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Post by Gassy on Oct 29, 2022 19:58:49 GMT
Only tuned in the 2nd half but how much have Derby paid this referee? [br Here we go again.rovers lose so officials to blame Haven't blamed anyone, we weren't good enough today. I made a comment about the referee at the time.. but hell, I guess I can't give my opinion on a forum, eh?
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Oct 29, 2022 21:27:33 GMT
[br Here we go again.rovers lose so officials to blame Haven't blamed anyone, we weren't good enough today. I made a comment about the referee at the time.. but hell, I guess I can't give my opinion on a forum, eh? you are right Gassy. Ref did not give us much especially in the first half
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Post by aforce on Oct 29, 2022 22:15:49 GMT
Coburn gets his shirt ripped off him every week and the officials never spot it, it’s remarkable really
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Post by fintanstack on Oct 30, 2022 7:18:36 GMT
Good crowd for League 1 but any group of fans that need a drum lose all my respect.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2022 8:02:08 GMT
The most disappointing aspect of yesterday was that derby didn’t have to work hard for their goals, we gifted them all with our mistakes.
Before the game our little group were very concerned about the inclusion of Hoole and the fact that Loft was missing and both were big factors in the defeat.
For the first Gibbons makes the mistake and doesn’t get enough on the pass and on another day they don’t score, but that’s the difference in this league where there are strikers with the quality to punish you. To be fair to him I didn’t think he hid after that and that one mistake aside was solid all game. Mistakes happen, I suppose we have to accept that and move on, but the main issue for me in the defence was how weak the left hand side was. I’ve noticed that teams will target Gordon. Darren Moore said it in his post match interview in the week and yesterday Derby did the same. The added bonus for them was that they also had Hoole on that side too. They both got bullied all game. They had 2 strong strikers in Collins and Mcgoldrick, so I don’t understand why we didn’t start Kilgour to give us more strength or even just give Connolly and hour from the start or given how the game was panning out swap Hoole over with Thomas.
Hoole was like a rabbit in headlights and looked shot of confidence, the defenders must be told to try and play when they can, but with the fourth Hoole could have just gone long up the pitch so we can just turn them around. Instead he plays Thomas into trouble. For the third I think he was the one out muscled when he got too tight.
But even so I felt that they weren’t great at the back and our pace with Collins could cause them problems. Call me stupid but I didn’t think we were out of the game even at half time.
But Loft was a big miss, he’s the focal point for how we play because of his hold up play. Coburn hasn’t quite got the strength yet and the ball kept coming back at us. Also the midfield wasn’t as effective as Wednesday either, everything rossiter and Finlay seemed to do was across our back 4 which just didn’t hurt them at all.
Maybe Wednesday too more out of us than we thought? But for me mistakes can be taken out of the game but it’s going to take time to rectify 2 defenders (Hoole and Gordon) who don’t look strong enough or nasty enough yet for this league, that will only come with experience.
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Post by Gasshole on Oct 30, 2022 8:13:37 GMT
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Post by Marshy on Oct 30, 2022 8:37:59 GMT
My record wasn’t that great actually. 6 games 3 - 2 -1 Ted Rogers Win rate 50% Draw 33.33% Lose 16.66% Sack the bored! UTG.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 30, 2022 9:21:56 GMT
The most disappointing aspect of yesterday was that derby didn’t have to work hard for their goals, we gifted them all with our mistakes. Before the game our little group were very concerned about the inclusion of Hoole and the fact that Loft was missing and both were big factors in the defeat. For the first Gibbons makes the mistake and doesn’t get enough on the pass and on another day they don’t score, but that’s the difference in this league where there are strikers with the quality to punish you. To be fair to him I didn’t think he hid after that and that one mistake aside was solid all game. Mistakes happen, I suppose we have to accept that and move on, but the main issue for me in the defence was how weak the left hand side was. I’ve noticed that teams will target Gordon. Darren Moore said it in his post match interview in the week and yesterday Derby did the same. The added bonus for them was that they also had Hoole on that side too. They both got bullied all game. They had 2 strong strikers in Collins and Mcgoldrick, so I don’t understand why we didn’t start Kilgour to give us more strength or even just give Connolly and hour from the start or given how the game was panning out swap Hoole over with Thomas. Hoole was like a rabbit in headlights and looked shot of confidence, the defenders must be told to try and play when they can, but with the fourth Hoole could have just gone long up the pitch so we can just turn them around. Instead he plays Thomas into trouble. For the third I think he was the one out muscled when he got too tight. But even so I felt that they weren’t great at the back and our pace with Collins could cause them problems. Call me stupid but I didn’t think we were out of the game even at half time. But Loft was a big miss, he’s the focal point for how we play because of his hold up play. Coburn hasn’t quite got the strength yet and the ball kept coming back at us. Also the midfield wasn’t as effective as Wednesday either, everything rossiter and Finlay seemed to do was across our back 4 which just didn’t hurt them at all. Maybe Wednesday too more out of us than we thought? But for me mistakes can be taken out of the game but it’s going to take time to rectify 2 defenders (Hoole and Gordon) who don’t look strong enough or nasty enough yet for this league, that will only come with experience. Gordon's done OK in recent games, apart from hesitating for Wednesday's goal, playing Hoole, a tight sided defender, was the big issue but like the gamble v Lincoln Barton probably had no choice. On a positive Loft's Rovers career has had an amazing turnaround in a few months when we're now saying his absence is a big loss in League 1!
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 30, 2022 10:33:41 GMT
Just got back...
Phewww what an amazing away day!? All except pitch activities.
What a kind thought of British Rail / police to keep everyone kettled on platform 1 with hour delay to allow train back to Bris to be crammed like sardines until Brum? ... And on the packed train, someone farted amongst that lot too. A lady of age later protested she'd call the police because of singing hourds of rude football fans singing loudly..... which is her perfect right, but all I saw and heard was genuine empathy for anyone trying to get off because they couldn't get to their stowed luggage.
Amazing following, we pretty much sang throughout even though we knew we were well beat before half time. Yes, they made some noise too, but it was a few times a football library.
Hey for me JAB didn't throw the match, but his reactions were too slow to deal with the problems on the pitch with his unusual starting lineup.
I think we've come such a long way this calender year, sometimes we need to take stop and breathe.... Plymouth Sheffield and Derby was always going to be a big ask, but our tactics and tired staff imploded here .
First of all, Beefy would usually have been first choice cb, but after hoole had a horrid start, he should have been replaced in position. They targeted our weaknesses and fully exploited them.
Second of all, it was always going to be difficult to maintain our high energy triangle passing on the 3rd match in 7 days against high level opponents, there should have been a contingency, and the team leaving the pitch was stronger than the team starting it....but by then, the match was long gone. For me, we needed more midfield support and the idea of 442 would have more effect.
Third of all, our wb and width were not performing, Flash got round of applause one week but poor yesterday. Gibbons got caught a few times and didn't get forward enough - credit to Derby, they pressed onto us - but we had no answer.
Fourth, BT turned hero to zero by scoring to give hope, but then being caught in possession a few mins later.
Defence poor. No support from JAB.
Finley won the ball a few times, but just as much lost possession and played some hospital balls. Rossiter tried and tried, I like him. McCormick anonymous. Evans scored a pen again, all he does is score and assist! 🤭 Coburn looked class where they struggled to contain him but too often he was on his own trying to hold up play.
Lastly I was stood (as few were sat) next to fella whom constantly shouted out when we were in possession being challenged: "go down!" ...well, maybe he's watched too much Rocky films or has a submissive partner, but either way it's an interesting outlook and shows we are all different.
Thank flip we are.
Summary.... great away day from start to finish (thank you again to Jane Dough on Choo Choo whom 365/1 blew me away, you know whom you are!?) but hell of respect because we tried and tried and put so much effort in, but on the day were beaten by ourselves making mistakes and by a better team.
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Post by Quarters on Oct 30, 2022 10:43:36 GMT
Gordon blamed last week for not stepping forward to make a challenge, this week Hoole blamed for stepping forward to make a challenge.
So easy from an armchair.
Why no questions about us not changing something early on to counter McGoldrick? He kept dropping into space between defenders and midfield and controlling their attacks.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 30, 2022 10:47:50 GMT
Even though we lost I was quite encouraged. We went away to a big club , scored a couple of goals and created other chances . We had the majority of the possession which would never of happened before JB and this set of payers came in . Yes there was calamitous defending but as a team we’ve come on leaps and bounds in the last 18 months . Always looking to go forward and create opportunities, always giving 100% effort . Beaten on the day but not overawed .
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Post by yategasman on Oct 30, 2022 11:00:14 GMT
We mustn’t be too bothered by this defeat clearly a one off due to individual errors at the back JB will sort that out. Looking forward to Derby coming to the Mem so we can turn them over!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2022 11:02:47 GMT
I think second half we didn’t get enough support from the full backs which is strange when we should have been pushing to get back into the game. Evans and macca didn’t do enough to give us any width or support to the front lads either. I think we’re going to see more teams go long down our left hand side, at least when beefy and Clarke came on they finally started to win headers and challenges.
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Post by Big Jock on Oct 30, 2022 11:04:29 GMT
Enjoy yer Sunday troops, we’ve come a long way an with a fully fit squad who knows what this team an manager can achieve. This past week has probably been as tough a week as yer gonna get. Th best thing is this team, never give up an alwaes give their all 💪🏼
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Post by dudelebowski on Oct 30, 2022 11:07:20 GMT
Farcical scenes on those platforms with hundreds waiting inside and outside the station after multiple cancellations and delays. ‘Mr Booze express’ did a roaring trade right outside mind!
Hell of a day bar the result as always.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Oct 30, 2022 11:09:03 GMT
Yep,not down and looking at the positions Scunthorpe and Torquay are now in at the bottom of the National League,I am grateful for our current position.
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Post by keygas on Oct 30, 2022 11:38:37 GMT
Great gas away day apart from the result, our early season defensive problems resurfaced again & when the opposition have got quality strikers like McGoldrick & James Collins you know your in trouble. There was still a couple of positives to take out from yesterday, James Connelly’s return from injury for the second half & Scott Sinclair showed his quality when he came on, I’am sure he’s going to be a great asset for us. We’ve still got Loft, Coutts , Gibson , Anderson & Marquis to return from their respective injuries so plenty of reasons to be hopeful for the remainder of the season. Utg.
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Post by bluebiro on Oct 30, 2022 11:49:11 GMT
I think second half we didn’t get enough support from the full backs which is strange when we should have been pushing to get back into the game. Evans and macca didn’t do enough to give us any width or support to the front lads either. I think we’re going to see more teams go long down our left hand side, at least when beefy and Clarke came on they finally started to win headers and challenges. this is our weakness at left back. Gordon ok going forward but hasn't the physical presence and doesn't like a 50 50 challenge.january window is the area that needs looking at first
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Post by padstow on Oct 30, 2022 13:45:30 GMT
Not getting much from ref Agree and how was McGoldrick only given a yellow when he was clearly out of control with that challenge on Clarke. Same reason that loft wasn't given one for his challenge on plymouth player last week
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Post by padstow on Oct 30, 2022 13:52:00 GMT
[br Here we go again.rovers lose so officials to blame Haven't blamed anyone, we weren't good enough today. I made a comment about the referee at the time.. but hell, I guess I can't give my opinion on a forum, eh? No one is saying you can't pass an opinion but the constant blaming of officials by many on here is getting boring.the officials don't misplace passes or miss tackles or even give away goals.that is down to the players and if they are not good enough it's down to the manager and his recruitment team. Let's face it blaming officials is an easy cop out for not facing the truth
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