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Post by RD on Jan 21, 2015 16:11:57 GMT
But if you you go toe to toe with these people they have such huge resources they can outplay you. All that matters is that we have enough to take it to court. Their huge resources matter little in reality - sure a better lawyer will give them a better chance but, ultimately, if the contract IS water tight, it won't matter how much they spend on their lawyers as they WILL lose the case. I'm sure Sainsbury's have tried to scare us and out-muscle us - good on the board for standing their ground. |
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Post by Quartermaster on Jan 21, 2015 18:06:14 GMT
]The beauty of this as well is it would be nigh on impossible to police(not that's it's illegal), how the hell would they be able to tell who is who when wandering around the store filling the trolley with plenty of frozen food and deciding to use the toilet half way through the shop only to be unable to remember where they left their trolley. CCTV? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 18:14:29 GMT
]The beauty of this as well is it would be nigh on impossible to police(not that's it's illegal), how the hell would they be able to tell who is who when wandering around the store filling the trolley with plenty of frozen food and deciding to use the toilet half way through the shop only to be unable to remember where they left their trolley. CCTV? What for a trolley full of groceries....your avin a larf. |
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Post by Gastroenteritis on Jan 21, 2015 19:35:01 GMT
But if you you go toe to toe with these people they have such huge resources they can outplay you. All that matters is that we have enough to take it to court. Their huge resources matter little in reality - sure a better lawyer will give them a better chance but, ultimately, if the contract IS water tight, it won't matter how much they spend on their lawyers as they WILL lose the case. I'm sure Sainsbury's have tried to scare us and out-muscle us - good on the board for standing their ground. yeah but they can keep dragging it out until it becomes financially impossible for us to keep fighting it. Mark my words if we win in the high court, Sainsburys will appeal as many times as they are permitted which will drag this on for another year+. How long does or planning permission last? |
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Post by Mark Ash on Jan 21, 2015 20:34:00 GMT
What can I take for blood that's beginning to boil?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 21, 2015 20:46:31 GMT
All that matters is that we have enough to take it to court. Their huge resources matter little in reality - sure a better lawyer will give them a better chance but, ultimately, if the contract IS water tight, it won't matter how much they spend on their lawyers as they WILL lose the case. I'm sure Sainsbury's have tried to scare us and out-muscle us - good on the board for standing their ground. yeah but they can keep dragging it out until it becomes financially impossible for us to keep fighting it. Mark my words if we win in the high court, Sainsburys will appeal as many times as they are permitted which will drag this on for another year+. How long does or planning permission last? They can only appeal once to the Court of Appeal, even then they will have to have a good case, as I can't see even Sainsbury's pockets being deep enough to run a case to the House of Lords etc just to drag matters out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 20:53:02 GMT
yeah but they can keep dragging it out until it becomes financially impossible for us to keep fighting it. Mark my words if we win in the high court, Sainsburys will appeal as many times as they are permitted which will drag this on for another year+. How long does or planning permission last? They can only appeal once to the Court of Appeal, even then they will have to have a good case, as I can't see even Sainsbury's pockets being deep enough to run a case to the House of Lords etc just to drag matters out. The more I think about it the more I realize the board must be really sure of our case here. Let's hope our legal guys know what they're on about. |
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Post by Quartermaster on Jan 21, 2015 22:34:14 GMT
What for a trolley full of groceries....your avin a larf. The CCTV is already in place and most stores have a small, manned security post by the door. I can't see they'd have a lot of trouble identifying at least some people leaving trolleys of food in the aisles then leaving the store. Remember people shop locally, someone in store will put a name to some of the faces. Apart from store ban however I'm sure there's little else they could do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 6:33:18 GMT
Not sure what any of this would achieve tbh not being apathetic but who will we influence really? Only the judge and it won't come as a big surprise that rovers fans support the stadium. Also doing anything antisocial might sway their decision in the wrong direction andis negative publicity we don't need imo.
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Post by zulugas on Jan 22, 2015 9:08:14 GMT
Popped out a tweet yesterday about boycotting shamesburys and got a very mixed response. Plenty of Fav's & Retweets, but also some very negative responses from some Gasheads. "What difference will it make?" "Your not gonna achieve nothing" (yes i know, a double negative, that the type of person we have to deal with) "Stupid really, I like Sainsburys food and won't stop shopping there I also collect Nectar points" "They won't miss a few thousand pounds".
Unless we have a coordinated campaign on social media,such as #boycottsainsburys for instance i guess it won't have much impact, but i know for a fact that big companies are very sensitive to any negativity towards them on social media.
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Post by gheadray on Jan 22, 2015 9:18:59 GMT
Why not do something that gains publicity like arranging for hundreds of Gasheads in full colours turning up at one of there stores suddenly bursting out with good night Irene with a few banners and tipping off the local T V crews for a bit of publicity
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Post by Gashead73 on Jan 22, 2015 9:21:31 GMT
I do not shop in Shamesburys as a general rule but I think its best to see what unfolds before drastic action is taken.
I feel if action is taken by supporters right now it could well go against us!
Just my opinion.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 12:52:51 GMT
All that matters is that we have enough to take it to court. Their huge resources matter little in reality - sure a better lawyer will give them a better chance but, ultimately, if the contract IS water tight, it won't matter how much they spend on their lawyers as they WILL lose the case. I'm sure Sainsbury's have tried to scare us and out-muscle us - good on the board for standing their ground. yeah but they can keep dragging it out until it becomes financially impossible for us to keep fighting it. Mark my words if we win in the high court, Sainsburys will appeal as many times as they are permitted which will drag this on for another year+. How long does or planning permission last? This is the silent weapon they have on their side...TIME. They know the UWE has a timescale and delay after delay will put enormous pressure on us.They will use the time like a stick to beat us with. |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 22, 2015 17:54:51 GMT
Totally concur with the suggestion of loading trolleys and blocking car parks, anything that is on the right side of the law and wholly disruptive to Sainsburys profits will hurt more as the management of each store will be aware that it is a form of protest. I doubt that anywhere near 10k Rovers fans shop in Sainsburys or ever have done, I don't think blocking up the checkouts is fair when it would inconvenience other shoppers, many of who would be elderly and infirm, BUT think of the impact of a random flash mob of Rovers fans circa 200 casually walking into a Sainsburys staggered every 30 minutes or so, loading trollies then abandoning them in the aisle. Tell you what, just one of those incidences would cause mayhem for a store and news would reach the top in no time at all, pretty damn sure that if this sort of actions were to take place over a few weeks that Sainsburys legal team would be a damn sight more efficient in getting around the table with Mr Higgs. The beauty of this as well is it would be nigh on impossible to police(not that's it's illegal), how the hell would they be able to tell who is who when wandering around the store filling the trolley with plenty of frozen food and deciding to use the toilet half way through the shop only to be unable to remember where they left their trolley. If each Rovers fan did this once in three different stores this would be a nightmare for them. 5000 fans x 2 visits over a 4 week period = 10,000 trollies filled with goods left abandoned approx £100 worth of food in each trolley. It could be called the million pound plop, there's a phrase for the Bristol Post hacks 'Gasheads drop Sainsburys in million pound plop scandal'. I like that ! How about having a mass drive into their service stations and taking up every pump. Each car takes delivery of £1 of fuel then, hey presto the cars wont start and remain on the forecourts for several hours. |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 22, 2015 17:57:39 GMT
Not sure what any of this would achieve tbh not being apathetic but who will we influence really? Only the judge and it won't come as a big surprise that rovers fans support the stadium. Also doing anything antisocial might sway their decision in the wrong direction andis negative publicity we don't need imo. I'm pretty sure there no criminal activity involved in this course of action. No food has been stolen," Oh sorry, I've forgotten my wallet". Because you've removed something from a shelf doesn't mean you're responsible for replacing it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 18:21:29 GMT
Not sure what any of this would achieve tbh not being apathetic but who will we influence really? Only the judge and it won't come as a big surprise that rovers fans support the stadium. Also doing anything antisocial might sway their decision in the wrong direction andis negative publicity we don't need imo. I'm pretty sure there no criminal activity involved in this course of action. No food has been stolen," Oh sorry, I've forgotten my wallet". Because you've removed something from a shelf doesn't mean you're responsible for replacing it. I'm pretty sure if you deliberately set out to allow food to spoil then you may be held responsible. |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 22, 2015 18:49:09 GMT
I'm pretty sure there no criminal activity involved in this course of action. No food has been stolen," Oh sorry, I've forgotten my wallet". Because you've removed something from a shelf doesn't mean you're responsible for replacing it. I'm pretty sure if you deliberately set out to allow food to spoil then you may be held responsible. How do you go about proving "Deliberate"? Customer has a trolley full of intended purchases. Approaches a member of staff and says "I'm terribly sorry, how very foolish of me, I seem to have left my wallet at home and therefore won't be able to pay for my selection. Thought I ought to tell you. Once again, awfully sorry, here's the trolley, goodbye" Theoretical I know, but there's not a damn thing they could do about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 19:10:41 GMT
Yes. That's ok, but others were talking about just leaving stuff. Personally I don't see how that is going to help us though.
I think a petition or raising the issue in social media or the press would be much preferable than any kind of negative direct action.
We must ensure that the club and its fans are above reproach. We are the victims here. To do anything that may upset or inconvenience anyone is counter productive.
I strongly believe we should be led by the Club on what the best course of action we can undertake to support them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 19:28:07 GMT
Yes. That's ok, but others were talking about just leaving stuff. Personally I don't see how that is going to help us though. I think a petition or raising the issue in social media or the press would be much preferable than any kind of negative direct action. We must ensure that the club and its fans are above reproach. We are the victims here. To do anything that may upset or inconvenience anyone is counter productive. I strongly believe we should be led by the Club on what the best course of action we can undertake to support them.What if the club could use the vocal support but are legally required not to weigh in? Did a court proceeding stop TRASH making petitions? |
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Post by lincsblue on Jan 22, 2015 20:02:10 GMT
All that matters is that we have enough to take it to court. Their huge resources matter little in reality - sure a better lawyer will give them a better chance but, ultimately, if the contract IS water tight, it won't matter how much they spend on their lawyers as they WILL lose the case. I'm sure Sainsbury's have tried to scare us and out-muscle us - good on the board for standing their ground. yeah but they can keep dragging it out until it becomes financially impossible for us to keep fighting it. Mark my words if we win in the high court, Sainsburys will appeal as many times as they are permitted which will drag this on for another year+. How long does or planning permission last? An appeal can only be granted on the grounds that something unlawful ocurred in initial or case, or new overwhelming evidence has come to light (eg, not something that they just forgot to mention) |
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