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Post by eric on Jan 22, 2023 13:54:56 GMT
I don't think anyone should be banned! Freedom of speech and all that.. If you don't like the poster or dislike the posts, you can block him/her/inbetween yourself.....or just not read them or turn over to a different thread or forum. Nobody should be banned for opinion based posts. If (as is likely) someone is just making things up and using the forum to post vendetta motivated lies then there would be every justification for a permanent ban.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 22, 2023 14:04:08 GMT
I don't think anyone should be banned! Freedom of speech and all that.. If you don't like the poster or dislike the posts, you can block him/her/inbetween yourself.....or just not read them or turn over to a different thread or forum. Nobody should be banned for opinion based posts. If (as is likely) someone is just making things up and using the forum to post vendetta motivated lies then there would be every justification for a permanent ban. How can you ban a poster from Gaschat who doesn't even post anything on here?
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 22, 2023 14:10:28 GMT
Do we even know who the shareholder is? Nope. Supposedly John Malyckyj has been PM'ed his name. Supposedly. No, no name was given but John is very angry as he says he is in an impossible position now and that he wishes swiss would make it public. He does know but not any names
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 22, 2023 14:11:31 GMT
What an absolute load of bollocks. We are 6 times the club we were under Dunford and 3 times the club we were under Higgs There's a small section of the fan base that miss the days where they were more involved in the day to day running of the club and kept up to date with what was going on. I wish they'd just admit this rather than attempting to provide every spurious reason under the sun to cast doubt on the progress that Wael has made so far. If they did, maybe we'd even find some common ground. I've never had access to the corridors of power myself, but I'm feeling frustrated about the lack of communication from the club on certain topics. Swissgas is clearly not one of those fans as he's lived in the states for years? As I guess I'd say either Ken Masters or John Chappell are behind the post, as I can't imagine any other shareholders are too concerned bout not being able to attend the AGM. I guess only Rovers could make even an AGM newsworthy!!
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Post by baggins on Jan 22, 2023 14:18:47 GMT
There's a small section of the fan base that miss the days where they were more involved in the day to day running of the club and kept up to date with what was going on. I wish they'd just admit this rather than attempting to provide every spurious reason under the sun to cast doubt on the progress that Wael has made so far. If they did, maybe we'd even find some common ground. I've never had access to the corridors of power myself, but I'm feeling frustrated about the lack of communication from the club on certain topics. Swissgas is clearly not one of those fans as he's lived in the states for years? As I guess I'd say either Ken Masters or John Chappell are behind the post, as I can't imagine any other shareholders are too concerned bout not being able to attend the AGM. I guess only Rovers could make even an AGM newsworthy!! Blaming Rovers for this?
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Post by padstow on Jan 22, 2023 14:28:06 GMT
Why add the last paragraph when similar comments have created a ruckus on the other forum, as I doubt Hamer, Masters and Chappell fell out with him because he wasn't English or a Bristolian? To answer both your posts in one. Because I simply want to dig out the motivation for the constant vilification, sniping, misrepresentative posts that do border on lying. I’ve constantly asked why, because on the face of it, Waels ownership is the best we’ve ever had, certainly from a secure financial perspective and definitely from a footballing investment perspective. He has achieved more in 7 years than boards have achieved in 30. He’s built assets where others have had to sell assets to keep us going. The stadium is the elephant in the room but if Wael delivers it by the time he sells us then we look back on his tenure as doing what no others could do. If there is no good reason from a material and business perspective it must wholly be personal and that Swiss and a few others don’t like him for who or what he may be. If that’s the case, why not just say so? I’m not saying Wael is above criticism or questioning, of course he isn’t, and I don’t agree with everything that’s done or said either, but you must be fair of both criticism and appreciation in equal measure. Seems like domething I wrote a couple of years ago concerning a poster who continually vilified the supporters club.maybe Swiss is taking a leaf out of his book
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Post by padstow on Jan 22, 2023 14:30:19 GMT
If it was a real problem, then isn't this something for the shareholder in question to come forward and say? Rather than some unconnected bloke on a forum that wasn't even in attendance. It's only an issue if we know that the person in question had a right to be there, so far we have no evidence that they even exist. Maybe he was taken by a member of staff as a guest.it has a precedent
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jan 22, 2023 14:39:38 GMT
So he saw and heard all conversations. Could have happened before he arrived. Did he count the people arriving and again when the meeting when it started? Am not saying it happened, but stll no real proof it did not. Whilst the AGM was ongoing, nobody was removed. Before the AGM took place, they do not know. Its possible they missed that part. JM said that he was there from 5.20, and didn't see anbody being asked to leave from that time onwards. From what Swiss posted, it gave the impression that the person was removed from the main body of the meeting, maybe they were requested not to enter the premises, and it was done discreetly?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 22, 2023 15:12:35 GMT
Swissgas is clearly not one of those fans as he's lived in the states for years? As I guess I'd say either Ken Masters or John Chappell are behind the post, as I can't imagine any other shareholders are too concerned bout not being able to attend the AGM. I guess only Rovers could make even an AGM newsworthy!! Blaming Rovers for this? No, just making the point that everything the club does seems to be newsworthy. Not sure if it's the same at every league club now due to social media or just at Rovers.
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Post by bambergashead on Jan 22, 2023 15:26:30 GMT
No, just making the point that everything the club does seems to be newsworthy. Not sure if it's the same at every league club now due to social media or just at Rovers. We always seem to go for the most difficult option.
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Post by eric on Jan 22, 2023 16:01:59 GMT
Nobody should be banned for opinion based posts. If (as is likely) someone is just making things up and using the forum to post vendetta motivated lies then there would be every justification for a permanent ban. How can you ban a poster from Gaschat who doesn't even post anything on here? If he’s not a current and registered forum member then you are right. If he is registered I’d guess he can be banned, regardless of how often or how long it is since he last posted. If it’s known that he the same person as on the other forum and still is still registered on here then why leave it open for him to return and give him the platform for his vendetta?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 22, 2023 16:41:09 GMT
How can you ban a poster from Gaschat who doesn't even post anything on here? If he’s not a current and registered forum member then you are right. If he is registered I’d guess he can be banned, regardless of how often or how long it is since he last posted. If it’s known that he the same person as on the other forum and still is still registered on here then why leave it open for him to return and give him the platform for his vendetta? You can't ban a poster for not breaking a different forums rules!
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Post by eric on Jan 22, 2023 16:50:24 GMT
If he’s not a current and registered forum member then you are right. If he is registered I’d guess he can be banned, regardless of how often or how long it is since he last posted. If it’s known that he the same person as on the other forum and still is still registered on here then why leave it open for him to return and give him the platform for his vendetta? You can't ban a poster for not breaking a different forums rules! I don’t see why not. If it’s a serial liar who only uses forums to post lies and pursue a personal vendetta surely it would be a fair preventative measure and for the greater good of the forum. It’s not going to ruin my weekend either way, I simply don’t like liars, especially those out to harm the club I support.
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Post by GasHeadBlues on Jan 22, 2023 16:56:43 GMT
Nobody should be banned for opinion based posts. If (as is likely) someone is just making things up and using the forum to post vendetta motivated lies then there would be every justification for a permanent ban. How can you ban a poster from Gaschat who doesn't even post anything on here? SwissGas is registered on here with over 500 posts and so technically he could be banned regardless of whether he posts much these days.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 22, 2023 18:03:14 GMT
To answer both your posts in one. Because I simply want to dig out the motivation for the constant vilification, sniping, misrepresentative posts that do border on lying. I’ve constantly asked why, because on the face of it, Waels ownership is the best we’ve ever had, certainly from a secure financial perspective and definitely from a footballing investment perspective. He has achieved more in 7 years than boards have achieved in 30. He’s built assets where others have had to sell assets to keep us going. The stadium is the elephant in the room but if Wael delivers it by the time he sells us then we look back on his tenure as doing what no others could do. If there is no good reason from a material and business perspective it must wholly be personal and that Swiss and a few others don’t like him for who or what he may be. If that’s the case, why not just say so? I’m not saying Wael is above criticism or questioning, of course he isn’t, and I don’t agree with everything that’s done or said either, but you must be fair of both criticism and appreciation in equal measure. Seems like domething I wrote a couple of years ago concerning a poster who continually vilified the supporters club.maybe Swiss is taking a leaf out of his book I did vilify them and I had absolutely every justification to. They were trying to destroy the reputation of our owner by lying stooping as low as accusing him of grooming children. I never threw a grenade or told half naked truths either. I backed up everything I said, no one could accuse me of doing what Swiss gas does as I called everyone of them out and they all did exactly as Swiss does, run away. As a result I was threatened verbally at games by members of their clique, with legal action by JC if I didn’t stop posting and was bad mouthed to every one that would listen to them. One by one they fell on their sword and everything I said came out to be true. So far, none of what Swiss says is true and nothing ever comes to pass. Which is why I’ve asked, what is the point in his continual vilification because it’s making him look a right p-rick along with the people that believe what he says.
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Post by bluegas on Jan 22, 2023 18:37:30 GMT
Seems like domething I wrote a couple of years ago concerning a poster who continually vilified the supporters club.maybe Swiss is taking a leaf out of his book I did vilify them and I had absolutely every justification to. They were trying to destroy the reputation of our owner by lying stooping as low as accusing him of grooming children. I never threw a grenade or told half naked truths either. I backed up everything I said, no one could accuse me of doing what Swiss gas does as I called everyone of them out and they all did exactly as Swiss does, run away. As a result I was threatened verbally at games by members of their clique, with legal action by JC if I didn’t stop posting and was bad mouthed to every one that would listen to them. One by one they fell on their sword and everything I said came out to be true. So far, none of what Swiss says is true and nothing ever comes to pass. Which is why I’ve asked, what is the point in his continual vilification because it’s making him look a right p-rick along with the people that believe what he says. Life must be boring in Kentucky.
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Post by herbertblake on Jan 22, 2023 18:46:10 GMT
I did vilify them and I had absolutely every justification to. They were trying to destroy the reputation of our owner by lying stooping as low as accusing him of grooming children. I never threw a grenade or told half naked truths either. I backed up everything I said, no one could accuse me of doing what Swiss gas does as I called everyone of them out and they all did exactly as Swiss does, run away. As a result I was threatened verbally at games by members of their clique, with legal action by JC if I didn’t stop posting and was bad mouthed to every one that would listen to them. One by one they fell on their sword and everything I said came out to be true. So far, none of what Swiss says is true and nothing ever comes to pass. Which is why I’ve asked, what is the point in his continual vilification because it’s making him look a right p-rick along with the people that believe what he says. Life must be boring in Kentucky. Yes only fried chicken on the menu..only outlet to look forward to The Derby!
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Post by gasandrew on Jan 22, 2023 18:57:20 GMT
First AGM I have missed (bar Covid) since 1980’s as I didn’t receive formal notice.Reckon they ought to sack Taylor Wessing
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 22, 2023 19:17:02 GMT
Seems like domething I wrote a couple of years ago concerning a poster who continually vilified the supporters club.maybe Swiss is taking a leaf out of his book I did vilify them and I had absolutely every justification to. They were trying to destroy the reputation of our owner by lying stooping as low as accusing him of grooming children. I never threw a grenade or told half naked truths either. I backed up everything I said, no one could accuse me of doing what Swiss gas does as I called everyone of them out and they all did exactly as Swiss does, run away. As a result I was threatened verbally at games by members of their clique, with legal action by JC if I didn’t stop posting and was bad mouthed to every one that would listen to them. One by one they fell on their sword and everything I said came out to be true. So far, none of what Swiss says is true and nothing ever comes to pass. Which is why I’ve asked, what is the point in his continual vilification because it’s making him look a right p-rick along with the people that believe what he says. Wasn't the issue that you posted abou the child grooming allegation when no other supporter were aware of them at the time, which you've now repeated again on both forums even though most of us have long forgotten about them. Do you really think Wael wants that issue brought up again? As far as I can recall those allegations have never been repeated by Swissgas, who seems to be mainly concerned about how the club is being run financially. I sense SG is enjoying the attention he's getting on here, which is what he seems to thrive upon.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 22, 2023 19:43:55 GMT
I did vilify them and I had absolutely every justification to. They were trying to destroy the reputation of our owner by lying stooping as low as accusing him of grooming children. I never threw a grenade or told half naked truths either. I backed up everything I said, no one could accuse me of doing what Swiss gas does as I called everyone of them out and they all did exactly as Swiss does, run away. As a result I was threatened verbally at games by members of their clique, with legal action by JC if I didn’t stop posting and was bad mouthed to every one that would listen to them. One by one they fell on their sword and everything I said came out to be true. So far, none of what Swiss says is true and nothing ever comes to pass. Which is why I’ve asked, what is the point in his continual vilification because it’s making him look a right p-rick along with the people that believe what he says. Wasn't the issue that you posted abou the child grooming allegation when no other supporter were aware of them at the time, which you've now repeated again on both forums even though most of us have long forgotten about them. Do you really think Wael wants that issue brought up again? As far as I can recall those allegations have never been repeated by Swissgas, who seems to be mainly concerned about how the club is being run financially. I sense SG is enjoying the attention he's getting on here, which is what he seems to thrive upon. I wasn’t the one who put it into the public domain…the SC did or rather members of it did and I’ve never said Swiss did have any involvement in it. My reply was one to Padstow who said I vilified JC and the SC at the time and it was to remind him why and that I wasn’t the one lying about anything. Padstow repeated that line on the OF and I replied to it there as well.
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