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Post by Goose on Dec 30, 2022 8:55:29 GMT
Yes last night shouldn't have happened from recovering to lead, yes we are defensively vulnerable at but moment...
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At least we are scoring and creating chances.
The defence I'm sure will be addressed in the upcoming window.
We are seriously good going forward.
Crowds are still up.
I'm sure asked at the start of the season and following our start until October, we would have all taken 4 points off of the play offs at this stage.
Our following fixtures are against
Cheltenham
Cambridge
Accy
Wycombe
Morecambe
MK Dons
Lincoln
And we have to be positive and think at least 5 are winnable and should be targeting 15+ points.
If we can get rid of the dead wood in the window and maybe get Taylor in... All will be looking up.
UTG
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Post by kampucheagas on Dec 30, 2022 9:41:54 GMT
Yes last night shouldn't have happened from recovering to lead, yes we are defensively vulnerable at but moment... But At least we are scoring and creating chances. The defence I'm sure will be addressed in the upcoming window. We are seriously good going forward. Crowds are still up. I'm sure asked at the start of the season and following our start until October, we would have all taken 4 points off of the play offs at this stage. Our following fixtures are against Cheltenham Cambridge Accy Wycombe Morecambe MK Dons Lincoln And we have to be positive and think at least 5 are winnable and should be targeting 15+ points. If we can get rid of the dead wood in the window and maybe get Taylor in... All will be looking up. UTG For me it’s time for Barton to organise us to be more defensively sound 3-5-2 is ok BUT you must have wing backs who can do both sides of the game Do we have ANY decent wing backs in the squad? If the answer is no (which in my opinion it is) then revert to basics and play a solid 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 We were cut open at will last night, credit to Exeter but it was schoolboy defending and other teams will realise we are vulnerable to balls over the top or down the channels NEW LEFT BACK INTO THE BUILDING AS A JANUARY PRIORITY!! Gordon is not the answer I’m afraid, flatters to deceive. I really hope Connelly is just a little rusty because he looked shot to pieces last night Hopefully the manner of the defeat will shake Barton into realising games are won with a solid defensive unit UTG |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Dec 30, 2022 12:41:06 GMT
Think many of us would have settled for us finishing 12 th preseason, it's just when we flirt with playoffs expectations rise , lose a couple and we all get brought back down to earth! such is the beautiful and beastly game!!
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Post by dudelebowski on Dec 30, 2022 12:45:21 GMT
Seeing as the gaffer isn’t a fan of “rewarding failure” I wonder if either of the back up keepers will get the nod on NYD. Personally I’d stick with Belshaw but purely curious going by JB’s own statements.
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Post by baggins on Dec 30, 2022 12:48:15 GMT
Think many of us would have settled for us finishing 12 th preseason, it's just when we flirt with playoffs expectations rise , lose a couple and we all get brought back down to earth! such is the beautiful and beastly game!! I'd have settled with finishing 20th but to look back at several games thinking we should have taken all 3 points to worry a top 10, maybe top 6, is rather disappointing. Still, plenty of games to go. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 30, 2022 13:08:41 GMT
Think many of us would have settled for us finishing 12 th preseason, it's just when we flirt with playoffs expectations rise , lose a couple and we all get brought back down to earth! such is the beautiful and beastly game!! I'd have settled with finishing 20th but to look back at several games thinking we should have taken all 3 points to worry a top 10, maybe top 6, is rather disappointing. Still, plenty of games to go. Couple of wins and we're play off contenders, couple of defeats and we're looking at the relegation zone. 'Plus ca change' and all that. That's why we love Rovers (and football in general). |
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Post by Big Jock on Dec 30, 2022 13:45:54 GMT
Think many of us would have settled for us finishing 12 th preseason, it's just when we flirt with playoffs expectations rise , lose a couple and we all get brought back down to earth! such is the beautiful and beastly game!! We’ll make th playoffs, feel free ta bump in May 👍🏼 |
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Post by gashead4ever on Dec 30, 2022 13:47:55 GMT
there no way were getting relegated with this squad were 3 players short of a really really good squad if we finish 12-10 i think we can all agree thats good seeing how awful we were when we got relegated i think 23-24 season is are season
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Post by baggins on Dec 30, 2022 13:58:43 GMT
there no way were getting relegated with this squad were 3 players short of a really really good squad if we finish 12-10 i think we can all agree thats good seeing how awful we were when we got relegated i think 23-24 season is are season Sort your grammer out for Christ's sake. 😀 |
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Post by oldie on Dec 30, 2022 14:28:41 GMT
there no way were getting relegated with this squad were 3 players short of a really really good squad if we finish 12-10 i think we can all agree thats good seeing how awful we were when we got relegated i think 23-24 season is are season Sort your grammer out for Christ's sake. 😀 It's surreal isn't it. |
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Post by oldie on Dec 30, 2022 14:29:24 GMT
there no way were getting relegated with this squad were 3 players short of a really really good squad if we finish 12-10 i think we can all agree thats good seeing how awful we were when we got relegated i think 23-24 season is are season Sort your grammer out for Christ's sake. 😀 It's surreal isn't it. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Dec 30, 2022 17:15:24 GMT
Excellent post GooseCan't believe that some people are saying the play-offs are gone. Had we even started our play-off push this time last season? We've got the opportunity to add a bit of strength in the January window, who knows what Joey might pull out of the bag this time. I'm still being entertained, not the ending we wanted last night, however, we've nicked points late on ourselves in the past, the deck can't always fall in our favour. Bring on Sunday - can't wait! |
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Post by dudelebowski on Dec 30, 2022 17:25:02 GMT
Excellent post GooseCan't believe that some people are saying the play-offs are gone. Had we even started our play-off push this time last season? We've got the opportunity to add a bit of strength in the January window, who knows what Joey might pull out of the bag this time. I'm still being entertained, not the ending we wanted last night, however, we've nicked points late on ourselves in the past, the deck can't always fall in our favour. Bring on Sunday - can't wait! Winnable next two games also. Even 4 from the 6 and Exeter shall be forgotten. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Dec 30, 2022 17:59:48 GMT
Sort your grammer out for Christ's sake. 😀 It's surreal isn't it. The other forum is virtually dead, are you trying to cull the numbers in this one too, by exhibiting your superiority? |
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Post by richmace on Dec 30, 2022 18:00:27 GMT
On relfection, I feel that we are exectly where we deserve to be right now. We are not consistent enough (at the moment), and are not defensively solid enough (at the moment). I would have been really happy with 12th position at the end of the season, so to even be thinking of a playoff push is a significant achievement.
The frustrating thing is that we all can see that we have potential and that the playoffs are actually achievable.
I do not blame Belshaw for the result yesterday. Exeter were the better team and had many chances to win the game. We have build a game plan around Belly saving at least two goals per game (which he did yesterday by the way), and we have also relied upon him acting as a sweeper keeper. For me, this now has to stop and he needs to concentrate on his own job and not acting as an extra defender. Belly is a quality shot-stopper and is the big time player that we need in goal.
The issue for me is the defense. Belly is having to come and get crosses that he has no right to get, and come out of the box to intercept attacks when he should not have to. The defense needs to take control of all crosses, and ensure they are positioned to prevent the ball over the top (easy for me to say).
At this moment, I am just grateful that we are in League One and comfortable in mid table. Anything above this in 2023 will be a bonus.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 30, 2022 18:43:42 GMT
The other forum is virtually dead, are you trying to cull the numbers in this one too, by exhibiting your superiority? To be fair to Oldie that post is pretty hard to decipher. |
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Post by inee on Dec 30, 2022 18:53:26 GMT
The other forum is virtually dead, are you trying to cull the numbers in this one too, by exhibiting your superiority? tis true always amazes me how those who think they are educated seem to have a reading age of 4+ It is so simple to put the breals in a post mentally as you read its as if they have noting to think about other than the way a post is written Trust your in better health now tilly or is it tilly's disclaimer (for those who will read trhis and realise the grammer aint up to your everso elitest standereds please accept my humble appology that i only wasted seconds of life you will not get back i wish it could have been years *all speelin v miistaks and missing symbols were intentional)* |
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Post by wallywalters on Dec 30, 2022 18:55:15 GMT
On relfection, I feel that we are exectly where we deserve to be right now. We are not consistent enough (at the moment), and are not defensively solid enough (at the moment). I would have been really happy with 12th position at the end of the season, so to even be thinking of a playoff push is a significant achievement. The frustrating thing is that we all can see that we have potential and that the playoffs are actually achievable. I do not blame Belshaw for the result yesterday. Exeter were the better team and had many chances to win the game. We have build a game plan around Belly saving at least two goals per game (which he did yesterday by the way), and we have also relied upon him acting as a sweeper keeper. For me, this now has to stop and he needs to concentrate on his own job and not acting as an extra defender. Belly is a quality shot-stopper and is the big time player that we need in goal. The issue for me is the defense. Belly is having to come and get crosses that he has no right to get, and come out of the box to intercept attacks when he should not have to. The defense needs to take control of all crosses, and ensure they are positioned to prevent the ball over the top (easy for me to say). At this moment, I am just grateful that we are in League One and comfortable in mid table. Anything above this in 2023 will be a bonus. The thing is though rich it's a myth that he's an excellent shot stopper. He's 19th in league one this season for shots saved across all 24 goalies. That isn't good enough. People who say but he's kept us in games with his saves. Every other keeper in every league keep teams in games with saves. Belshaw is 19th best at doing that out of 24 in our league. If we want to go places we need better. And as harsh as that sounds fan favourites like belly will have to be replaced. What I do agree on is I'm happy to finish 12th this season. I don't think we are as good as the top 6. Barton however obviously thinks differently so il trust his judgment on wether fan favourites need replacing. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Dec 30, 2022 19:06:03 GMT
The other forum is virtually dead, are you trying to cull the numbers in this one too, by exhibiting your superiority? To be fair to Oldie that post is pretty hard to decipher. Some people struggle getting their thoughts in order, and written down - I'm not saying that is the case here, although I do think that posters need to be more open to the idea that everybody has different skills. I'm rubbish at posting from my phone, mainly due to fat thumbs, poor eyesight, and my brain does get a bit mushed sometimes. We're posting our thoughts and views on a football forum, not sitting an English A Level exam, why belittle somebody? |
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Post by richmace on Dec 30, 2022 20:15:05 GMT
On relfection, I feel that we are exectly where we deserve to be right now. We are not consistent enough (at the moment), and are not defensively solid enough (at the moment). I would have been really happy with 12th position at the end of the season, so to even be thinking of a playoff push is a significant achievement. The frustrating thing is that we all can see that we have potential and that the playoffs are actually achievable. I do not blame Belshaw for the result yesterday. Exeter were the better team and had many chances to win the game. We have build a game plan around Belly saving at least two goals per game (which he did yesterday by the way), and we have also relied upon him acting as a sweeper keeper. For me, this now has to stop and he needs to concentrate on his own job and not acting as an extra defender. Belly is a quality shot-stopper and is the big time player that we need in goal. The issue for me is the defense. Belly is having to come and get crosses that he has no right to get, and come out of the box to intercept attacks when he should not have to. The defense needs to take control of all crosses, and ensure they are positioned to prevent the ball over the top (easy for me to say). At this moment, I am just grateful that we are in League One and comfortable in mid table. Anything above this in 2023 will be a bonus. The thing is though rich it's a myth that he's an excellent shot stopper. He's 19th in league one this season for shots saved across all 24 goalies. That isn't good enough. People who say but he's kept us in games with his saves. Every other keeper in every league keep teams in games with saves. Belshaw is 19th best at doing that out of 24 in our league. If we want to go places we need better. And as harsh as that sounds fan favourites like belly will have to be replaced. What I do agree on is I'm happy to finish 12th this season. I don't think we are as good as the top 6. Barton however obviously thinks differently so il trust his judgment on wether fan favourites need replacing. I was not aware of the stats. I would say that Belshaw has not been as effective as he was last season, I did not realise that the stats put him at the bottom of the league though. I will stand by my comments and defend Belly and say that the defense has been less effective this season, which perhaps have skewed the stats and made Belly look worse as a result. He has made mistakes and I hope he learns from them.
Agree 100% that there is little room for "favourites" and sentimentality if we are to progress as a club. Players must always be in the team on merit. JB has proved quite ruthless in this regard, so if changes are required I am sure he will make them. There are a number of players living off the credit rightly earned from last season.
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