|
Post by baggins on Mar 12, 2023 13:37:23 GMT
Fairly sure you need a Passport to catch an Easyjet Flight. And the problem is ?? It's a hell of a lot cheaper to pay €60 for an Albanian passport than pay people smugglers. It's not as if the country is at war and they have to flee their homes in a hurry. That's 11,000 taken care of, what about the rest?
|
|
|
Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 12, 2023 13:55:41 GMT
And how do people feel when confronted with new ideas that may take time to understand when they are shouted down with calls of "RACIST!"? Having more tolerance or liberal views doesn't not make you suddenly need to die your hair green and get a nose piercing. The left really doesn't help itself. The anger and intolerance cuts both ways. Ummm...that, coming from you, makes me a bit uncomfortable. I am unsure of how I come across but if you depicted me as tolerant and liberal then I would be pleased (whilst knowing deep down I often fail), but I definitely have not pierced my nose or died my hair green. Lol, no I don't think that of you but my point stands that for every Gammon there is an SJW and neither side is helping.
|
|
|
Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 12, 2023 13:59:35 GMT
It’s not racist to want to stop immigration. Bristol is bizzare land when it comes to this topic. A lot of very rich people who aren’t affected by mass immigration. And on top of that as this is a forum you would expect it to be inhabited by mainly liberal types. Brexit was mainly a immigration debate imo and that means this forum mainly holds a minority view. Even though it doesn’t feel like it the way people are being ganged up on. BBC should always be impartial though and Linkekar was wrong. He should just be warned to keep his opinions to himself as others have done it in the past so it’s unfair to heavily punish him. But Brexit was 4 years ago and people change No-one can say whether it's a majority or minority view anymore . Secondly: Boris had a massive landslide over Corbyn of 10.5 % win back in 2019. According to opinion polls Labour are 26 points in front. And the Yougov own polling puts Labour ahead by 20% twice as many as Corbyn lost. I would never say minority or Majority because anything can happen. It's always been a two horse race and either side could get the upper hand quickly in politics. redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-5-march-2023/
|
|
|
Post by gasheadmichal on Mar 12, 2023 13:59:51 GMT
author=" francegas"]I don't get the argument that there are no legal routes for these people. Home Office Immigrant Statistics Sept 21 - Sept 22 1391... people came via the Refugee resettlement scheme 4786....via the refugee family reunion rules. 72027... Asylum applications submitted. 15987...Asylum given permission to stay rising to 17658 after appeal. In addition 144576...visas issued via the bespoke visa route for people from Hong Kong 186893...visas issued via the 2 Ukrainian schemes 12300...visas via the two schemes for Afghan nationals. So over 360,000 people found safe and legal routes to stay in the UK. Also 11,000 Albanians last year came across on boats . Isn't a €45 Easy Jet flight from Tirana to Gatwick a far safer and legal route to the UK and far cheaper than paying people smugglers 1000s to risk your life in a rubber dinghy. It's hard to understand why people choose or are forced to do it if you are not in the boat with them
|
|
|
Post by warehamgas on Mar 12, 2023 14:13:09 GMT
For information and clarity: I believe the ‘holocaust’ was a German policy developed at the Wannsee Conference in January 1941 when the higher level Nazis, those just below Himmler and Hitler met to develop the policy of exterminating the Jews. It set in train the next 4 years. Hideous. Some of those present and involved in the policy were members of local government and West German politics in the 1960s. Wannsee is a suburb of Berlin. UTG! Sorry to be a pedant but Wannsee was Jan 1942. I apologise you are correct. 👍 UTG!
|
|
|
Post by bluegas on Mar 12, 2023 14:33:15 GMT
Ummm...that, coming from you, makes me a bit uncomfortable. I am unsure of how I come across but if you depicted me as tolerant and liberal then I would be pleased (whilst knowing deep down I often fail), but I definitely have not pierced my nose or died my hair green. Lol, no I don't think that of you but my point stands that for every Gammon there is an SJW and neither side is helping. Thanks HTE.
|
|
|
Post by trevorgas on Mar 12, 2023 14:50:11 GMT
Very much not on subject,are you going to Shrewsbury Yatton?
|
|
|
Post by Tilly's Thighs on Mar 12, 2023 14:53:29 GMT
Reckon it's about time this and the Match of the Day thread were moved to General Chat. Agree, sad to see the Holier Than Thou attitude on a thread which was supposed to be debating Match of the Day. I actually didn't mind the mini version which we saw last night, maybe this will give the BBC the push they need to evaluate the quality of some of their pundits. Not every ex-sportsman/woman is a Gary Lineker, Chris Kamara or Sue Barker.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 15:02:11 GMT
|
|
|
Post by yattongas on Mar 12, 2023 15:37:05 GMT
Very much not on subject,are you going to Shrewsbury Yatton? Been there a few times before , always lost and you have to park miles from the ground , so thats a no ! Anyway going to the Cotswolds that weekend in the Moho.
|
|
|
Post by trevorgas on Mar 12, 2023 16:48:26 GMT
Very much not on subject,are you going to Shrewsbury Yatton? Been there a few times before , always lost and you have to park miles from the ground , so thats a no ! Anyway going to the Cotswolds that weekend in the Moho. Ah well enjoy the trip
|
|
|
Post by gaelgas on Mar 12, 2023 18:27:05 GMT
Oldie, I know you can see that the total failure of this government to deal with the issue is at the heart of the problem and the Home Secretary is beyond hope. But the problem has arisen that people feel a genuine concern at some of these economic migrants from all over coming here. They arrive in safe countries but want to come here. The government find a sympathetic press echoing their thoughts and of course this government now is clutching at any straw. But, and you’re right about what the Nazis did I think that was a lifetime away from what’s happening here. This country needs a grown up party that can recognise the problem and deal with it in a competent way so that those in genuine need can come here easily and quickly and those that don’t warrant it can’t. Until that happens the press and others will continue to fight amongst themselves. UTG! ps. We’re straying outside the realms of MOTD!! Agreed in part but this gov has manufactured this situation by not dealing with asylum claims ( look into the processing of applications and how they have nosedived in recent yrs) . There are NO legal ;routes for these people and comparatively we don’t take our fair share . It’s almost as if this current government wants this ‘crisis’ to stoke up cultural wars and wedge issues to deflect from all its multiple failings 🙄 There are no legal routes because they are not coming from unsafe countries, they are coming from France having travelled through umpteen other safe countries in the EU. I teach a lot of asylum seekers, they have come here directly from their own countries or countries close by, from situations in which they are unsafe, ALL of those crossing the channel have come from a safe country (unless you are suggesting that France is not safe). We don't allow French people to claim asylum so why would we allow Albanians, who are living in France, asylum? In addition do you believe that the people who are coming across are coming over for free or are they being fleeced by people traffickers?
|
|
|
Post by gaelgas on Mar 12, 2023 18:36:10 GMT
Ummm...that, coming from you, makes me a bit uncomfortable. I am unsure of how I come across but if you depicted me as tolerant and liberal then I would be pleased (whilst knowing deep down I often fail), but I definitely have not pierced my nose or died my hair green. Lol, no I don't think that of you but my point stands that for every Gammon there is an SJW and neither side is helping. This is spot on, if you are slightly to the right of Trotsky the SJWs accuse you of being a gammon or a fascist if your slightly to the left of Thatcher then the right wing accuse you of being a commie, neither is helpful.
|
|
|
Post by yattongas on Mar 12, 2023 18:52:14 GMT
Agreed in part but this gov has manufactured this situation by not dealing with asylum claims ( look into the processing of applications and how they have nosedived in recent yrs) . There are NO legal ;routes for these people and comparatively we don’t take our fair share . It’s almost as if this current government wants this ‘crisis’ to stoke up cultural wars and wedge issues to deflect from all its multiple failings 🙄 There are no legal routes because they are not coming from unsafe countries, they are coming from France having travelled through umpteen other safe countries in the EU. I teach a lot of asylum seekers, they have come here directly from their own countries or countries close by, from situations in which they are unsafe, ALL of those crossing the channel have come from a safe country (unless you are suggesting that France is not safe). We don't allow French people to claim asylum so why would we allow Albanians, who are living in France, asylum? In addition do you believe that the people who are coming across are coming over for free or are they being fleeced by people traffickers? So using your argument because there are safe countries between us and the likes of Syria, Afghanistan, Eritrea etc we (uk) don’t have to take any and it’s all down to other countries? Don’t you see that this is complete nonsense? The UK can wash its hands of any responsibility due to geography.
|
|
|
Post by gasgas3 on Mar 12, 2023 19:26:51 GMT
Linekaer is irrelevant as a facilitator of a football discussion. Get a new presenter that is current and understands the game in the last couple of years.
Same crap that other media and ex pros from yesteryear spout about the game.
Stand for a political position if you have a genuine view on a particular subject.
Washed up wanna be famous still, trying to keep himself in the limelight.
|
|
|
Post by Tilly's Thighs on Mar 13, 2023 12:41:59 GMT
Gary's back, so our communication with the BBC will be resumed! Was always going to happen with the BBC having live coverage of two FA Cup Quarter Finals next weekend.
|
|
|
Post by badengas on Mar 13, 2023 15:55:01 GMT
Gary's back, so our communication with the BBC will be resumed! Was always going to happen with the BBC having live coverage of two FA Cup Quarter Finals next weekend. Blimey Tilly. We are in the quarter finals, I'm very excited 😊
|
|
|
Post by dudelebowski on Mar 13, 2023 16:03:15 GMT
“If a guy from Eastern Europe arrives, he can’t speak the language, doesn’t have any money, doesn’t know anyone & takes your job on the first day….
You’re sH|t”
- Jimmy Carr
|
|
|
Post by Tilly's Thighs on Mar 13, 2023 16:39:00 GMT
Gary's back, so our communication with the BBC will be resumed! Was always going to happen with the BBC having live coverage of two FA Cup Quarter Finals next weekend. Blimey Tilly. We are in the quarter finals, I'm very excited 😊 Ha ha - maybe next season!
|
|
|
Post by gaelgas on Apr 6, 2023 20:21:08 GMT
There are no legal routes because they are not coming from unsafe countries, they are coming from France having travelled through umpteen other safe countries in the EU. I teach a lot of asylum seekers, they have come here directly from their own countries or countries close by, from situations in which they are unsafe, ALL of those crossing the channel have come from a safe country (unless you are suggesting that France is not safe). We don't allow French people to claim asylum so why would we allow Albanians, who are living in France, asylum? In addition do you believe that the people who are coming across are coming over for free or are they being fleeced by people traffickers? So using your argument because there are safe countries between us and the likes of Syria, Afghanistan, Eritrea etc we (uk) don’t have to take any and it’s all down to other countries? Don’t you see that this is complete nonsense? The UK can wash its hands of any responsibility due to geography. No I'm saying there are legal routes into the UK for asylum seekers and thousands take those routes, and we take them, unless you are suggesting I'm not teaching anyone? Our department has doubled in the last two years and we still have over a hundred on the waiting list and we are a relatively small college in a smallish town. I teach students from Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Eritrea,Sudan, El Salvador, Turkey, Belarus, Romania, Ukraine etc.
|
|