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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 15:27:31 GMT
It was a smoke bomb, not a flare! Smoke bombs are harmless whilst a flare get hot and can burn. So can a sparkler but we accept the risk when we hand one to our kids on guy fawkes no?
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Post by mehewmagic on Apr 28, 2015 16:05:13 GMT
Rad? that takes me back. Haven't heard that since the skate park at Arnos' Vale in the 1980's, drinking Tizer and wondering why my Dad crushed up some fags my elder brother had hidden!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 16:32:33 GMT
Rad? that takes me back. Haven't heard that since the skate park at Arnos' Vale in the 1980's, drinking Tizer and wondering why my Dad crushed up some fags my elder brother had hidden! Yeah, not really sure why I decided to use that word. For my next trick I shall bring back tubular.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 28, 2015 16:58:59 GMT
It was a smoke bomb, not a flare! Smoke bombs are harmless whilst a flare get hot and can burn. So can a sparkler but we accept the risk when we hand one to our kids on guy fawkes no? Difference is you can walk away from a sparkler in your garden, it's not quite so easy on packed terracing. It does worry you what our fan base is like if posters think it's in order to let off smoke bombs inside the ground!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 17:11:20 GMT
So can a sparkler but we accept the risk when we hand one to our kids on guy fawkes no? Difference is you can walk away from a sparkler in your garden, it's not quite so easy on packed terracing. It does worry you what our fan base is like if posters think it's in order to let off smoke bombs inside the ground! There were three other sides of the ground where flares weren't being let off. Maybe you should give them a try m'lurd.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 17:21:10 GMT
So can a sparkler but we accept the risk when we hand one to our kids on guy fawkes no? Difference is you can walk away from a sparkler in your garden, it's not quite so easy on packed terracing. It does worry you what our fan base is like if posters think it's in order to let off smoke bombs inside the ground! I'm not asking you to change your opinion on whether you like flares aesthetically, just to consider how often they're used without incident in football throughout the world. Obviously we don't hear about those times.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 17:27:50 GMT
Why do I feel like we're moments away from someone coming on the forum saying "TWAS I WHO LIT THE FLARE. I DID IT FOR THE PASH." In the style of the bloke who ran on at Eastleigh?
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Post by Mark Ash on Apr 29, 2015 12:22:17 GMT
As I've said before, fans in Scotland are now imprisoned for singing traditional unkind songs. They have a more intolerant govt. than in England, but the steady criminalising of every form of dissent or unapproved act continues here too. Football fans in particular are despised by our rulers as working-class scum who must be re-educated and conditioned. It's working. Soon we'll be turning on each other for swearing in case we get told off.
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Post by peterparker on Apr 29, 2015 12:32:58 GMT
As I've said before, fans in Scotland are now imprisoned for singing traditional unkind songs. They have a more intolerant govt. than in England, but the steady criminalising of every form of dissent or unapproved act continues here too. Football fans in particular are despised by our rulers as working-class scum who must be re-educated and conditioned. It's working. Soon we'll be turning on each other for swearing in case we get told off. Genuine question unkind songs or Sectarian bollox?
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Post by Mark Ash on Apr 29, 2015 12:34:14 GMT
As I've said before, fans in Scotland are now imprisoned for singing traditional unkind songs. They have a more intolerant govt. than in England, but the steady criminalising of every form of dissent or unapproved act continues here too. Football fans in particular are despised by our rulers as working-class scum who must be re-educated and conditioned. It's working. Soon we'll be turning on each other for swearing in case we get told off. Genuine question unkind songs or Sectarian bollox? Sectarian bollox: very unkind. But songs, not rocks.
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Post by curlywurly on Apr 29, 2015 12:42:57 GMT
"Rookie police taught sectarian songs before this weekend’s Old Firm match Daily Record 28 January 2015 OFFICERS who have never policed a powder keg match between the ancient rivals have been learning the words to hate songs. ROOKIE police are being taught sectarian songs before this weekend’s Old Firm match. Officers who have never policed a powder keg match between the ancient rivals have been learning the words to hate songs favoured by bigots on both sides of the divide, it's emerged today. Police Scotland have said they won’t tolerate any form of bad behaviour either before, during or after the match, and have vowed to arrest anyone caught singing sectarian songs or who is involved in violence. In December 2011, a list of banned songs was produced by authorities. They ruled that a number of them were sectarian, and banned fans across Scotland from belting them out. Songs banned include the Billy Boys and The Famine Song, as well as Glasgow Celtic IRA, and the Ibrox Disaster Song. Any songs which refer to dead players, including Celtic winger Johnny Doyle, or Rangers legend Davie Cooper have also been outlawed. Both players died tragically at a young age, but following their deaths, found themselves the subject of hate-filled songs. A source said: “All fans will know the songs they are not allowed to sing - most of them are for obvious reasons, for example glorifying terrorism, or are extremely offensive to opposing fans. “The tunes and words have been explained to officers so they know what they are listening out for.“There will be a zero tolerance approach. If you sing songs which have been deemed to be sectarian or offensive, you will find yourself in a prison cell.” Songs which have been deemed acceptable are The Fields Of Athenry and The Soldiers’ Song, both favoured by Celtic fans, as well as Rangers fans’ anthems The Sash and The Cry Is No Surrender." Police Scotland top brass have refused to say how many officers they will have on duty, but extra numbers have been draughted in over fears the 1.30pm kick off will allow fans time to drink before the match, which they fear could possibly fuel trouble." I know it is a serious subject, but am I the only one who sees the humour in handing out a song sheet to rookie police and the Sergeant doing his best to keep in tune
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Post by Mark Ash on Apr 29, 2015 12:52:19 GMT
No, curlywurly, you are not alone: it is funny, but sinister at the same time. Football grounds are not the High Street or the workplace or the school playground. They are places where, for decades, fans have been able to let off steam with ritual insults, which 99% of those who attend accept as part of the culture. Some of the songs are vile and I don't like them, but criminalising them is like arresting someone for booing at the witch in Snow White.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 12:55:39 GMT
No, curlywurly, you are not alone: it is funny, but sinister at the same time. Football grounds are not the High Street or the workplace or the school playground. They are places where, for decades, fans have been able to let off steam with ritual insults, which 99% of those who attend accept as part of the culture. Some of the songs are vile and I don't like them, but criminalising them is like arresting someone for booing at the witch in Snow White. I take offence to that. It's not witch, its "differently magicked"
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Post by Mark Ash on Apr 29, 2015 13:01:57 GMT
No, curlywurly, you are not alone: it is funny, but sinister at the same time. Football grounds are not the High Street or the workplace or the school playground. They are places where, for decades, fans have been able to let off steam with ritual insults, which 99% of those who attend accept as part of the culture. Some of the songs are vile and I don't like them, but criminalising them is like arresting someone for booing at the witch in Snow White. I take offence to that. It's not witch, its "differently magicked" :)I'm guessing you jest, Hugo. However, we do live in a society that has people who call themselves witches, with a straight face. They are sometimes interviewed by the BBC and treated with great seriousness and respect. I'd ask them to do a spell and if they couldn't do it, give them a spell in prison instead of the people who are in there for singing government-unapproved songs. All right, I wouldn't really imprison them. Dotty old dears. Good luck to them. Or perhaps they don't need it?
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Post by curlywurly on Apr 29, 2015 13:06:35 GMT
In a twisted, nostalgic way I do yearn for the days that fires were regularly lit on the Tote End, games around 5th November would have rockets whizzing from one terrace to another and we could sing and say exactly what we wanted.
Different world now.
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Post by Mark Ash on Apr 29, 2015 13:08:45 GMT
No, curlywurly, you are not alone: it is funny, but sinister at the same time. Football grounds are not the High Street or the workplace or the school playground. They are places where, for decades, fans have been able to let off steam with ritual insults, which 99% of those who attend accept as part of the culture. Some of the songs are vile and I don't like them, but criminalising them is like arresting someone for booing at the witch in Snow White. Incidentally, when my wife was eight, she was hauled out of the London Palladium for shouting "Boom-boom" at Basil Brush in a quiet moment. He replied, 'Woooo-oooo!' but his good humour couldn't save her. One of those who ran the coach trip took her out and she had to stay in the coach for the rest of the panto. I guess all that has changed is that we are all at the mercy of such people now - children and adults. Or am I just in a bad mood?
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Post by LJG on Apr 29, 2015 14:11:38 GMT
Just the fact that the authorities - or any of us - have to have a view on such a thing at all is depressing. Unless you really think a smoke bomb can set light to solid concrete. Is there anything at all now that isn't "worrying"? The infantilising of adults in this country continues apace. Yeah solid concrete or y'know crisp bags, paper cups, pasty bags, ticket stubs, 50/50 tickets all heat resistant stuff like that.
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Post by inee on Apr 29, 2015 14:16:10 GMT
"Rookie police taught sectarian songs before this weekend’s Old Firm match Daily Record 28 January 2015 OFFICERS who have never policed a powder keg match between the ancient rivals have been learning the words to hate songs. ROOKIE police are being taught sectarian songs before this weekend’s Old Firm match. Officers who have never policed a powder keg match between the ancient rivals have been learning the words to hate songs favoured by bigots on both sides of the divide, it's emerged today. Police Scotland have said they won’t tolerate any form of bad behaviour either before, during or after the match, and have vowed to arrest anyone caught singing sectarian songs or who is involved in violence. In December 2011, a list of banned songs was produced by authorities. They ruled that a number of them were sectarian, and banned fans across Scotland from belting them out. Songs banned include the Billy Boys and The Famine Song, as well as Glasgow Celtic IRA, and the Ibrox Disaster Song. Any songs which refer to dead players, including Celtic winger Johnny Doyle, or Rangers legend Davie Cooper have also been outlawed. Both players died tragically at a young age, but following their deaths, found themselves the subject of hate-filled songs. A source said: “All fans will know the songs they are not allowed to sing - most of them are for obvious reasons, for example glorifying terrorism, or are extremely offensive to opposing fans. “The tunes and words have been explained to officers so they know what they are listening out for.“There will be a zero tolerance approach. If you sing songs which have been deemed to be sectarian or offensive, you will find yourself in a prison cell.” Songs which have been deemed acceptable are The Fields Of Athenry and The Soldiers’ Song, both favoured by Celtic fans, as well as Rangers fans’ anthems The Sash and The Cry Is No Surrender." Police Scotland top brass have refused to say how many officers they will have on duty, but extra numbers have been draughted in over fears the 1.30pm kick off will allow fans time to drink before the match, which they fear could possibly fuel trouble." I know it is a serious subject, but am I the only one who sees the humour in handing out a song sheet to rookie police and the Sergeant doing his best to keep in tune so let me get this right you cant sing sectarian songs, but you can sing an anti English song specifically about the famine(fields of athenry), and a song glorifying the irish rebels who fought against the protestants (both songs are recent ) . again the sash and the cry is no surrender are about the protestants fighting alongside William of orange against the catholic king,(again both recent songs) so all are based on sectarianism. On a personal level i find it absolutely ridiculous that the law are going to such lengths, to stop the fans from singing in what they believe in, i might not like what they are singing but i believe in their rights to sing it. If you look hard enough i would wager every song ever wrote and sung will cause offence to someone. As these songs have their roots in traditional religious beliefs and with our anti religion laws, Im surprised someone from either side haven't took it to court as it could be deemed as an attack on religion. The Scottish sing them because of Irish immigrants who settled in Scotland and formed a catholic football teams(celtic) Whilst rangers were formed by scotishmen
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Post by inee on Apr 29, 2015 14:20:56 GMT
As I've said before, fans in Scotland are now imprisoned for singing traditional unkind songs. They have a more intolerant govt. than in England, but the steady criminalising of every form of dissent or unapproved act continues here too. Football fans in particular are despised by our rulers as working-class scum who must be re-educated and conditioned. It's working. Soon we'll be turning on each other for swearing in case we get told off. What do you mean soon, i've been saying this for years but am told im paranoid, read these forums to see examples of it. heres a neat song from the 80's that sums it up nicely lyrics below I Just Can't Be Happy Today I Just Can't Be Happy Today A lot of you know there's nothing to smile There's no feeling fine without being fined It's a price on your head No point being sad when justice is red I Just Can't Be Happy Today I Just Can't Be Happy Today They're closing the schools They're burning the books The church is in ruins The priests hang on hooks The radios on ice The telly's been banned The army's in power The devil commands Illegal to dance Forbidden to cry You do what you're told and never ask why Ignore all those fools They don't understand we make our own rules I Just Can't Be Happy Today I Just Can't Be Happy Today I Just Can't Be Happy, Just Can't Be Happy, Just Can't Be Happy Today I Just Can't Be Happy, Just Can't Be Happy, Just Can't Be Happy Today
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 14:37:54 GMT
"Rookie police taught sectarian songs before this weekend’s Old Firm match Daily Record 28 January 2015 OFFICERS who have never policed a powder keg match between the ancient rivals have been learning the words to hate songs. ROOKIE police are being taught sectarian songs before this weekend’s Old Firm match. Officers who have never policed a powder keg match between the ancient rivals have been learning the words to hate songs favoured by bigots on both sides of the divide, it's emerged today. Police Scotland have said they won’t tolerate any form of bad behaviour either before, during or after the match, and have vowed to arrest anyone caught singing sectarian songs or who is involved in violence. In December 2011, a list of banned songs was produced by authorities. They ruled that a number of them were sectarian, and banned fans across Scotland from belting them out. Songs banned include the Billy Boys and The Famine Song, as well as Glasgow Celtic IRA, and the Ibrox Disaster Song. Any songs which refer to dead players, including Celtic winger Johnny Doyle, or Rangers legend Davie Cooper have also been outlawed. Both players died tragically at a young age, but following their deaths, found themselves the subject of hate-filled songs. A source said: “All fans will know the songs they are not allowed to sing - most of them are for obvious reasons, for example glorifying terrorism, or are extremely offensive to opposing fans. “The tunes and words have been explained to officers so they know what they are listening out for.“There will be a zero tolerance approach. If you sing songs which have been deemed to be sectarian or offensive, you will find yourself in a prison cell.” Songs which have been deemed acceptable are The Fields Of Athenry and The Soldiers’ Song, both favoured by Celtic fans, as well as Rangers fans’ anthems The Sash and The Cry Is No Surrender." Police Scotland top brass have refused to say how many officers they will have on duty, but extra numbers have been draughted in over fears the 1.30pm kick off will allow fans time to drink before the match, which they fear could possibly fuel trouble." I know it is a serious subject, but am I the only one who sees the humour in handing out a song sheet to rookie police and the Sergeant doing his best to keep in tune so let me get this right you cant sing sectarian songs, but you can sing an anti English song specifically about the famine(fields of athenry), and a song glorifying the irish rebels who fought against the protestants (both songs are recent ) . again the sash and the cry is no surrender are about the protestants fighting alongside William of orange against the catholic king,(again both recent songs) so all are based on sectarianism. On a personal level i find it absolutely ridiculous that the law are going to such lengths, to stop the fans from singing in what they believe in, i might not like what they are singing but i believe in their rights to sing it. If you look hard enough i would wager every song ever wrote and sung will cause offence to someone. As these songs have their roots in traditional religious beliefs and with our anti religion laws, Im surprised someone from either side haven't took it to court as it could be deemed as an attack on religion. The Scottish sing them because of Irish immigrants who settled in Scotland and formed a catholic and protestant football teams Rangers have nothing to do with Irish immigrants and weren't specifically set up as a Proddy club. They were an ordinary run of the mill Glasgow side who were then latched onto by those who wanted to react against the Irish Catholic immigrant team across town. And so a poisonous rivalry was born. Fields of Athenry is about a man who was imprisoned for stealing food for his children during the famine, not specifically anti-English really but about one of the great tragedies of Irish history (which the British could have done a hell of a lot more to prevent but that's another story). Fwiw, I think criminalising songs is silly and it won't do much to address the underlying poison of sectarianism in the west of Scotland.
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