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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 22, 2023 11:42:12 GMT
At the moment it cannot be proven he was right or wrong. Just because some are Wenger like saying I did not see the incident proves nothing. Neither someone not there but quoting others does not prove it did happen. Only the person supposedly involved can shed light on what happened. Therin lies the problem. You can make up any old sh** and if it cant be proven or disproven you can get away with it. Even by Swissgas' standards starting a thread by saying a shareholder was banned from the AGM seems a bit extreme if it didn't occur? SG's clearly informed JM of something which doesn't seem to be BS.
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 22, 2023 11:48:42 GMT
Lies or misinformation, and conspiracy theories are not free speech. They are fraud and agenda driven by the perpetrator in my opinion. Why the cloak and dagger 😞 if it happened the shareholder knows it was them and the club, not great strikes me of attention seeking!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 22, 2023 11:55:44 GMT
Lies or misinformation, and conspiracy theories are not free speech. They are fraud and agenda driven by the perpetrator in my opinion. Why the cloak and dagger 😞 if it happened the shareholder knows it was them and the club, not great strikes me of attention seeking! Because it's the game Swissgas plays, a bit like Knowall also did in the past, you do wonder what motivates somebody in their 70's to do it.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 22, 2023 12:05:33 GMT
Therin lies the problem. You can make up any old sh** and if it cant be proven or disproven you can get away with it. Even by Swissgas' standards starting a thread by saying a shareholder was banned from the AGM seems a bit extreme if it didn't occur? SG's clearly informed JM of something which doesn't seem to be BS. Agreed. It does seem an odd thing to do.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jan 22, 2023 12:07:43 GMT
Even by Swissgas' standards starting a thread by saying a shareholder was banned from the AGM seems a bit extreme if it didn't occur? SG's clearly informed JM of something which doesn't seem to be BS. Agreed. It does seem an odd thing to do. Welcome back Hugo
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Post by playtowin on Jan 22, 2023 12:09:48 GMT
I hear the trouble at the AGM was about cost cutting. Apparently the ferrero rochet turned out to be sprouts wrapped in tin foil. Caused a riot.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 22, 2023 12:18:49 GMT
Swiss has written to John malt whiskey so maybe you should ask him now. Whatever your opinions of Swiss, he is no liar nor fantasist and he was part of the group who saved the club, you do him a great injustice by labelling him as you do. He may be a probacteur but he not a liar, even if some want to spin it that way Maybe not a liar but his posts are definitely worded deliberately, he's certainly only given a one sided interpretation of events IMHO. Irrc he thought the al-Qadis were "carpet baggers" when they bought us. He's even dismissed The Quarters as a millstone and Wael incompetent with regards to planning, and even suggested we hire facilities next to a building site as preferable. Can you recall him writing anything positive about Wael’s tenure? I certainly don't. NB: I assume "Malt whiskey" is a predictive text error. 🫣 Malt whisky is the name his close friends call John. To be fair, Wael has made some whoppers but bought goodwill by paying debt. We are still the same old rovers just a different clique and with an owner who can be just as cold and non communicative as Higgs. We are no closer to forward momentum than we have been, in the past.
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Post by pudseygas on Jan 22, 2023 12:23:48 GMT
What's there to moan about at the minute? Club seems to be going in the right direction on and off the field
Yeah the lack of a new stadium is something to gripe about but thats been going on for years and many agms so nothing new
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Post by axegas on Jan 22, 2023 12:26:40 GMT
If it was a real problem, then isn't this something for the shareholder in question to come forward and say? Rather than some unconnected bloke on a forum that wasn't even in attendance.
It's only an issue if we know that the person in question had a right to be there, so far we have no evidence that they even exist.
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Post by baggins on Jan 22, 2023 12:31:52 GMT
If it was a real problem, then isn't this something for the shareholder in question to come forward and say? Rather than some unconnected bloke on a forum that wasn't even in attendance. It's only an issue if we know that the person in question had a right to be there, so far we have no evidence that they even exist. Do we even know who the shareholder is?
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Post by DrFaustus on Jan 22, 2023 12:36:15 GMT
If it was a real problem, then isn't this something for the shareholder in question to come forward and say? Rather than some unconnected bloke on a forum that wasn't even in attendance. It's only an issue if we know that the person in question had a right to be there, so far we have no evidence that they even exist. Do we even know who the shareholder is? The various serial fantasists haven't made that bit up yet.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 22, 2023 12:43:35 GMT
Maybe not a liar but his posts are definitely worded deliberately, he's certainly only given a one sided interpretation of events IMHO. Irrc he thought the al-Qadis were "carpet baggers" when they bought us. He's even dismissed The Quarters as a millstone and Wael incompetent with regards to planning, and even suggested we hire facilities next to a building site as preferable. Can you recall him writing anything positive about Wael’s tenure? I certainly don't. NB: I assume "Malt whiskey" is a predictive text error. 🫣 Malt whisky is the name his close friends call John. To be fair, Wael has made some whoppers but bought goodwill by paying debt. We are still the same old rovers just a different clique and with an owner who can be just as cold and non communicative as Higgs. We are no closer to forward momentum than we have been, in the past. What an absolute load of bollocks. We are 6 times the club we were under Dunford and 3 times the club we were under Higgs
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Post by axegas on Jan 22, 2023 12:44:32 GMT
If it was a real problem, then isn't this something for the shareholder in question to come forward and say? Rather than some unconnected bloke on a forum that wasn't even in attendance. It's only an issue if we know that the person in question had a right to be there, so far we have no evidence that they even exist. Do we even know who the shareholder is? Nope. Supposedly John Malyckyj has been PM'ed his name. Supposedly.
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Post by singupgas on Jan 22, 2023 12:51:06 GMT
At the moment it cannot be proven he was right or wrong. Just because some are Wenger like saying I did not see the incident proves nothing. Neither someone not there but quoting others does not prove it did happen. Only the person supposedly involved can shed light on what happened. Quarters. My mate was there, nobody was asked to leave.
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Post by axegas on Jan 22, 2023 12:57:28 GMT
Malt whisky is the name his close friends call John. To be fair, Wael has made some whoppers but bought goodwill by paying debt. We are still the same old rovers just a different clique and with an owner who can be just as cold and non communicative as Higgs. We are no closer to forward momentum than we have been, in the past. What an absolute load of bollocks. We are 6 times the club we were under Dunford and 3 times the club we were under Higgs There's a small section of the fan base that miss the days where they were more involved in the day to day running of the club and kept up to date with what was going on. I wish they'd just admit this rather than attempting to provide every spurious reason under the sun to cast doubt on the progress that Wael has made so far. If they did, maybe we'd even find some common ground. I've never had access to the corridors of power myself, but I'm feeling frustrated about the lack of communication from the club on certain topics.
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Post by Quarters on Jan 22, 2023 12:58:25 GMT
At the moment it cannot be proven he was right or wrong. Just because some are Wenger like saying I did not see the incident proves nothing. Neither someone not there but quoting others does not prove it did happen. Only the person supposedly involved can shed light on what happened. Quarters. My mate was there, nobody was asked to leave. So he saw and heard all conversations. Could have happened before he arrived. Did he count the people arriving and again when the meeting when it started? Am not saying it happened, but stll no real proof it did not.
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Post by singupgas on Jan 22, 2023 13:04:32 GMT
Quarters. My mate was there, nobody was asked to leave. So he saw and heard all conversations. Could have happened before he arrived. Did he count the people arriving and again when the meeting when it started? Am not saying it happened, but stll no real proof it did not. Whilst the AGM was ongoing, nobody was removed. Before the AGM took place, they do not know. Its possible they missed that part.
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Jan 22, 2023 13:10:56 GMT
Do we even know who the shareholder is? Nope. Supposedly John Malyckyj has been PM'ed his name. Supposedly. PM'd but let the whole world know on the forum to open a can of worms that doesn't need opening I've heard plenty of rumours over many years. Unless there is proof that is all they are, gossip on the terraces and that's it. There are a few people that post crap, one day they will post something with substance but they have played 'cry wolf'* so many times it'll be rubbished. *Not the A-ha song. Are song puns still frowned upon?
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Post by baggins on Jan 22, 2023 13:13:33 GMT
Nope. Supposedly John Malyckyj has been PM'ed his name. Supposedly. PM'd but let the whole world know on the forum to open a can of worms that doesn't need opening I've heard plenty of rumours over many years. Unless there is proof that is all they are, gossip on the terraces and that's it. There are a few people that post crap, one day they will post something with substance but they have played 'cry wolf'* so many times it'll be rubbished. *Not the A-ha song. Are song puns still frowned upon? Yes. And if anyone says Careless Whisper they're gone.
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 22, 2023 13:48:08 GMT
PM'd but let the whole world know on the forum to open a can of worms that doesn't need opening I've heard plenty of rumours over many years. Unless there is proof that is all they are, gossip on the terraces and that's it. There are a few people that post crap, one day they will post something with substance but they have played 'cry wolf'* so many times it'll be rubbished. *Not the A-ha song. Are song puns still frowned upon? Yes. And if anyone says Careless Whisper they're gone. Guilty feet have got no rhythm,care......
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