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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 13, 2015 10:55:02 GMT
Ah, I'm with you now. I still believe we can sell the Mem, but for less than Sainsbury's were going to pay. The big question is though, who will make up the shortfall? This is where I can see the club being an attractive proposition. To buy the club should not costs much. Sell the Mem, put in an extra 10 or 15 million, and you have a stadium fit for the Premier League. Planning permission is already in place. Rovers are in fact, are a much better proposition than a club like Bournemouth. I'm trying to stay positive. Dare I raise the subject of debentures again? Assign a block of 2000 seats in the new stadium to a Rovers VIP club. £10,000 gets you lifetime membership, fully transferable. There's you £20 million. Its worked at Wembley and Arsenal as well as in other sports. Surely its an option? Any before anyone mentions it this is nothing like the share scheme as you would actually get something tangible for your money. put me down for one please
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Post by princerupert on Jul 13, 2015 11:01:22 GMT
Dare I raise the subject of debentures again? Assign a block of 2000 seats in the new stadium to a Rovers VIP club. £10,000 gets you lifetime membership, fully transferable. There's you £20 million. Its worked at Wembley and Arsenal as well as in other sports. Surely its an option? Any before anyone mentions it this is nothing like the share scheme as you would actually get something tangible for your money. put me down for one please So that's £20,000 if I want to encourage my son to keep going! Good idea, especially if you have 2 or 3 kids!
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jul 13, 2015 11:02:36 GMT
The only thing to me that can save it is SGC paying for it. They say it will unlock £200m of investment so it seems a no brainer. SGC haven't got the funds to lower a curb outside of my house...
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Post by mumbles on Jul 13, 2015 11:25:24 GMT
put me down for one please So that's £20,000 if I want to encourage my son to keep going! Good idea, especially if you have 2 or 3 kids! Sorry what are you on about? I said 2000 seats not every seat. This would be to enable the build, it wouldn't be compulsory. Of course not everyone could afford it, myself included as I have two kids. I work for a small company though where corporate entertainment is really important. They buy 5 season tickets at Saracens every year and host numerous other events. Its companies like these that I think would see this as a good deal - a seat at every event for life. That's equivalent to about £400 for a season ticket over 25 years regardless of the level of competition which would hopefully be higher than L2 if we moved to UWE. Plus you would get access to an exclusive members area and have access to all concerts and facilities. I cant believe I'm the only one that thinks this could work?
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jul 13, 2015 11:31:20 GMT
So that's £20,000 if I want to encourage my son to keep going! Good idea, especially if you have 2 or 3 kids! Sorry what are you on about? I said 2000 seats not every seat. This would be to enable the build, it wouldn't be compulsory. Of course not everyone could afford it, myself included as I have two kids. I work for a small company though where corporate entertainment is really important. They buy 5 season tickets at Saracens every year and host numerous other events. Its companies like these that I think would see this as a good deal - a seat at every event for life. That's equivalent to about £400 for a season ticket over 25 years regardless of the level of competition which would hopefully be higher than L2 if we moved to UWE. Plus you would get access to an exclusive members area and have access to all concerts and facilities. I cant believe I'm the only one that thinks this could work? I'm sorry mate but you're not exactly selling this. We only have around 3000 season ticket holders, so what makes you think 2000 of them would be willing to fork out £10,000?!
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Post by mumbles on Jul 13, 2015 12:19:29 GMT
Sorry what are you on about? I said 2000 seats not every seat. This would be to enable the build, it wouldn't be compulsory. Of course not everyone could afford it, myself included as I have two kids. I work for a small company though where corporate entertainment is really important. They buy 5 season tickets at Saracens every year and host numerous other events. Its companies like these that I think would see this as a good deal - a seat at every event for life. That's equivalent to about £400 for a season ticket over 25 years regardless of the level of competition which would hopefully be higher than L2 if we moved to UWE. Plus you would get access to an exclusive members area and have access to all concerts and facilities. I cant believe I'm the only one that thinks this could work? I'm sorry mate but you're not exactly selling this. We only have around 3000 season ticket holders, so what makes you think 2000 of them would be willing to fork out £10,000?! Why the aggressiveness? I'm just trying to find a way to make UWE a reality. Let me make this clear, it would not be just a season ticket. It would be an asset. You would effectively own the leasehold for a seat in the new stadium for a period of lets say 99 years. You could sell it on the open market at any point - if we did progress through the leagues this could provide a very good profit. You would be able to sell tickets for the seat for any matches or concerts that you didn't want to attend, effectively making a return on your investment (this would be organised through a club run ticket agency much like Club Wembley). As it would be an investment not just a season ticket it would open it up to a whole new group of people, not just the current season ticket holders. A number of them would inevitably go to fans with the funds to afford it but I can see the majority of them being purchased by local businesses for hospitality purposes. Having said that, even if you needed to take out a loan in order to purchase one the repayments wouldn't be very much higher than a normal season ticket. It would effectively be a form of crowd funding.
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Post by inee on Jul 13, 2015 13:09:46 GMT
One bullet to use, Ferguson, Candice whats her face, and Justice Proudman... who do you shoot? Line them up and shoot through the lot of them. the ugly assed green dog no doubt
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 14:33:51 GMT
I'm sorry mate but you're not exactly selling this. We only have around 3000 season ticket holders, so what makes you think 2000 of them would be willing to fork out £10,000?! Why the aggressiveness? I'm just trying to find a way to make UWE a reality. Let me make this clear, it would not be just a season ticket. It would be an asset. You would effectively own the leasehold for a seat in the new stadium for a period of lets say 99 years. You could sell it on the open market at any point - if we did progress through the leagues this could provide a very good profit. You would be able to sell tickets for the seat for any matches or concerts that you didn't want to attend, effectively making a return on your investment (this would be organised through a club run ticket agency much like Club Wembley). As it would be an investment not just a season ticket it would open it up to a whole new group of people, not just the current season ticket holders. A number of them would inevitably go to fans with the funds to afford it but I can see the majority of them being purchased by local businesses for hospitality purposes. Having said that, even if you needed to take out a loan in order to purchase one the repayments wouldn't be very much higher than a normal season ticket. It would effectively be a form of crowd funding. ***************************************************************************************** No offence mate but you are living in cloud cuckoo land. I actually believe you are on some sort of wind up but Ill play along anyway. You are suggesting that 2000 people are to give 10k each to those clowns in order to fund a new stadium? If there are indeed 2000 people prepared to donate that money, they might aswell link up and build the fecking thing themselves! Then they could host concerts/boxing/ice skating/speedway/greyhounds/list goes on. But 2000 people would be stupid to let any of those lot anywhere near their own money prior to any actual blue seat being available. I know people are staunch and deeply passionate, but that is plain foolishness. Local businesses? Have you seen the pathetic array of advertising hoardings up the mem? There are gaps everywhere. This is a wacky idea. It might work though...........
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Post by lpgas1 on Jul 13, 2015 14:37:54 GMT
I have read her judgement carefully, and I would say, appeal
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Post by lpgas1 on Jul 13, 2015 14:40:16 GMT
Anyway I don't need a pair of debentures, I've got a good dentist
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Post by mumbles on Jul 13, 2015 15:34:05 GMT
Why the aggressiveness? I'm just trying to find a way to make UWE a reality. Let me make this clear, it would not be just a season ticket. It would be an asset. You would effectively own the leasehold for a seat in the new stadium for a period of lets say 99 years. You could sell it on the open market at any point - if we did progress through the leagues this could provide a very good profit. You would be able to sell tickets for the seat for any matches or concerts that you didn't want to attend, effectively making a return on your investment (this would be organised through a club run ticket agency much like Club Wembley). As it would be an investment not just a season ticket it would open it up to a whole new group of people, not just the current season ticket holders. A number of them would inevitably go to fans with the funds to afford it but I can see the majority of them being purchased by local businesses for hospitality purposes. Having said that, even if you needed to take out a loan in order to purchase one the repayments wouldn't be very much higher than a normal season ticket. It would effectively be a form of crowd funding. ***************************************************************************************** No offence mate but you are living in cloud cuckoo land. I actually believe you are on some sort of wind up but Ill play along anyway. You are suggesting that 2000 people are to give 10k each to those clowns in order to fund a new stadium? If there are indeed 2000 people prepared to donate that money, they might aswell link up and build the fecking thing themselves! Then they could host concerts/boxing/ice skating/speedway/greyhounds/list goes on. But 2000 people would be stupid to let any of those lot anywhere near their own money prior to any actual blue seat being available. I know people are staunch and deeply passionate, but that is plain foolishness. Local businesses? Have you seen the pathetic array of advertising hoardings up the mem? There are gaps everywhere. This is a wacky idea. It might work though........... For the record I am not on a wind up and I'm not living in cloud cuckoo land. I'm just floating an idea which I happen to think might work. For the record it wouldn't be a donation to the board, you would be buying a seat in the completed stadium - a physical asset. Also it wouldn't be a case of blindly giving cash up front but would depend upon all neccessary funding being raised. I will stop flogging this dead horse now. I appologise for trying to find a solution to this dire situation.
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Post by Cantankerous Gas on Jul 13, 2015 15:49:21 GMT
One bullet to use, Ferguson, Candice whats her face, and Justice Proudman... who do you shoot? Line them up and shoot through the lot of them. I realise this is only gallows humour but it could be misinterpreted by those who hate us. You / Mods should delete it.
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Post by peterparker on Jul 13, 2015 15:50:39 GMT
I have read her judgement carefully, and I would say, appeal We might have grounds to appeal, but it better be better than the case we have put forward first time around.
Now a decision has been cast, Sainsbury's have an advantage. We have to convince a judge that the previous judge was fundamentally wrong. Any ambiguity and complexities in our appeal and the contract will just mean a Judge will side with the original verdict unless their is compelling evidence otherwise
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Post by mehewmagic on Jul 13, 2015 16:09:38 GMT
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Post by LJG on Jul 13, 2015 16:17:10 GMT
An appeal would be suicidal.
Ignoring for a moment the astronomical cost which we don't have (as evidenced by the fact we had to take out a private finance loan to fund the hearing at court of first instance which we have just lost - for illustrative purposes an uncontested application - i.e. there's no-one arguing against you doing what you want to do - to the High Court Chancery Division will cost somewhere in the region of £20,000):
An appeal to the Court of Appeal would take months to make and years to list. It could be two years before we get a Court of Appeal decision. Given the fact that at the Pre-trial review an application was made to fast track this matter due to UWE having made clear that they would withdraw without progress in the coming months we could win our appeal and in 2017 turn up in Filton with a bulldozer saying "We won! We're ready to build our stadium" and be confronted with a new Chemistry building or library on "our" site.
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Post by pirateman on Jul 13, 2015 16:18:41 GMT
I agree. We lost. Accept it and move on. Starting from scratch unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 16:28:51 GMT
I agree. We lost. Accept it and move on. Starting from scratch unfortunately. Well. Scratch minus 2 million quid.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 16:34:43 GMT
For the record I am not on a wind up and I'm not living in cloud cuckoo land. I'm just floating an idea which I happen to think might work. For the record it wouldn't be a donation to the board, you would be buying a seat in the completed stadium - a physical asset. Also it wouldn't be a case of blindly giving cash up front but would depend upon all neccessary funding being raised. I will stop flogging this dead horse now. I appologise for trying to find a solution to this dire situation. It might work, like I said. The completed stadium bit will be the problem but if you could get a few hundred people interested.....maybe the BoD would allow you a seat at the table to talk about it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 16:36:42 GMT
For the record I am not on a wind up and I'm not living in cloud cuckoo land. I'm just floating an idea which I happen to think might work. For the record it wouldn't be a donation to the board, you would be buying a seat in the completed stadium - a physical asset. Also it wouldn't be a case of blindly giving cash up front but would depend upon all neccessary funding being raised. I will stop flogging this dead horse now. I appologise for trying to find a solution to this dire situation. It might work, like I said. The completed stadium bit will be the problem but if you could get a few hundred people interested.....maybe the BoD would allow you a seat at the table to talk about it?
I doubt it. They won't even let incumbent directors a seat at the table...
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Post by tumshie on Jul 13, 2015 16:45:06 GMT
It's the hope that kills you and i'm sick of it to tell the truth
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