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Post by The Equaliser on Feb 3, 2023 6:43:33 GMT
So you’re idea is not to charge extra for everyone? The question was how much extra would you pay for a promotion push. I didn't ask how much should ticket prices increase by. Ok, I’m afraid I wouldn’t pay anymore 👍🏾
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Post by gasify on Feb 3, 2023 7:23:06 GMT
The question was how much extra would you pay for a promotion push. I didn't ask how much should ticket prices increase by. Ok, I’m afraid I wouldn’t pay anymore 👍🏾 How much do you pay at the moment?
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Post by gasify on Feb 3, 2023 7:25:25 GMT
Can we ground share at the cricket ? Like they do in many parts of Australia. UTG! What Australian cricket team shares with a soccer team. AFL, yes as the game was created for cricketers to play in the winter season.
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Post by playtowin on Feb 3, 2023 10:04:52 GMT
What could be put in place are options when you purchase a ticket (matchday).
Example Ticket price £20 Then have tick box options to pay more. Say, £2 per box ticked.
The boxes could be. Under 23 team. Academy. Ground improvements. Training ground improvements. First team squad.
So you could pay the £20 or you could pay anything upto £30.
Some months you are flusher than others so you are not committed to long term extra money paid out.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Feb 3, 2023 10:38:17 GMT
Seems to be a growing surge of emotion about the total lack of anything ground wise either basic enhancements or plans for a new build.Supporters club have paid for a lot over the years both at the Mem and Eastville.Not sure we should be forking out.I paid into a share scheme for many years but not sure what that achieved. When people see everyone else building new stands etc,non league and even grass roots,it does cause concern but with no updates from on high the frustrations seem to be escalating.Meanwhile we really need three points tomorrow after our recent performances so we will all feel better.
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Post by oldie on Feb 3, 2023 10:43:02 GMT
So you want Wael to pay for your entertainment? Well you can't realistically expect the fans of any L1/L2 club to fund the losses. They turn up, endure crap facilities (often) and do their bit. Owners are the gatekeepers who are there to sustain the clubs and prevent disaster. That's why they are, and want to be, owners. If we're losing £3m per annum, that's a huge amount extra for 9,000 fans to make up over 23 games. In fact it's £14.50 extra per game. Except it's not, because crowds would tumble at £37 per ticket, so it would have to be more, until the elasticity of demand snaps and it doesn't work at all. The fans are already paying a hefty fee for their entertainment. They can't be expected to fund the losses. It's just not realistic. This thread was of course about raising cash for transfers, not sustaining the whole club, but the general point is the same. And if you ask why Wael would stay if the fans won't pay enough to make the club break even, I would refer you to the other 47 clubs and ask them the same question. Agreed. So if you, anyone, cannot sustain the losses, cannot grow the revenue, what do you do? Cut costs by £2million a year.
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Post by oldie on Feb 3, 2023 10:45:42 GMT
Exactly. Which very nicely triangulates back to our choice of manager and his recruitment method. JB's recruitment policy has produced our best saleable asset in the club's history. FACT Disagree. Barry Hayles, Jason Roberts and Ricki Lambert were far better players than Collins (so far) and played in the Premier League.
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Post by The Equaliser on Feb 3, 2023 11:35:27 GMT
Ok, I’m afraid I wouldn’t pay anymore 👍🏾 How much do you pay at the moment? £22
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Feb 3, 2023 11:38:21 GMT
JB's recruitment policy has produced our best saleable asset in the club's history. FACT Disagree. Barry Hayles, Jason Roberts and Ricki Lambert were far better players than Collins (so far) and played in the Premier League. Plus Nigel Martyn, as the first ever million pound goalkeeper. £1 million in 1989 was a significant amount of money. Inflation over the years puts that at around £3 million in today’s money. Roberts and Hayles both went for £2 million around the turn of the century, which is equivalent to around £4 million these days. Maybe Collins will go for more than that, but I very much doubt it.
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Post by heartofgas on Feb 3, 2023 12:04:50 GMT
Disagree. Barry Hayles, Jason Roberts and Ricki Lambert were far better players than Collins (so far) and played in the Premier League. Plus Nigel Martyn, as the first ever million pound goalkeeper. £1 million in 1989 was a significant amount of money. Inflation over the years puts that at around £3 million in today’s money. Roberts and Hayles both went for £2 million around the turn of the century, which is equivalent to around £4 million these days. Maybe Collins will go for more than that, but I very much doubt it. don't forget Ellington, Marcus Stewart, Cureton, Zamora (Who we got peanuts for) and even Beadle.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 3, 2023 12:29:08 GMT
My point, a simple one, is that fans need to face up to reality. I agree with both the scenarios you paint. There is a third. Wael stops funding the club, realises his capital value held within the site of the current stadium and leaves us. The club is then dead in the water. As Trevorgas pointed out he cannot carry on Ad Infinitum, and we have no, based upon current evidence, qualified management to grow (trade) us out of this hole. Unless posters like you upset him with your continued sniping why would Wael suddenly decided to leave us in the lurch by selling the Mem and leaving us homeless, it's just an attempt at scaremongering nobody's really going to fall for, unless Wael ever says he's moving it's pointless worry about the future when we have zero control over what Wael might or might not do. Fairly obvious reply, money and continual haemorrhage of it but i do not think, not for one moment, he would just up and go. I am confident he would sort out new owner/s and hand us to a decent group or person. Wealthy people do not have a habit of taking the hit of a continual drain and i hope we can get to be stable then consolidate on that and even get to no annual debt but only sales of our best, have kept us from the usual 3 million. I may not like how the club is run but i do appreciate our owners backing
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Post by yattongas on Feb 3, 2023 12:32:11 GMT
Seems to be a growing surge of emotion about the total lack of anything ground wise either basic enhancements or plans for a new build.Supporters club have paid for a lot over the years both at the Mem and Eastville.Not sure we should be forking out.I paid into a share scheme for many years but not sure what that achieved. When people see everyone else building new stands etc,non league and even grass roots,it does cause concern but with no updates from on high the frustrations seem to be escalating.Meanwhile we really need three points tomorrow after our recent performances so we will all feel better. I was going to write something similar. Think Gasheads have finally reached the end of their tether and the excuses or lack of updates / news just won’t cut it anymore.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 3, 2023 12:33:58 GMT
JB's recruitment policy has produced our best saleable asset in the club's history. FACT Worth more than our Ricky? I am not sure but think Barry Hayles, Jason Roberts and maybe Zamora got us a lot in sell on fees, also Sinclair. I have no numbers but remember all being discussed
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Post by The Equaliser on Feb 3, 2023 12:39:26 GMT
Seems to be a growing surge of emotion about the total lack of anything ground wise either basic enhancements or plans for a new build.Supporters club have paid for a lot over the years both at the Mem and Eastville.Not sure we should be forking out.I paid into a share scheme for many years but not sure what that achieved. When people see everyone else building new stands etc,non league and even grass roots,it does cause concern but with no updates from on high the frustrations seem to be escalating.Meanwhile we really need three points tomorrow after our recent performances so we will all feel better. I was going to write something similar. Think Gasheads have finally reached the end of their tether and the excuses or lack of updates / news just won’t cut it anymore. You say that, but mixing and talking on the terraces I just don’t experience it.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 3, 2023 16:05:11 GMT
I was going to write something similar. Think Gasheads have finally reached the end of their tether and the excuses or lack of updates / news just won’t cut it anymore. You say that, but mixing and talking on the terraces I just don’t experience it. Because the majority do not use any forum
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 3, 2023 23:09:51 GMT
Like they do in many parts of Australia. UTG! What Australian cricket team shares with a soccer team. AFL, yes as the game was created for cricketers to play in the winter season. Doesn’t matter when they play, they share grounds. 😉 UTG!
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Post by wertongas on Feb 3, 2023 23:55:14 GMT
At a time when people are struggling financially, raising prices is not the answer and will deter fans from coming especially if there are no improvements to facilities. Stadium capacity isn't high enough and facilities are not good enough, that just points to one logical answer, put in new larger pre fabricated stands to keep down costs but at the same time will increase capacity and amenities for fans, allowing those who miss games due to sell out fixtures to be able to attend matches and increase club revenue.
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Post by gasify on Feb 4, 2023 14:30:49 GMT
What Australian cricket team shares with a soccer team. AFL, yes as the game was created for cricketers to play in the winter season. Doesn’t matter when they play, they share grounds. 😉 UTG! Only AFL. Not Soccer. Also helps that the pitch is the same shape for those games. Unlike football and Cricket
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 5, 2023 9:51:46 GMT
Doesn’t matter when they play, they share grounds. 😉 UTG! Only AFL. Not Soccer. Also helps that the pitch is the same shape for those games. Unlike football and Cricket Yes, but AFL is a very similar game to Football as regards the effect on the pitch/ground and my point was in Australia they find a way round these problems to share resources. Etc. Football in general and Rovers in particular when it comes to grounds seem unable to find a way round a roundabout. Very poor. UTG!
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Post by gasify on Feb 5, 2023 9:58:14 GMT
Only AFL. Not Soccer. Also helps that the pitch is the same shape for those games. Unlike football and Cricket Yes, but AFL is a very similar game to Football as regards the effect on the pitch/ground and my point was in Australia they find a way round these problems to share resources. Etc. Football in general and Rovers in particular when it comes to grounds seem unable to find a way round a roundabout. Very poor. UTG! Yes, I agree that AFL is very similar to football. 18 players a side, three refs on the pitch at any time. You can carry the ball 10 yards without bouncing it. When you receive a kick over 10 yards, you get an uncontested kick. The linesman takes the throw in, you get a point if you miss the goal either side by 12 foot. Oh and the final thing that is just like soccer, it's played on an oval pitch. The example is terrible. The only reason why AFL and cricket teams is that AFL was created for exactly that reason. The cricket players said "What shall we do in the off season to keep fit?" And AFL was born. AFL and cricket are not played at the same time, so the impact on the pitch isn't very comparable. They don't play cricket one week and then AFL the next. The seasons don't overlap. The Grand Final is in September and cricket season starts after that. Why not go for the Italian model of ground sharing?
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