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Post by Dr Gas on Jun 27, 2015 18:06:30 GMT
To be fair, we had just about the worst start you could imagine to our non-league season, and DC came out and said he'd guarantee us a play off spot. That was pretty impressive, with hindsight. Exactly. Similar to when you're with your mates having a few beers and one of them says they're going to *ahem* ''lay with'' Rhianna. You pass it off as waffle but wait, lo and behold he actual did it. WOW! You are mates with Karim Benzema?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 27, 2015 19:35:18 GMT
Strange why people insist on putting their slant on what I said. I said I didn't blame him for relegation because he took over so late in the day. I just said that sadly, he couldn't turn it around. As for deserving more from Pompey and Bury, that sounds like a Watola statement. I felt we deserved more from the Mansfield game never mind the others. As for his three promotions by 38 years of age, it is impressive. But only one of them means anything to me, and even that is at non league level. Even DC knows that what has gone before counts for little. Now we are back in the league it's what he does now that matters. The first stage of proving himself will be who he brings in. Fingers crossed. I want him to succeed as much as anyone. But I'm not going overboard just yet. Not sure anybody is going over board about DC and assuming he will get us promoted again this season, but what's the alternative sack DC and take a chance on another PB/MM/JW? We all we can do is hope DC can continue with his work of turning the club around and the BoD can find sufficient funds to back him this summer.
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Post by kylegas on Jun 28, 2015 9:54:43 GMT
Strange why people insist on putting their slant on what I said. I said I didn't blame him for relegation because he took over so late in the day. I just said that sadly, he couldn't turn it around. As for deserving more from Pompey and Bury, that sounds like a Watola statement. I felt we deserved more from the Mansfield game never mind the others. As for his three promotions by 38 years of age, it is impressive. But only one of them means anything to me, and even that is at non league level. Even DC knows that what has gone before counts for little. Now we are back in the league it's what he does now that matters. The first stage of proving himself will be who he brings in. Fingers crossed. I want him to succeed as much as anyone. But I'm not going overboard just yet. Not sure anybody is going over board about DC and assuming he will get us promoted again this season, but what's the alternative sack DC and take a chance on another PB/MM/JW? We all we can do is hope DC can continue with his work of turning the club around and the BoD can find sufficient funds to back him this summer. If we don't win the league I'll be calling for his head, second place is not an option!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 10:49:48 GMT
DC put his head above the parapet when the chips were down. You live and die by those comments as a manager. "We will be top 5 by Xmas" it worked out but it was an unnecessary risk.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 28, 2015 11:37:52 GMT
Not really as he set the target for his players, as he knew failure to get promoted could well have cost him his job.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 11:47:53 GMT
He said those exact words at the QnA. It may have been a target for the players but it was also a statement to the supporters. Failure to get promoted might cost him the job? Not necessarily. It would have depended upon the nature of the season. Conf prem being tough to get out of, if we'd lost at Wembley he would still have his job. If we'd have been 10th at Xmas he would have been getting pelters because of his own statement.
It worked out but he'd better keep those type of comments to himself really otherwise it might backfire when there is no need. He didn't need to say it and we still would have done well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 12:51:57 GMT
What I'm most concerned about is whether DC can cope when things aren't hunky dory. Why people on here think he is the messiah I don't know. Don't get me wrong, I hope he proves to be one of our best ever managers, but why are people on here and elsewhere so convinced he is THE MAN? I'm not blaming him for our relegation, but we didn't turn it around when he took over, then we got out of a non league situation we should never have been in. The evidence on how good or bad DC will be begins now. He firstly has to put a team together to get us up another division ( not saying it has to be first time), and he has to prove he can motivate the team when things are not going well. I hope we are all celebrating again at the end of the season, but let's not get carried away. He hasn't proved anything yet in my opinion. I still feel we are woefully short of league level strikers, which must be addressed. I'm not sure why you're bringing up the relegation - the man had 6/7 games as first team manager with a team that clearly lacked quality, enthusiasm and fight. I went to all those games and DC tried his very best to rouse an improvement in the team; away from home we went to win games unlike under JW, and although we only won at Wycombe, we deserved more from the Bury and Portsmouth games too IMO. No, he didn't turn it around as you state, but to blame him for that with so few games left is incredibly harsh. From that point of view he isn't the messiah, I guess you'll say, but given the hate he and the team received in the opening month of last season and the way he completely transformed our form was incredible. That proved to me he is a good young manager who can cope with the expectation and and pressure of being at a (relative to the level) big club. If we don't put our trust in him now and appreciate what a magnificent job he did last season, when can we? Let's give him the time over pre-season to construct his squad and get them going. As for Linesy, I think he would be a good player and I do think his attitude has changed since he left in 2011, although there must be other players out there we could sign if needs be. I do think, though, that if we can get the boy home that we should do because at his best he can be very good in this division. Just being pedantic DC had 8 games from which we gained 7 points,from the previous 8 games under JW we gained 8 points with the same players
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Post by RD on Jun 28, 2015 13:49:15 GMT
I'm not sure why you're bringing up the relegation - the man had 6/7 games as first team manager with a team that clearly lacked quality, enthusiasm and fight. I went to all those games and DC tried his very best to rouse an improvement in the team; away from home we went to win games unlike under JW, and although we only won at Wycombe, we deserved more from the Bury and Portsmouth games too IMO. No, he didn't turn it around as you state, but to blame him for that with so few games left is incredibly harsh. From that point of view he isn't the messiah, I guess you'll say, but given the hate he and the team received in the opening month of last season and the way he completely transformed our form was incredible. That proved to me he is a good young manager who can cope with the expectation and and pressure of being at a (relative to the level) big club. If we don't put our trust in him now and appreciate what a magnificent job he did last season, when can we? Let's give him the time over pre-season to construct his squad and get them going. As for Linesy, I think he would be a good player and I do think his attitude has changed since he left in 2011, although there must be other players out there we could sign if needs be. I do think, though, that if we can get the boy home that we should do because at his best he can be very good in this division. Just being pedantic DC had 8 games from which we gained 7 points,from the previous 8 games under JW we gained 8 points with the same players Just being pedantic but DC played against 8 different teams to JW in those 8 games
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Post by Raj Gas on Jun 28, 2015 14:19:06 GMT
Just being pedantic DC had 8 games from which we gained 7 points,from the previous 8 games under JW we gained 8 points with the same players Just being pedantic but DC played against 8 different teams to JW in those 8 games And DC's 8 games were played with greater pressure and a reduced player confidence. DC has the opportunity this season to prove whether he is good at this level as it's his team and tactics, I believe he will but it will take time and support.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 28, 2015 14:25:49 GMT
Just being pedantic DC had 8 games from which we gained 7 points,from the previous 8 games under JW we gained 8 points with the same players Just being pedantic but DC played against 8 different teams to JW in those 8 games That's not strictly true as Lee Brown was missing for our last game, meaning not only did we lose one of our most consistent players but also lost both full backs (not sure when Smith also got injured) Regardless we were already on the slippery slope so there's no way Ward would have got us 8 pts from the last 8 games.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 15:27:15 GMT
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Post by pirateman on Jun 28, 2015 17:40:56 GMT
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Post by RD on Jun 28, 2015 19:27:58 GMT
Just being pedantic but DC played against 8 different teams to JW in those 8 games That's not strictly true as Lee Brown was missing for our last game, meaning not only did we lose one of our most consistent players but also lost both full backs (not sure when Smith also got injured) Regardless we were already on the slippery slope so there's no way Ward would have got us 8 pts from the last 8 games. Not sure if you meant to quote me? I was defending DC and I agree with you...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 20:26:35 GMT
I got some dislikes! Cool feature. The only real surprise is that its taken this long for you to get one.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 28, 2015 20:32:45 GMT
That's not strictly true as Lee Brown was missing for our last game, meaning not only did we lose one of our most consistent players but also lost both full backs (not sure when Smith also got injured) Regardless we were already on the slippery slope so there's no way Ward would have got us 8 pts from the last 8 games. Not sure if you meant to quote me? I was defending DC and I agree with you... Probably not then RD but at least you replied!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 21:15:29 GMT
I got some dislikes! Cool feature. The only real surprise is that its taken this long for you to get one. True. Not for the want of trying mind.
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Post by britishgas on Jun 29, 2015 12:51:59 GMT
There's more important things than immediate success. I think the atmosphere DC has created around the club gives him more leeway than his results. Honestly, as long as we're not staring at imminent relegation I'll be happy for him to stay. This is one of the few rovers teams I've been genuinely proud to support - I don't care if they're technically limited or any of that stuff, after years of watching the likes of JJOT it's such a refreshing change to see a group of lads who play for the shirt and work for each other. DC has been responsible for some of my best memories as a gashead, and that counts for a lot.!
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Post by Cantankerous Gas on Jun 29, 2015 19:23:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 19:41:26 GMT
Need a clause that we don't pay if he gets injured. Otherwise we could get hamstrung on wages. Good idea though, the loan....Keeps CL on his toes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 19:43:05 GMT
A 12 month loan would still mean target achieved by Port Vale,but Linesy would surely be looking at a 2 year deal as a minimum for security so seems an unlikely route to go down imo.
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