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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 19, 2023 0:04:01 GMT
Two totally different things, just because somebody backs the manager it doesn't mean that they also have to agree with fans singing Belly's name today. People agree on some things, and disagree on others, we're not clones. Couldnt agree more. This forum sometimes only wants clones tho. I don't think so, it's interesting to read different points of view. Although it tends to diminish the credibility for me, if a poster doesn't engage in any discussion to explain the rationale behind their thinking.
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Post by socrates on Feb 19, 2023 1:43:26 GMT
Pretty sure Balcombe knew he'd be taking Belshaw's place when he agreed to join Rovers, just why JB decided to replace Belshaw with Balcombe is a bit of a mystery, as he doesn't really look any better, no idea why he choose to punch balls into the box when it looked far to catch them and his kicking looks no better than Jaakola's Our results are just as bad with Balcombe as they were with Belshaw in the side. Worse. Much worse.
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 19, 2023 5:04:44 GMT
I doubt that very much. Belshaw is a pro goalkeeper in his 30s who was a fans favourite and has been unceremoniously dumped from the team for a Johnny come lately. My guess is as a professional footballer he wants to play, I doubt very much it’s a support group. It might be on the surface, but that’s not how competitive sport works. As for Balcombe, we have no idea if he’s a good bloke, an OK bloke or a total d1ck as none of us know him! Perhaps you have, I am willing to assume everyone is a good person but to suppose Belshaw is sat there empathising with the lesser skilled guy who took his job because he’s Good value in the pub is stretching things a bit when all we know are glimpses on social media, pretty hard to craft a soap opera narrative from things we don’t know anything about! I haven't said that Balcombe is a good bloke, or anything about somebody being good value in the pub. It is possible to be in competition with somebody, and still be supportive to them, my son's been in professional sport for 20 years, so I do have some experience of how things work. You said “ and I would imagine that he's supportive to Balcome, as he's a decent bloke” Good bloke = decent bloke. Tomato/tomater potato/potater! I suppose Belshaw could be both happy the blackthorn are supporting him but feel a bit bad for Balcombe as well, life is nuanced after all. Now you’ve revealed you’re the mum of a lad who’s played professional sport I will defer to your wisdom and confer you the title of tactical forum psychologist.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 19, 2023 5:44:24 GMT
I haven't said that Balcombe is a good bloke, or anything about somebody being good value in the pub. It is possible to be in competition with somebody, and still be supportive to them, my son's been in professional sport for 20 years, so I do have some experience of how things work. You said “ and I would imagine that he's supportive to Balcome, as he's a decent bloke” Good bloke = decent bloke. Tomato/tomater potato/potater! I suppose Belshaw could be both happy the blackthorn are supporting him but feel a bit bad for Balcombe as well, life is nuanced after all. Now you’ve revealed you’re the mum of a lad who’s played professional sport I will defer to your wisdom and confer you the title of tactical forum psychologist. I wonder what title posters would bestow on you.
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 19, 2023 7:33:28 GMT
The atmosphere yesterday was appalling. Especially from the Blackthorn end. Got outsang by 300 Albion fans at home.
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Post by dudelebowski on Feb 19, 2023 7:37:45 GMT
The atmosphere yesterday was appalling. Especially from the Blackthorn end. Got outsang by 300 Albion fans at home. Funny how those that occupy it (seem too) think it’s some elite famous rousing atmosphere that rocks the stadium. Isn’t even a touch on the seasons 2001-2004 these days, high variety of familiar songs sang at pace, plenty joining in, mainly Gas reference & minimal mentions of the 82ers AND we were languishing at the bottom of Division 3 watching Kevin Street, Rob Quinn & Alvin Bubb! It could do with some work.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 7:41:05 GMT
The atmosphere yesterday was appalling. Especially from the Blackthorn end. Got outsang by 300 Albion fans at home. Funny how those that occupy it (seem too) think it’s some elite famous rousing atmosphere that rocks the stadium. Isn’t even a touch on the seasons 2001-2004 these days, high variety of familiar songs sang at pace, plenty joining in, mainly Gas reference & minimal mentions of the 82ers AND we were languishing at the bottom of Division 3 watching Kevin Street, Rob Quinn & Alvin Bubb! It could do with some work. It’s been terrible for at least 5 years now. As you say the early 2000’s it was superb. Songs are crap nowadays as well.
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Post by yetigas on Feb 19, 2023 8:03:40 GMT
But which of those 6 defeats were Balcombes fault? He’s been poor, he was in lg 2 last season! Barton has personally fell out with Belly and will never back down now. But more than that it’s rocked the harmony of the dressing room and caused friction with the fans which we do not need and looks will send us down at this rate. Belshaw was also in lg 2 last season. On the evidence so far he has filed to make the step up. I am not a great Barton fan but on this occasion he was right to bring in another keeper to challenge one who was underperforming. 'rocked the harmony of the dressing room? How do you know that? 'Caused friction with the fans? Fans at fault here for their love in with a mediocre goalkeeper.
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Post by wertongas on Feb 19, 2023 8:50:09 GMT
If fans want to blame anyone for the goalkeeper problem, blame Barton. He brought in a goalkeeper lacking experience, who can't kick straight and doesn't have the confidence to catch the ball so punches it, surely Barton watched him before he signed him. I think Barton has realised his mistake and outed Belshaw rather than take the blame himself. Thing is when a goalkeeper drops a clanger it is more obvious, our defence has been poor for most of the season, not marking players close enough, giving away soft goals, leaving to much space at the back and not clearing our lines, many times Belshaw has had to come to the rescue.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 19, 2023 8:57:57 GMT
DC done similar with public sacking of Mildenhall.
...and then had to publicly reinstate him a few matches later!
If Barton truly does think that no one is above or bigger than the club they serve, he's going to have to make a big decision sooner or later and justify it....or he'll look more a buffoon than he does on this subject now.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 19, 2023 9:04:25 GMT
He’s been poor, he was in lg 2 last season! Barton has personally fell out with Belly and will never back down now. But more than that it’s rocked the harmony of the dressing room and caused friction with the fans which we do not need and looks will send us down at this rate. Belshaw was also in lg 2 last season. On the evidence so far he has filed to make the step up. I am not a great Barton fan but on this occasion he was right to bring in another keeper to challenge one who was underperforming. 'rocked the harmony of the dressing room? How do you know that? 'Caused friction with the fans? Fans at fault here for their love in with a mediocre goalkeeper. But your mate Balcombe looks a step down on Belshaw, even his biggest fan must admit he had a shocker yesterday, where he seemed to just panic whenever the ball came into the box. How can he marshall the defence when he's struggling just to catch a cross?
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Post by wertongas on Feb 19, 2023 9:13:31 GMT
When you have a young defence you need an experienced goalkeeper behind them, because goalkeepers are in a unique position that they are the only player on the pitch that can see everything going on in front of them.An experienced goalkeeper can shout and his defenders giving them directions and helping them out. Balcombe hasn't the experience to do that. Barton said last week Belshaw may not have a future at the club, well he shot himself in the foot and will have to go back on his word as he was on the bench yesterday and will probably be back between sticks before to long.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Feb 19, 2023 9:14:39 GMT
Both keepers have made errors in the games they've played, both have also had to put up with playing behind a defence that gives up chances on a regular basis. For me the point isn't who should play but what sort of message does it give to Balcome when the very fans who are meant to be supporting his team are chanting Belshaws name, it really defies any logic.
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Post by percy on Feb 19, 2023 9:16:43 GMT
An independent view from someone that watches a lot of L1 and L2 football
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Post by wertongas on Feb 19, 2023 9:17:40 GMT
Both keepers have made errors in the games they've played, both have also had to put up with playing behind a defence that gives up chances on a regular basis. For me the point isn't who should play but what sort of message does it give to Balcome when the very fans who are meant to be supporting his team are chanting Belshaws name, it really defies any logic. Agree home supporters should get behind the home team players on the pitch, otherwise they are not a, supporter in my eyes.
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 19, 2023 9:57:09 GMT
You said “ and I would imagine that he's supportive to Balcome, as he's a decent bloke” Good bloke = decent bloke. Tomato/tomater potato/potater! I suppose Belshaw could be both happy the blackthorn are supporting him but feel a bit bad for Balcombe as well, life is nuanced after all. Now you’ve revealed you’re the mum of a lad who’s played professional sport I will defer to your wisdom and confer you the title of tactical forum psychologist. I wonder what title posters would bestow on you. Oh pipe down you wet sheet of tissue paper, I’m surprised you’re not still sulking and sucking your thumb and boycotting rovers because we got Barton as manager.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 19, 2023 10:15:32 GMT
I wonder what title posters would bestow on you. Oh pipe down you wet sheet of tissue paper, I’m surprised you’re not still sulking and sucking your thumb and boycotting rovers because we got Barton as manager. I am. And yet you're still the one coming off looking like more of a dick. Impressive.
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 19, 2023 10:23:37 GMT
Oh pipe down you wet sheet of tissue paper, I’m surprised you’re not still sulking and sucking your thumb and boycotting rovers because we got Barton as manager. I am. And yet you're still the one coming off looking like more of a dick. Impressive. You’re confusing me with someone who gives a toss what a little gaggle of aging hand-wringing loser lefties think.
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Post by yetigas on Feb 19, 2023 10:24:57 GMT
Belshaw was also in lg 2 last season. On the evidence so far he has filed to make the step up. I am not a great Barton fan but on this occasion he was right to bring in another keeper to challenge one who was underperforming. 'rocked the harmony of the dressing room? How do you know that? 'Caused friction with the fans? Fans at fault here for their love in with a mediocre goalkeeper. But your mate Balcombe looks a step down on Belshaw, even his biggest fan must admit he had a shocker yesterday, where he seemed to just panic whenever the ball came into the box. How can he marshall the defence when he's struggling just to catch a cross? He did not 'have a shocker'. He mis-punched one cross and for that you and others get on his back (it was like th Thatchers end were waiting or a mistake to ponce on). Neither goal came from his mistake. He made two excellent saves in the second half when he was exposed by the defence. Given that he had to contend with the Thatchers end idiots as well as Burton, I thought he showed great mental strength. Let's hope Barton does not cave into fan pressure and bring back Belshaw next week.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 19, 2023 10:26:47 GMT
I am. And yet you're still the one coming off looking like more of a dick. Impressive. You’re confusing me with someone who gives a toss what a little gaggle of aging hand-wringing loser lefties think. I'm really not.
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