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Post by gasoline on Jan 20, 2015 19:09:11 GMT
From the outside looking in, it appears that Sainsbury's are using their financial muscle to try to walk away from a binding contract with a small company (us).
I am sure they do this all the time with suppliers etc, the one difference with a football club is that this company has thousands of stakeholders.
Is there any value in us starting a petition to leavarage this unique position? Perhaps we say we will boycott their stores until they honour the contract? 10k people boycotting their stores may make them listen considering the current retail environment?
If people think it's a goer, we could run past BSS to ensure it would not be detrimental to the hearing before starting, just feels like we should be doing something!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 19:48:56 GMT
I think we should wait for directions from the Club for this sort of thing. Could be a bad move otherwise.
On a personal note I have not shopped in Sainsburys since they started trying shaft us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 19:55:31 GMT
From the outside looking in, it appears that Sainsbury's are using their financial muscle to try to walk away from a binding contract with a small company (us). I am sure they do this all the time with suppliers etc, the one difference with a football club is that this company has thousands of stakeholders. Is there any value in us starting a petition to leavarage this unique position? Perhaps we say we will boycott their stores until they honour the contract? 10k people boycotting their stores may make them listen considering the current retail environment? If people think it's a goer, we could run past BSS to ensure it would not be detrimental to the hearing before starting, just feels like we should be doing something! I'm not claiming inside knowledge here by any stretch of the imagination but I have a mate who works for the Tories on South Glos council who I badger for information constantly. He said the impression he got was that they were very concerned about saving face in the area, hence the delivery hours excuse. It's certainly worth making a big fuss I'd say, we don't want to wonder what could have been.
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Post by gasincider on Jan 20, 2015 19:58:56 GMT
Agree with Hugo. Besides, what will you accuse Shamesburys of?
They haven't refused to pay up since we completed our bit of the contract. We have issued proceedings in order to expedite things. They could pay up prior to the hearing or on the way out, or indeed any time up to the main hearing.
All they have said was before our last writ, and nothing since unless I have missed something. Apologies if I have.
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Post by gasoline on Jan 20, 2015 19:59:31 GMT
I think we should wait for directions from the Club for this sort of thing. Could be a bad move otherwise. On a personal note I have not shopped in Sainsburys since they started trying shaft us. In terms of the not shopping at Sainsbury's point, nor have I which is what prompted the idea. If there's more of us, why not formailse it and tell them - would certainly have more of an impact than us all doing it silently.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 20:08:36 GMT
Agree with Hugo. Besides, what will you accuse Shamesburys of? They haven't refused to pay up since we completed our bit of the contract. We have issued proceedings in order to expedite things. They could pay up prior to the hearing or on the way out, or indeed any time up to the main hearing. All they have said was before our last writ, and nothing since unless I have missed something. Apologies if I have. Deliberately dragging their feet on a deal that they have formally agreed with us and which is likely crucial to our future prosperity.
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Post by gasoline on Jan 20, 2015 20:11:22 GMT
Agree with Hugo. Besides, what will you accuse Shamesburys of? They haven't refused to pay up since we completed our bit of the contract. We have issued proceedings in order to expedite things. They could pay up prior to the hearing or on the way out, or indeed any time up to the main hearing. All they have said was before our last writ, and nothing since unless I have missed something. Apologies if I have. Not proposing to make accusations. Broad premise would be;- - we believe Sainsbury's and Bristol Rovers entered into a contract in good faith - we believe that Sainsbury's are not fulfilling their contractual obligations - we believe that they are using their position of power as a big corporation over a small company whereby they believe we will not have the financial power to enforce them to fulfil their obligation - as such, as a stakeholder in that small company, I will no longer shop at their stores until they have fulfilled their obligations Signed by 10,000 people, who would on average spend £10 per week there, sums £5.2 million per annum which is enough for them to care.
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Post by empirebaypete on Jan 20, 2015 20:12:56 GMT
I think we should wait for directions from the Club for this sort of thing. Could be a bad move otherwise. On a personal note I have not shopped in Sainsburys since they started trying shaft us. In terms of the not shopping at Sainsbury's point, nor have I which is what prompted the idea. If there's more of us, why not formailse it and tell them - would certainly have more of an impact than us all doing it silently. Because in all honesty they won't give a sh**. So a few Gasheads refuse to shop there. They really wouldn't care. Probably just as many Sh1!heads will start shopping there. You'd be better off going there and filling up a trolley with food, and then walking off and leaving it. Or organising a 100 or so people to turn up at a particular Sainsbury store and drive around the car park..... slowly so as to disrupt things. Childish I know but hey ho........
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 20, 2015 20:34:33 GMT
I think we should wait for directions from the Club for this sort of thing. Could be a bad move otherwise. On a personal note I have not shopped in Sainsburys since they started trying shaft us. I can't see the club, or the fans director, formally saying yes you can protest, as that may not go down well with any pending court action? However as this forum, along with the IF, are not officially connected to the club there is nothing wrong with us deciding amongst ourselves as independent BRFC supporters to start our own protest but refusing to shop at Sainsbury's and encouraging friends & family in Bristol to do likewise. It may have no effect whatsoever then again if say 25% of Rovers fans along with their families no longer shop there it may have some impact plus we may also get some important media coverage, which is probably the last thing Sainsbury's want at present? Slightly off at a different angle but what's happened to Charlotte Leslie??
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Post by dragonfly on Jan 20, 2015 21:57:45 GMT
I have also shunned Sainsbury to the tune of some £2000 pa which now goes to their main competitors. If 10,000 of us did similarly this would equate to £20 million which set against their yearly pre tax profit of £230 million (I believe) would hurt them. So yes we should consider drawing attention to this after consulting with BSS.
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Post by blackthorngas on Jan 20, 2015 23:22:07 GMT
Maybe more direct action,play them at their own game. As many of us as possible should go into their stores,load up our trollies,wait for all the items to be rung through the checkout then say " sorry - changed my mind" Apparently this is acceptable behaviour.
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Post by Fetch on Jan 20, 2015 23:37:17 GMT
Que Será, Será, whatever will be, will be. We're building the UWE. Que Será, Será.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 23:57:31 GMT
Totally concur with the suggestion of loading trolleys and blocking car parks, anything that is on the right side of the law and wholly disruptive to Sainsburys profits will hurt more as the management of each store will be aware that it is a form of protest.
I doubt that anywhere near 10k Rovers fans shop in Sainsburys or ever have done, I don't think blocking up the checkouts is fair when it would inconvenience other shoppers, many of who would be elderly and infirm, BUT think of the impact of a random flash mob of Rovers fans circa 200 casually walking into a Sainsburys staggered every 30 minutes or so, loading trollies then abandoning them in the aisle.
Tell you what, just one of those incidences would cause mayhem for a store and news would reach the top in no time at all, pretty damn sure that if this sort of actions were to take place over a few weeks that Sainsburys legal team would be a damn sight more efficient in getting around the table with Mr Higgs.
The beauty of this as well is it would be nigh on impossible to police(not that's it's illegal), how the hell would they be able to tell who is who when wandering around the store filling the trolley with plenty of frozen food and deciding to use the toilet half way through the shop only to be unable to remember where they left their trolley.
If each Rovers fan did this once in three different stores this would be a nightmare for them.
5000 fans x 2 visits over a 4 week period = 10,000 trollies filled with goods left abandoned approx £100 worth of food in each trolley.
It could be called the million pound plop, there's a phrase for the Bristol Post hacks 'Gasheads drop Sainsburys in million pound plop scandal'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 7:07:49 GMT
Totally concur with the suggestion of loading trolleys and blocking car parks, anything that is on the right side of the law and wholly disruptive to Sainsburys profits will hurt more as the management of each store will be aware that it is a form of protest. I doubt that anywhere near 10k Rovers fans shop in Sainsburys or ever have done, I don't think blocking up the checkouts is fair when it would inconvenience other shoppers, many of who would be elderly and infirm, BUT think of the impact of a random flash mob of Rovers fans circa 200 casually walking into a Sainsburys staggered every 30 minutes or so, loading trollies then abandoning them in the aisle. Tell you what, just one of those incidences would cause mayhem for a store and news would reach the top in no time at all, pretty damn sure that if this sort of actions were to take place over a few weeks that Sainsburys legal team would be a damn sight more efficient in getting around the table with Mr Higgs. The beauty of this as well is it would be nigh on impossible to police(not that's it's illegal), how the hell would they be able to tell who is who when wandering around the store filling the trolley with plenty of frozen food and deciding to use the toilet half way through the shop only to be unable to remember where they left their trolley. If each Rovers fan did this once in three different stores this would be a nightmare for them. 5000 fans x 2 visits over a 4 week period = 10,000 trollies filled with goods left abandoned approx £100 worth of food in each trolley. It could be called the million pound plop, there's a phrase for the Bristol Post hacks 'Gasheads drop Sainsburys in million pound plop scandal'. I like that !
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Post by blackthorngas on Jan 21, 2015 7:08:58 GMT
Anyone know where we could get a massive banner made,and how much it would cost? "Sainsburys.. Try something new.... honour your word" We could tour this round all their local stores. If we stand on the pavement at the entrance to their car park surely they wouldn't be able to move us ,and it would cause maximum publicity.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 14:49:10 GMT
wandering around the store filling the trolley with plenty of frozen food and deciding to use the toilet half way through the shop only to be unable to remember where they left their trolley. Ha Ha this made me laugh out loud. Brilliant.
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Post by lympstonegas on Jan 21, 2015 15:08:52 GMT
Totally concur with the suggestion of loading trolleys and blocking car parks, anything that is on the right side of the law and wholly disruptive to Sainsburys profits will hurt more as the management of each store will be aware that it is a form of protest. I doubt that anywhere near 10k Rovers fans shop in Sainsburys or ever have done, I don't think blocking up the checkouts is fair when it would inconvenience other shoppers, many of who would be elderly and infirm, BUT think of the impact of a random flash mob of Rovers fans circa 200 casually walking into a Sainsburys staggered every 30 minutes or so, loading trollies then abandoning them in the aisle. Tell you what, just one of those incidences would cause mayhem for a store and news would reach the top in no time at all, pretty damn sure that if this sort of actions were to take place over a few weeks that Sainsburys legal team would be a damn sight more efficient in getting around the table with Mr Higgs. The beauty of this as well is it would be nigh on impossible to police(not that's it's illegal), how the hell would they be able to tell who is who when wandering around the store filling the trolley with plenty of frozen food and deciding to use the toilet half way through the shop only to be unable to remember where they left their trolley. If each Rovers fan did this once in three different stores this would be a nightmare for them. 5000 fans x 2 visits over a 4 week period = 10,000 trollies filled with goods left abandoned approx £100 worth of food in each trolley. It could be called the million pound plop, there's a phrase for the Bristol Post hacks 'Gasheads drop Sainsburys in million pound plop scandal'. Would need to be trollies full of frozen or fresh food like cream yoghurt milk cheese etc to have maximum affect in loss of profits - Whilst not all Rovers fans shop in Sainsburys there is nothing to stop those that don't make a special trip to Sainsburys to do a Gas Trolley Dash lol
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Post by alasitsgas on Jan 21, 2015 15:30:10 GMT
There was an article on radio 4 about another supermarket chain walking away from opening new stores. If my memory serves it was about 48 stores. In some cases they actually built the store and never opened it and in some small towns actually bulldozed the local shops such as butchers etc and then decided to abandon opening the store.I believe the local councillor wish they had not set eyes on this chain.They have so much power they can do exactly what they want to do because the laws are made in their favour. I hasten to add the above was not our present partners. The problem as I see it the supermarkets have been over charging us for years the only fact was you could buy everything in one place. Now of course Aldi and Lidl's have cut prices and money being short this has kicked the bigger boys right up the arse. In reality I think Sainsbury will walk away with as little compensation as possible. Wake Up at the Back!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 15:48:28 GMT
The board have promised us its a watertight contract that can't be walked out of. Lets wait and see if they are correct before doing anything drastic.
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Post by alasitsgas on Jan 21, 2015 16:04:54 GMT
Supermarkets can walk into and out of any contract they wish.I don't know the figures but they make so much money it would cover the cost of the Rovers project in a week.But if you you go toe to toe with these people they have such huge resources they can outplay you.
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