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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 18, 2015 18:38:22 GMT
Lets keep it simple then: Where were we before Higgs tenure and where are we now? Nice bloke/supporter/well intentioned but ultimately a failure and his debts are increasing year on year Don't get me wrong other parts of his tenure have been an absolute shambles! I just think when it comes to the stadium he has shown fantastic vision, which had it not been for factors outside of his control would have delivered. Surely signing a contract which he was thought was watertight, which turned into a colander was his fault? If Sainsbury's had a obvious get out clause why didn't NH insist if they decided to walk in the future they'd pay us a reasonable sum in compensation for all the costs we'd incurred in obtaining pp etc? It's hilarious that a Gashead thinks somebody who could now well cost us the Mem is a visionary!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 18:48:59 GMT
Still getting bites?
You have to take your hat off to the OP.
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Post by orgasmic on Jul 18, 2015 18:56:27 GMT
Don't get me wrong other parts of his tenure have been an absolute shambles! I just think when it comes to the stadium he has shown fantastic vision, which had it not been for factors outside of his control would have delivered. Surely signing a contract which he was thought was watertight, which turned into a colander was his fault? If Sainsbury's had a obvious get out clause why didn't NH insist if they decided to walk in the future they'd pay us a reasonable sum in compensation for all the costs we'd incurred in obtaining pp etc? It's hilarious that a Gashead thinks somebody who could now well cost us the Mem is a visionary! I'm working on the assumption he has been acting under legal advice which I think is a reasonable assumption. Interesting how all the interested parties were happy with the contracts. Sainsburys exploited a loophole. Why get compensation when you can pursue getting what you are legally entitled to? How could he possibly cost us the Mem? I think it's laughable a Gashead believes that! The plans for UWE are visionary...they would revolutionise the club now and for future generations.
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Post by orgasmic on Jul 18, 2015 18:58:18 GMT
Still getting bites? You have to take your hat off to the OP. I'm not even on the wind up. The plans for UWE are incredible and make all previous projects pale in insignificance. Nick Higgs was the mastermind behind this...credit where credit is due!
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Post by lpgas on Jul 18, 2015 19:03:05 GMT
Greetings all! Now that the initial knee jerk reactions are out of the way I thought I'd share my view on Mr Higgs in relation to the stadium projecti. Although it seems we have narrowly missed out on getting the UWE stadium at our first attempt I think the vitriol shown towards NH is very short sighted. If you asked most fans, redeveloping the Mem would have made them happy. To me, redeveloping the Mem is like polishing a turd! The additional revenue it would bring would put us in a position to not be in the red every year and of course would mean we have newer, fresher facilities, but that's all. The additional revenue from UWE would have put us significantly in the green automatically and given us a healthy budget at Championship level both now and given a sound financial platform for future generations. The two are barely comparable. NH has looked at all the options and come up with a project that would have been the envy of probably 50 of the 69 football league clubs and maybe more. He thought outside the box, researched thoroughly and had it not been for factors totally out of his control would have delivered it at the first time of asking! In itself, that is a massive achievement. Let's not forget how long it took the Brighton chairman to deliver the Amex stadium! I for one haven't given up hope. With regards to the appeal I looked at the judges verdict and she used no absolute language at all. Almost like she wanted us to appeal! Even if that fails though, the land is still worth large sums of money and I genuinely feel there will be a way of funding the gap between the land value and the stadium cost and let's face it, if a large supermarket can get planning permission for the site, pretty much anything can!! Anyway, boo to the people with short sighted plans that simply fix 1 problem and create another, and hooray for visionaries like Nick Higgs for looking at the club we love and trying to find a solution that not only solves 1 immediate problem, but secures the future for the current fans and the next generation of fans. I too think the UWE scheme was inspired. The planning approval is still our biggest asset and the best hope we have for the future. We can't give up on it and let this opportunity fall through our fingers. I'd be interested to hear what you think the options are for filling the funding gap. There have been a few suggestions made in various threads this past week. My own idea for a debentures scheme didn't get much support but maybe a combination of different schemes would raise the cash we need to get the thing built? I'm with you on this baby
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Post by lpgas on Jul 18, 2015 19:04:59 GMT
Did you buy that in Sainsburys Modom?
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Post by tumshie on Jul 18, 2015 19:31:54 GMT
I too think the UWE scheme was inspired. The planning approval is still our biggest asset and the best hope we have for the future. We can't give up on it and let this opportunity fall through our fingers. I'd be interested to hear what you think the options are for filling the funding gap. There have been a few suggestions made in various threads this past week. My own idea for a debentures scheme didn't get much support but maybe a combination of different schemes would raise the cash we need to get the thing built? I'm with you on this baby With respect you used to slag off Higgs no end on the old OF can you state how he has now delivered?
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Post by orgasmic on Jul 19, 2015 8:45:55 GMT
I'm with you on this baby With respect you used to slag off Higgs no end on the old OF can you state how he has now delivered? Me?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 8:54:47 GMT
Still getting bites? You have to take your hat off to the OP. That is my view Hugo. Hilarious ?
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Post by orgasmic on Jul 19, 2015 8:57:56 GMT
Still getting bites? You have to take your hat off to the OP. That is my view Hugo. Hilarious ? Why would you think it's a joke?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 9:02:17 GMT
That is my view Hugo. Hilarious ? Why would you think it's a joke? Any opening statement which uses the words Higgs, Visionary and Genious in one sentance is a joke waiting for a punchline.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 9:14:25 GMT
Obvious troll is obvious. Obviously.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 11:11:05 GMT
In fairness to the OP I think we all would have been singing a differrent song if the deal had gone through. The deal collapsed imo because Sainsbury's no longer wanted to build a supermarket or had never intended to.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 12:35:05 GMT
In fairness to the OP I think we all would have been singing a differrent song if the deal had gone through. The deal collapsed imo because Sainsbury's no longer wanted to build a supermarket or had never intended to. Well done. You've nailed it. Is that really your opinion or is that what actually happened?!
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Post by tumshie on Jul 19, 2015 12:43:09 GMT
In fairness to the OP I think we all would have been singing a differrent song if the deal had gone through. The deal collapsed imo because Sainsbury's no longer wanted to build a supermarket or had never intended to. Yeah and we'd be singing from a different sheet if we were in the Championship now etc That's all If's/but's/maybe's unfortunately they all count for the same - sod all!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 14:43:56 GMT
In fairness to the OP I think we all would have been singing a differrent song if the deal had gone through. The deal collapsed imo because Sainsbury's no longer wanted to build a supermarket or had never intended to. Well done. You've nailed it. Is that really your opinion or is that what actually happened?! No really it was nothing. As you've asked I think Sainsbury's never intended to build a supermarket, they just wanted to stop anyone else doing so.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 15:04:39 GMT
In fairness to the OP I think we all would have been singing a differrent song if the deal had gone through. The deal collapsed imo because Sainsbury's no longer wanted to build a supermarket or had never intended to. Yeah and we'd be singing from a different sheet if we were in the Championship now etc That's all If's/but's/maybe's unfortunately they all count for the same - sod all! We would still be in the same pickle groundwise whatever division we were in. as for if's but's and maybe's that's what we do here, still it keeps us off the streets.
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Post by orgasmic on Jul 19, 2015 19:43:42 GMT
So many skeptical people on here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 14:23:22 GMT
The project failed for a number of reasons, some of which were (or could have been) under NH's control - or under the control of the team he appointed to manage this - such as: 1) Agreeing a contract which specified 24 hrs a day delivery slots whilst knowing this was never going to be approved by Bristol City Council; 2) Approving Sainsbury's submission for a revised delivery slot plan whilst being aware that the proposal did not satisfy BCC's objections; 3) Allowing relationships with Sainsbury's to break down to the point where they did not even tell the club that they knew the application was likely to fail; 4) Trying to change the conditions of the contract mid-term by at first refusing to pay Rovers' share of the Community levy and then later reducing the sale price of the Mem to cover this. In addition he misled the fans by repeatedly telling them that all was well and stating expected start dates, despite not having enough confidence in his own opinion to back the project with his own cash, instead taking out a high interest loan to cover legal fees. How this will be repaid is as yet unclear. So to me it was a good idea but flawed in its execution. Done with the best of intentions initially, but doomed by events and oversights. Not the work of a visionary genious. Just a question with the information you are purveying did you actually see and read the contract or is this just your speculation
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Post by CrispPusher on Jul 20, 2015 14:43:20 GMT
Fair play Orgasmic, good trolling.
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