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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 9:13:00 GMT
Hey, they could not have bothered and we could have gone bust! That would have pleased some people I guess ? Or they could be more honest and let stakeholders know why a director resigned and demanded the repayment of his loans, and I presume withdrew his guarantees inherent in the going concern element of last years accounts. By the way the SC, through its shareholding and directorships has a right to that information, legally, and members of the SC have a right to that information, legally. And, the club is potentially bust if directors guarantees are withdrawn, or the Sainsburys contract is declared void. But lets not look at the facts, lets all march by and salute the great leader. I thought it was common knowledge that a Director had resigned due to health problems, and that whenever a Director left the club any loans he/she had outstanding were paid up? I don't think anybody demanded anything, which you are well aware of. So why do you persist in writing this nonsense? Let's not look at the facts eh?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 9:15:46 GMT
Or they could be more honest and let stakeholders know why a director resigned and demanded the repayment of his loans, and I presume withdrew his guarantees inherent in the going concern element of last years accounts. By the way the SC, through its shareholding and directorships has a right to that information, legally, and members of the SC have a right to that information, legally. And, the club is potentially bust if directors guarantees are withdrawn, or the Sainsburys contract is declared void. But lets not look at the facts, lets all march by and salute the great leader. I thought it was common knowledge that a Director had resigned due to health problems, and that whenever a Director left the club any loans he/she had outstanding were paid up? I don't think anybody demanded anything, which you are well aware of. So why do you persist in writing this nonsense? Let's not look at the facts eh? Did GD say he resigned for health reasons?
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Post by newmarketgas on Mar 4, 2015 9:21:00 GMT
How many users of this or any other Rovers forum have a spare million or so in the bank ? Some must have, as they always know all the 'facts' of how to run any business and know so much more than our board members. Come on guys, put some of that spare cash in and buy the club.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 9:25:25 GMT
How many users of this or any other Rovers forum have a spare million or so in the bank ? Some must have, as they always know all the 'facts' of how to run any business and know so much more than our board members. Come on guys, put some of that spare cash in and buy the club. I'm not a vet but I know not to put my knob in a lions mouth.
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Post by newmarketgas on Mar 4, 2015 9:27:09 GMT
Yes Hugo, but would you tell a vet how to treat a very sick animal ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 9:30:49 GMT
If I felt the vet was incompetent or making obviously big mistakes and not getting basics right then maybe I might suggest some things, yeah.
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Post by casey12a on Mar 4, 2015 9:32:15 GMT
Yes Hugo, but would you tell a vet how to treat a very sick animal ? I wondered how long that would take. You can't afford to buy the club so you can't have an opinion and must bow down to the great leader.
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Post by newmarketgas on Mar 4, 2015 9:33:06 GMT
And the animal dies because of your so called facts ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 9:48:16 GMT
The thing is, I'm not a pro footballer either yet I have plenty to say about the 1st team too. If the dissenters are all bitter and twisted with an anti board agenda, I would rather debate that and them be publicly ridiculed than have them shut up. (Im being flippant) However, much worse would be that some of them may be just regular Rovers fans who are rightly?? concerned. My worry is that this loan may be the one that finishes us off. Just because Oldie and Holmes for example are know long time board dissenters, doesn't make them wrong this time. Sadly. I don't know about the circumstances of GD departing and the repayment of his investment/loans so its interesting. I will say I don't understand how you can run a football club risk free. It appears owners "invest" money, fail then get their money back at the end. That can't be right surely? Do I have this wrong?? If I invested in a company and failed to run it well I'd lose all my money wouldn't I? Or have our Directors put a lot (and lost a lot) of their own money?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 9:52:19 GMT
And the animal dies because of your so called facts ? Now we're talking! If people sling muck without backing it up they'll look silly. Same goes for the so called nodding dogs. The facts need clearing up so we can make an informed judgement. Sadly I doubt we'll ever get them.
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Post by gasincider on Mar 4, 2015 9:52:44 GMT
I think some of you people who know better than everyone else should depart to the other site where your like minded colleagues who have nothing to add play around.
In the mean time, in the real world, Rovers needed to fund the upcoming court case and therefore had to cast out a net to catch the best available rates that a low level football club could attract. So we are where we are.
It is obvious now that we are going for the full settlement and not a halfway house. And we have to be able to meet the appropriate costings. Obviously this is a big gamble, but it's also obvious that whatever choice is made as to how to proceed the usual pathetic attempts to slag off everyone concerned would arise.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 9:56:14 GMT
I think some of you people who know better than everyone else should depart to the other site where your like minded colleagues who have nothing to add play around. In the mean time, in the real world, Rovers needed to fund the upcoming court case and therefore had to cast out a net to catch the best available rates that a low level football club could attract. So we are where we are. It is obvious now that we are going for the full settlement and not a halfway house. And we have to be able to meet the appropriate costings. Obviously this is a big gamble, but it's also obvious that whatever choice is made as to how to proceed the usual pathetic attempts to slag off everyone concerned would arise. I think you are right. Do you think it was worth the risk? I'm not so sure myself but then I was never any good a poker.
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Post by Mark Ash on Mar 4, 2015 10:05:20 GMT
The thing is, I'm not a pro footballer either yet I have plenty to say about the 1st team too. If the dissenters are all bitter and twisted with an anti board agenda, I would rather debate that and them be publicly ridiculed than have them shut up. (Im being flippant) However, much worse would be that some of them may be just regular Rovers fans who are rightly?? concerned. My worry is that this loan may be the one that finishes us off. Just because Oldie and Holmes for example are know long time board dissenters, doesn't make them wrong this time. Sadly. I don't know about the circumstances of GD departing and the repayment of his investment/loans so its interesting. I will say I don't understand how you can run a football club risk free. It appears owners "invest" money, fail then get their money back at the end. That can't be right surely? Do I have this wrong?? If I invested in a company and failed to run it well I'd lose all my money wouldn't I? Or have our Directors put a lot (and lost a lot) of their own money? That is a very good point Hugo. I suppose it might be argued that a football club (except at the top end of the ladder) is not really a business in which people invest in the hope of making a profit. I doubt if any of the Dragons would say, "I'm in" to Bristol Rovers or any of our rivals. Presumably people invest because they want to help the club or they want the status. The trouble may be that, when it comes to it, they don't want to help quite enough. Depends how many millions they've got to burn, I suppose. It would be nice if they could run the club within its means, but maybe that's incompatible with what we all regard as success.
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Post by casey12a on Mar 4, 2015 10:09:38 GMT
I think some of you people who know better than everyone else should depart to the other site where your like minded colleagues who have nothing to add play around. In the mean time, in the real world, Rovers needed to fund the upcoming court case and therefore had to cast out a net to catch the best available rates that a low level football club could attract. So we are where we are. It is obvious now that we are going for the full settlement and not a halfway house. And we have to be able to meet the appropriate costings. Obviously this is a big gamble, but it's also obvious that whatever choice is made as to how to proceed the usual pathetic attempts to slag off everyone concerned would arise. I genuinely believe that 99.9% of posters on this forum want the best for Rovers, people criticise the board because of a fear that the club may go out of business or shrink in its importance due to being a non league club long term. We see other clubs being run better than ours and wonder why and question why the same think can’t happen here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 10:11:56 GMT
The thing is, I'm not a pro footballer either yet I have plenty to say about the 1st team too. If the dissenters are all bitter and twisted with an anti board agenda, I would rather debate that and them be publicly ridiculed than have them shut up. (Im being flippant) However, much worse would be that some of them may be just regular Rovers fans who are rightly?? concerned. My worry is that this loan may be the one that finishes us off. Just because Oldie and Holmes for example are know long time board dissenters, doesn't make them wrong this time. Sadly. I don't know about the circumstances of GD departing and the repayment of his investment/loans so its interesting. I will say I don't understand how you can run a football club risk free. It appears owners "invest" money, fail then get their money back at the end. That can't be right surely? Do I have this wrong?? If I invested in a company and failed to run it well I'd lose all my money wouldn't I? Or have our Directors put a lot (and lost a lot) of their own money? That is a very good point Hugo. I suppose it might be argued that a football club (except at the top end of the ladder) is not really a business in which people invest in the hope of making a profit. I doubt if any of the Dragons would say, "I'm in" to Bristol Rovers or any of our rivals. Presumably people invest because they want to help the club or they want the status. The trouble may be that, when it comes to it, they don't want to help quite enough. Depends how many millions they've got to burn, I suppose. It would be nice if they could run the club within its means, but maybe that's incompatible with what we all regard as success. But that's my genuine question Mark. How much have our BOD actually spent when every time one leaves they get all their "loans" paid back. Loans that presumably were being paid at some level of interest? Have any of them actually lost any of their own money? Hats off and much respect if they have.
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Post by newmarketgas on Mar 4, 2015 10:13:11 GMT
If some are 'rose tinters' and 'nodding dogs' what are the moaners called ? I like 'poop tinters' but they don't like that one !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 10:15:43 GMT
Used to be Negs and Tinters on the OF I think.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 10:16:21 GMT
How about Tinters and Shinters?
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Post by CheshireGas on Mar 4, 2015 10:26:41 GMT
It sounds like the evening of nodding dogs went as well as could be expected. Yes it did thankyou ! Henbury looks like you were there. Was there anything of interest mentioned?
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Post by Mark Ash on Mar 4, 2015 10:28:43 GMT
That is a very good point Hugo. I suppose it might be argued that a football club (except at the top end of the ladder) is not really a business in which people invest in the hope of making a profit. I doubt if any of the Dragons would say, "I'm in" to Bristol Rovers or any of our rivals. Presumably people invest because they want to help the club or they want the status. The trouble may be that, when it comes to it, they don't want to help quite enough. Depends how many millions they've got to burn, I suppose. It would be nice if they could run the club within its means, but maybe that's incompatible with what we all regard as success. But that's my genuine question Mark. How much have our BOD actually spent when every time one leaves they get all their "loans" paid back. Loans that presumably were being paid at some level of interest? Have any of them actually lost any of their own money? Hats off and much respect if they have. I have no idea. This is at the heart of why football is no kind of business for ordinary clubs. People fund the "purchase" and employment of players who could even be successful on the pitch but do not necessarily generate greater profits unless they are sold, at which point the risk begins again. Few clubs can be successful for long. I would say that it's the clubs' own fault for paying excessive wages to players, but I'm not sure that's always true at our level. I believe some of ours are on about £25,000 pa(?) which hardly seems fantastic. Although some may be on double that, maybe. (From what I gather in the gloom of my ignorance in these matters.) Our situation looks very scary to me. It must all hang on Sainsbury's. If the UWE happens, I expect investors will be leaping forth. Plenty of kudos to be gained there.
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