. "They’re so far away, let’s be honest, so it kind of makes a mockery for me of what that Premier League 2 is.
"You hear me talk all the time about these big clubs stockpiling players and what player for them today… We wouldn’t take any of their players, we just wouldn’t, they're so far away. It’s a good opportunity for us to look at that because we do like to utilise the loan market but I was so surprised to see them.
"It’s easy for them because their games don’t matter. Their games are irrelevant and nobody cares about them, but we’ve got a proper game on Saturday when mortgages are on the line, real football, real men’s football. So to have a team of kids go out and leave late challenges on you is bizarre. The competition is about developing younger players."
"We don’t really want to play in this competition, I’ll level with you," Barton continued. "It’s a waste of our time because we get players suspended, you get players injured from nonsense tackles from young kids who are miles off playing men’s footy. I just don’t see why we should support it.
"Next game, I may well just play our kids because I can’t risk my first-team players getting injured against a bunch of kids who are miles off the level and trying to impress people who are watching by kicking senior players. It’s a nonsense competition.
"Who cares about it? It’s a nonsense competition, and when it’s officiated in that fashion it makes me even further devalue the competition. I’ve tried to support it in all my time but when I get officials like that who are basically on work experience sending my players off that don’t deserve to be sent off and all the while allowing young players to steam in and make stupid tackles and don’t book them or reprimand them because they’re young players, it’s a nonsense.
"We don’t take it seriously, so I said to the lads tonight go out and enjoy it because the opposition are inferior because they are a bunch of kids. If you take their teamsheet and look at it in five years’ time, some of those lads will be working in civilian jobs. They won’t be playing football. Youth teams are usually geared around the development of one or two players, so I get why the EFL have put the competition in, but you can see from my point of view, if I lose any real senior players, we’ve got a proper game at the weekend and real football to come."
"You try to do the right thing because if we don’t fulfil the quotas, we get fined and all the other nonsense that comes down the track, but you can see from our standpoint we’ve got a duty of care to fulfil our league campaign and play the best team we can on a Saturday in the league. Having this nonsense of a competition in the middle of it, when players can be injured and suspended now, it just makes me question it."
"Who is the competition for? Is it for Crystal Palace? Yeah, I think so. Is it for the referees and officials to gain experience? Yeah. It isn’t for senior players and senior teams, it’s just a deterrent to us. The sooner we’re out of it the better and I’m going to go forward carrying absolute disdain for the competition when referees officiate it like that." I'm with you, and agree with pretty much everything has has said. One thing that worries me, If we wouldn't take any of a Premier Leagues academy players with all the resources and cash they have to throw around, where does that leave the standard of our academy.
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Post by pucklegas on Oct 5, 2022 9:10:55 GMT
I usually watch on ifollow. Been watching the Palace Academy documentary series, so will be interested to see if any of those lads feature, and how they measure up. For us, I hope that a few players can get some minutes in their legs, without picking up any injuries TT did you recognise the head man at the Palace academy? Rob Quinn our ex midfielder, who I remember scoring away at Bury and doing the Lynx advert celebration.
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Post by straighouttabristol on Oct 5, 2022 9:57:56 GMT
I usually watch on ifollow. Been watching the Palace Academy documentary series, so will be interested to see if any of those lads feature, and how they measure up. For us, I hope that a few players can get some minutes in their legs, without picking up any injuries TT did you recognise the head man at the Palace academy? Rob Quinn our ex midfielder, who I remember scoring away at Bury and doing the Lynx advert celebration. Thought that was him, one the worse players I’ve seen at rovers
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Post by Captain Jayho on Oct 5, 2022 10:31:43 GMT
I dunno, but I'm starting to get the impression that Joey thinks this competition is a nonsense. Not sure why.
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Post by wertongas on Oct 5, 2022 11:09:38 GMT
Tin pot competition, tin pot opposition. in the past petulant teenagers like those playing in the palace team got a click round the earhole when they misbehaved, I don't blame JB getting cross, having to field players for a competition with little importance that now means he may have less players to choose from for Saturday. Glen Whelan and JB have played for their country some of these kids may never even play a league game.
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Post by sodburygas on Oct 5, 2022 11:14:11 GMT
So what was the official 🛎 end attendance? Shame on all of u. And the lazy chop I follow crowd I hate you all 2. Went to the game last night. Why does that make me a bellend?
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Post by pepsi on Oct 5, 2022 11:30:36 GMT
Anyone know the official attendance for last night ??
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Post by wertongas on Oct 5, 2022 11:53:09 GMT
So what was the official 🛎 end attendance? Shame on all of u. And the lazy chop I follow crowd I hate you all 2. Went to the game last night. Why does that make me a bellend? You are not no Gashead is a bellend unless they do something really stupid, I don't like the word hate either, football is a sport not a hate thing.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Oct 5, 2022 12:20:22 GMT
Tin pot competition, tin pot opposition. in the past petulant teenagers like those playing in the palace team got a click round the earhole when they misbehaved, I don't blame JB getting cross, having to field players for a competition with little importance that now means he may have less players to choose from for Saturday. Glen Whelan and JB have played for their country some of these kids may never even play a league game. This competition has been ruined. It used to be a chance to play fringe players, and nobody minded if we went out in the early stages, however, once you got a sniff of Wembley it became exciting! From watching the Palace Academy documentary, you could see that some of the youngsters have "attitude" - I think this is a generational thing, there is a sense of entitlement these days with some youngsters (not just Palace, every club will have it). I remember the late Ray Wilkins talking about how the old Combination League helped young players to prepare for playing in the first team. These reserve games often included older, experienced heads who were returning from injury, or not currently in the first team. Besides giving the opportunity to learn whilst playing alongside experienced heads, he said that playing against them also gave youngsters a taste of how hard men's football would be - people like Norman Hunter took no prisoners! He was advocating a return of this system, as youngsters v youngsters is not the reality of professional football.
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Post by pirate on Oct 5, 2022 12:27:58 GMT
Tin pot competition, tin pot opposition. in the past petulant teenagers like those playing in the palace team got a click round the earhole when they misbehaved, I don't blame JB getting cross, having to field players for a competition with little importance that now means he may have less players to choose from for Saturday. Glen Whelan and JB have played for their country some of these kids may never even play a league game. This competition has been ruined. It used to be a chance to play fringe players, and nobody minded if we went out in the early stages, however, once you got a sniff of Wembley it became exciting! From watching the Palace Academy documentary, you could see that some of the youngsters have "attitude" - I think this is a generational thing, there is a sense of entitlement these days with some youngsters (not just Palace, every club will have it). I remember the late Ray Wilkins talking about how the old Combination League helped young players to prepare for playing in the first team. These reserve games often included older, experienced heads who were returning from injury, or not currently in the first team. Besides giving the opportunity to learn whilst playing alongside experienced heads, he said that playing against them also gave youngsters a taste of how hard men's football would be - people like Norman Hunter took no prisoners! He was advocating a return of this system, as youngsters v youngsters is not the reality of professional football. Man Utd have hired Tom Huddlestone in a player/coach capacity for their U21's to help guide them.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Oct 5, 2022 12:39:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2022 12:39:41 GMT
TT did you recognise the head man at the Palace academy? Rob Quinn our ex midfielder, who I remember scoring away at Bury and doing the Lynx advert celebration. Thought that was him, one the worse players I’ve seen at rovers The whole problem with Quinny and the squad at that time was the man who was meant to have been motivating them but instead destroyed every bit of confidence they were born with. Not surprised that Quinny and others from that squad have gone on to coach at both Championship and Premier League levels, they weren't as bad as we thought.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Oct 5, 2022 12:39:57 GMT
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Post by seanclevedongas on Oct 5, 2022 12:40:44 GMT
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Post by wertongas on Oct 5, 2022 12:50:47 GMT
Tin pot competition, tin pot opposition. in the past petulant teenagers like those playing in the palace team got a click round the earhole when they misbehaved, I don't blame JB getting cross, having to field players for a competition with little importance that now means he may have less players to choose from for Saturday. Glen Whelan and JB have played for their country some of these kids may never even play a league game. This competition has been ruined. It used to be a chance to play fringe players, and nobody minded if we went out in the early stages, however, once you got a sniff of Wembley it became exciting! From watching the Palace Academy documentary, you could see that some of the youngsters have "attitude" - I think this is a generational thing, there is a sense of entitlement these days with some youngsters (not just Palace, every club will have it). I remember the late Ray Wilkins talking about how the old Combination League helped young players to prepare for playing in the first team. These reserve games often included older, experienced heads who were returning from injury, or not currently in the first team. Besides giving the opportunity to learn whilst playing alongside experienced heads, he said that playing against them also gave youngsters a taste of how hard men's football would be - people like Norman Hunter took no prisoners! He was advocating a return of this system, as youngsters v youngsters is not the reality of professional football. Perhaps the answer is to bring back the old combination leagues which were good because reserve teams played against teams from different levels, so Rovers reserves got to play against players that played at the highest level from time to time.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Oct 5, 2022 13:11:33 GMT
This competition has been ruined. It used to be a chance to play fringe players, and nobody minded if we went out in the early stages, however, once you got a sniff of Wembley it became exciting! From watching the Palace Academy documentary, you could see that some of the youngsters have "attitude" - I think this is a generational thing, there is a sense of entitlement these days with some youngsters (not just Palace, every club will have it). I remember the late Ray Wilkins talking about how the old Combination League helped young players to prepare for playing in the first team. These reserve games often included older, experienced heads who were returning from injury, or not currently in the first team. Besides giving the opportunity to learn whilst playing alongside experienced heads, he said that playing against them also gave youngsters a taste of how hard men's football would be - people like Norman Hunter took no prisoners! He was advocating a return of this system, as youngsters v youngsters is not the reality of professional football. Perhaps the answer is to bring back the old combination leagues which were good because reserve teams played against teams from different levels, so Rovers reserves got to play against players that played at the highest level from time to time. We used to love going to the Combination games, an opportunity to see some bigs names from the old First Division, as well as run the eye over our reserves. As with a lot of things, it was destroyed by the Premier League - in 2006 they voted that only the top 20 teams could compete in it, and it died a death in 2011.
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Post by meadgas on Oct 5, 2022 13:23:35 GMT
Perhaps the answer is to bring back the old combination leagues which were good because reserve teams played against teams from different levels, so Rovers reserves got to play against players that played at the highest level from time to time. We used to love going to the Combination games, an opportunity to see some bigs names from the old First Division, as well as run the eye over our reserves. As with a lot of things, it was destroyed by the Premier League - in 2006 they voted that only the top 20 teams could compete in it, and it died a death in 2011. Like myself a lot of younger fans started off watching the reserve games before being took to watch the first team.
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Post by keygas on Oct 5, 2022 13:44:08 GMT
We used to love going to the Combination games, an opportunity to see some bigs names from the old First Division, as well as run the eye over our reserves. As with a lot of things, it was destroyed by the Premier League - in 2006 they voted that only the top 20 teams could compete in it, and it died a death in 2011. Like myself a lot of younger fans started off watching the reserve games before being took to watch the first team. Remember taking one of my sons friends with us who was a about 13 years old at the time & had never been to a football match, to a Rovers reserves game against Arsenal reserves at Yate Town & from then on he was hooked & glad to say 25 years on he’s been a season ticket holder for years & attends the majority of our away games. Such a shame when the football combination competition came to an end, but that’s the premiership & money for you.
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