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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 24, 2015 9:56:11 GMT
Play off is only about making money for tv/club Wembley. Only playoff I would recommend is between 3rd from bottom and 3rd from top to see who remains or joins the top 2. It's silly how the 7th best team can go up like we did in 07. I'm a fan of the playoffs personally. I understand that the main reason for them is to generate more money but for me they also add excitement and without them then it would mean too many teams with nothing to play for, for too long. What I can't understand is sports like rugby where they have a playoff with the top teams including the league winners, that is just ridicilous!
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Post by tumshie on May 24, 2015 9:56:10 GMT
Three Up , Three Down!!!! Holy feck, we'd end up a Yo-Yo Club!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 9:57:09 GMT
Play off is only about making money for tv/club Wembley. Only playoff I would recommend is between 3rd from bottom and 3rd from top to see who remains or joins the top 2. It's silly how the 7th best team can go up like we did in 07. we finished 6th, but we did beat the team who finished 7th....
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Post by Topper Gas on May 24, 2015 10:16:14 GMT
Play off is only about making money for tv/club Wembley. Only playoff I would recommend is between 3rd from bottom and 3rd from top to see who remains or joins the top 2. It's silly how the 7th best team can go up like we did in 07. I'm a fan of the playoffs personally. I understand that the main reason for them is to generate more money but for me they also add excitement and without them then it would mean too many teams with nothing to play for, for too long. What I can't understand is sports like rugby where they have a playoff with the top teams including the league winners, that is just ridicilous! Northampton have been top all season but lost yesterday to Saracens, who scraped in on the last game of the season! As far as 3 down, 3 up this season FGR or Eastleigh could have well replaced Hartlepool, not really sure Div 2 would have gained anything by that? What it would eventually lead to is a weakening in Div 2 and strengthening of the Conference,
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 10:17:07 GMT
Play off is only about making money for tv/club Wembley. Only playoff I would recommend is between 3rd from bottom and 3rd from top to see who remains or joins the top 2. It's silly how the 7th best team can go up like we did in 07. I'm a fan of the playoffs personally. I understand that the main reason for them is to generate more money but for me they also add excitement and without them then it would mean too many teams with nothing to play for, for too long. What I can't understand is sports like rugby where they have a playoff with the top teams including the league winners, that is just ridicilous! The rugby thing is just odd. For us though, finishing 1 point behind the winners. It would be daft for us to potentially lose out on promotion to the team finishing 5th, some way worse than us over the season. That's not excitement for me.
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Post by newmarketgas on May 24, 2015 10:22:24 GMT
IMO it should go back to the old system, no play off's. As for a lot of teams with nothing to play for, that was always used to blood some youngsters at the end of the season and that is well worth the having.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 24, 2015 10:35:32 GMT
As far as 3 down, 3 up this season FGR or Eastleigh could have well replaced Hartlepool, not really sure Div 2 would have gained anything by that? What it would eventually lead to is a weakening in Div 2 and strengthening of the Conference, No, it would mean the opposite. The more free flow of teams you get, then the less bottleneck you get, and so the teams will sort themselves out into a meritocratic order more quickly. A bottleneck is what would lead to a weakening in Div 2 and strengthening of the Conference.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 24, 2015 10:37:50 GMT
IMO it should go back to the old system, no play off's. As for a lot of teams with nothing to play for, that was always used to blood some youngsters at the end of the season and that is well worth the having. If that's what you think, I'd soon lose interest if my team had nothing to play for though. Would mean less season ticket sales I would imagine.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 10:38:48 GMT
I'm a fan of the playoffs personally. I understand that the main reason for them is to generate more money but for me they also add excitement and without them then it would mean too many teams with nothing to play for, for too long. What I can't understand is sports like rugby where they have a playoff with the top teams including the league winners, that is just ridicilous! Northampton have been top all season but lost yesterday to Saracens, who scraped in on the last game of the season! As far as 3 down, 3 up this season FGR or Eastleigh could have well replaced Hartlepool, not really sure Div 2 would have gained anything by that? What it would eventually lead to is a weakening in Div 2 and strengthening of the Conference, I don't get that, other than crowd size as stevek mentioned. Eastleigh/FGR would be there on merit. Both have money and would no doubt hold their own. You could say similar for perhaps Bournemouth replacing Newcastle? Weakening of prem? I think that's just the nature of our competition.
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Post by stevek192 on May 24, 2015 10:41:14 GMT
It was no use whatsoever for blooding youngsters because the games meant absolutely nothing and mainly were no better than a training session. Young players came in,played well and looked like stars but when they then came into the team at the start of the next season they were proven to be not good enough. Play Offs keep hopes alive and as long as they are looked upon to provide an "extra" promotion then its fine ie if it was not for the play offs then one less would go up. The only problem division is the Conference but there again if the Play Offs hadn't have come in then only one would go up and one go down and we would never have gone in the sh** hole!! The only problem with the Rugby Play Offs is that it is a total waste of time playing all the League games and they may as well just have a big Play Off and leave it at that. League Winners should ALWAYS go up.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 24, 2015 10:42:10 GMT
It was no use whatsoever for blooding youngsters because the games meant absolutely nothing and mainly were no better than a training session. Young players came in,played well and looked like stars but when they then came into the team at the start of the next season they were proven to be not good enough. Play Offs keep hopes alive and as long as they are looked upon to provide an "extra" promotion then its fine ie if it was not for the play offs then one less would go up. The only problem division is the Conference but there again if the Play Offs hadn't have come in then only one would go up and one go down and we would never have gone in the dung hole!! The only problem with the Rugby Play Offs is that it is a total waste of time playing all the League games and they may as well just have a big Play Off and leave it at that. League Winners should ALWAYS go up. Agree Steve.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 10:56:43 GMT
It was no use whatsoever for blooding youngsters because the games meant absolutely nothing and mainly were no better than a training session. Young players came in,played well and looked like stars but when they then came into the team at the start of the next season they were proven to be not good enough. Play Offs keep hopes alive and as long as they are looked upon to provide an "extra" promotion then its fine ie if it was not for the play offs then one less would go up. The only problem division is the Conference but there again if the Play Offs hadn't have come in then only one would go up and one go down and we would never have gone in the dung hole!! The only problem with the Rugby Play Offs is that it is a total waste of time playing all the League games and they may as well just have a big Play Off and leave it at that. League Winners should ALWAYS go up. Perfect for giving youngsters a run out imo.. Playoffs invented to make money, everything else is a smoke screen. Clearly pros and cons.
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Post by socrates on May 24, 2015 11:07:05 GMT
Going slightly off topic we're 12-1 with sky bet to win the league only behind Pompey who are favourites. Back to the play offs, I like them it keeps the season alive longer and makes it more exciting for more clubs and more fans.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 11:13:11 GMT
Going slightly off topic we're 12-1 with sky bet to win the league only behind Pompey who are favourites. Back to the play offs, I like them it keeps the season alive longer and makes it more exciting for more clubs and more fans. Promotion odds are set with fanbase in mind. Making money off of us. How the feck can anybody make an informed decision at this stage?
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Post by socrates on May 24, 2015 11:21:14 GMT
Going slightly off topic we're 12-1 with sky bet to win the league only behind Pompey who are favourites. Back to the play offs, I like them it keeps the season alive longer and makes it more exciting for more clubs and more fans. Promotion odds are set with fanbase in mind. Making money off of us. How the feck can anybody make an informed decision at this stage? Dunno and I agree to some extent. I think Rovers. and Pompey were favourites last time in league 2.
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Post by stevethepirate on May 24, 2015 12:59:26 GMT
It would work if the top 2 conference went up automatically with the bottom 2 of league 2 went down. Then use the Scottish system of your best of the next 3 of the conference play the 3rd bottom of league 2 in the final.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 13:01:33 GMT
It would work if the top 2 conference went up automatically with the bottom 2 of league 2 went down. Then use the Scottish system of your best of the next 3 of the conference play the 3rd bottom of league 2 in the final. Yes. This is a good system. Less STs though apparently.....
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Post by Topper Gas on May 24, 2015 13:31:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 13:56:29 GMT
I don't think it needs to be as complicated as it is in Scotland. 2 up automatically, one up in the play-offs, 3 down from L2.
Put it this way, I think each year for a number of years now, there have mostly been two 'runaway' teams who deserve promotion. Think of Wrexham who got 98, Kidderminster who got 93 a few years ago and missed out etc. etc.
Then historically the play-offs are mainly made up of teams who would survive in League 2 off and on the pitch, with the odd small club who has had a good season. The only problem is if the small club gets promoted, for example let's say Woking did this year or Braintree the year before. It is arguable whether those clubs have the facilities to support L2 football.
I don't necessarily think two automatic spots would be a problem, more the play-offs to be honest. But if a small club can win the play-offs, why not let them have a go at the FL? You only have to look how few teams come straight back down in order to see changes need to be made.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 24, 2015 13:56:38 GMT
Going slightly off topic we're 12-1 with sky bet to win the league only behind Pompey who are favourites. Back to the play offs, I like them it keeps the season alive longer and makes it more exciting for more clubs and more fans. Promotion odds are set with fanbase in mind. Making money off of us. How the feck can anybody make an informed decision at this stage? Yep, totally agree. I was planning on having a bet on us if we were fancy odds after the playoff final win but checked and seen we were only 12/1 which is absolutely ridicilous. We have only just come up from the league below, we won't know how much we have to spend etc until the court case is sorted. For anyone planning on having a bet on us, I would definitely advise against it for now. Wait and see what happens with the court case and what happens with signings etc, we aren't going to get much shorter than 12/1 (if at all) and you will know where you stand then. gashead79 is right in the fact that at the moment it is just based on how big a club you are, the other factor at this stage is teams that have come down from the league below are always a shorter price than they should be.
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