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Post by Rod1883 on Sept 8, 2015 20:10:59 GMT
Why is it that so many threads on here now descend into petty and petulant argument? Come on guys, we're all Gas on here and it should be a place for healthy discussion, not point scoring.
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Post by nsgas on Sept 8, 2015 20:12:14 GMT
If there is no advantage in having eleven men over having ten, why don't we start with ten men every match? We'd be able to have a smaller squad and save on wages.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 20:13:14 GMT
If there is no advantage in having ten men over having eleven, why don't we start with ten men every match? We'd be able to have a smaller squad and save on wages. who said it wasn't an advantage?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 20:14:27 GMT
Why is it that so many threads on here now descend into petty and petulant argument? Come on guys, we're all Gas on here and it should be a place for healthy discussion, not point scoring. Its not an argument, its a difference of opinions. Not everything has to be a argument.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 20:14:43 GMT
Why is it that so many threads on here now descend into petty and petulant argument? Come on guys, we're all Gas on here and it should be a place for healthy discussion, not point scoring. it beats watching the England game Rod! Yawn
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 20:16:29 GMT
Why is it that so many threads on here now descend into petty and petulant argument? Come on guys, we're all Gas on here and it should be a place for healthy discussion, not point scoring. What would you call healthy discussion, everyone agreeing?
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Post by Rod1883 on Sept 8, 2015 20:19:21 GMT
No - but it's the abrasive words chosen, and the confrontational style that is beginning to water me off. I might go to the other forum I think.
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Post by newmarketgas on Sept 8, 2015 20:20:15 GMT
Nobody is upset. are they ? I am certainly enjoying an interesting subject.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 20:20:46 GMT
No - but it's the abrasive words chosen, and the confrontational style that is beginning to p**s me off. I might go to the other forum I think. Sounds like Mumsnet should suit you.
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Post by newmarketgas on Sept 8, 2015 20:21:05 GMT
Sorry Rod, I missed your post.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 20:20:51 GMT
Nobody is upset. are they ? I am certainly enjoying an interesting subject. Seconded
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 20:21:33 GMT
Nobody is upset. are they ? I am certainly enjoying an interesting subject. Exactly.
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Post by newmarketgas on Sept 8, 2015 20:21:37 GMT
Mumsnet is a war zone !
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Post by baggins on Sept 8, 2015 20:29:58 GMT
I'm very upset actually.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 8, 2015 20:34:24 GMT
The stats from Sunday's game!! Not that hard to grasp is it!!!! Oxford did not have more of the game despite having the man advantage for a considerable percentage of the game! Get it now?? Also why will all managers say it can be harder against ten? Sorry if you think I'm talking nonsense sir, I bow down to your ability to guess what may have happened but if you can't prove your theory is "more likely" then I will disagree. You can hardly use the stats from one to prove a point? Anyway here's some facts form a Guardian article in 2010 to prove my point, I doubt much has changed recently. "It may be less of a handicap than it once was, but having a man sent off is still a major disadvantage. Italy's win over Nigeria game remains the only World Cup fixture in which a team, having a man sent off, has come from behind to win. Similarly, since that Chelsea win over West Ham, only once in the Premier League has a team come from behind having had a man sent off (ignoring games with more than one red card): Arsenal's 3-2 win over Bolton in March 2008. The Castrol statistics show that on more than half the occasions a team in one of Europe's top five leagues has had a player sent off while winning or drawing with more than 10 minutes remaining, their result has worsened. Red cards are still significant,
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Post by gwengers on Sept 8, 2015 20:34:23 GMT
If anyone seriously feels that the fact we played with a man less for about half of the minutes played is inconsequential then they are beyond convincing, but I will try...
Of course the referee had a major bearing on the result.
The facts are we received a red card which has since been shown not to be one. This forced us to play with a man less than we should for over 75 minutes.
We didn't get awarded two penalties, one of which (on Bodin) is beyond reasonable doubt. The referee also completely failed to cut down on the number of fouls that Oxford committed, (24, by the way). This was significantly more than any other team in the division this weekend.
Hylton should have been booked about three or four times over before he finally was, and shouldn't have stayed on the pitch after his dive in the second half at which he had finally picked up a yellow.
Taylor's arm/hand smash to the face of our player was clearly a red card offence also. The fact they couldn't substitute him fast enough spoke volumes.
The fact they "evened it up" after their repeat fouling meant it became 10 vs 10 is irrelevant. It would only be relevant if their red card was somehow unjust as ours has been proven to be. It should have been us with the man advantage at that stage.
They scored a very very good goal, but we dominated the game and were on the receiving end of what was roundly agreed by both fans to be one of the most dismal refereeing performances we have ever seen at the Mem.
To take this "I ONLY COUNT THE GOALS SCORED AT THE END OF THE GAME!" approach is shallow and antiquated. There was much more to the game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 20:37:51 GMT
The stats from Sunday's game!! Not that hard to grasp is it!!!! Oxford did not have more of the game despite having the man advantage for a considerable percentage of the game! Get it now?? Also why will all managers say it can be harder against ten? Sorry if you think I'm talking nonsense sir, I bow down to your ability to guess what may have happened but if you can't prove your theory is "more likely" then I will disagree. You can hardly use the stats from one to prove a point? Anyway here's some facts form a Guardian article in 2010 to prove my point, I doubt much has changed recently. "It may be less of a handicap than it once was, but having a man sent off is still a major disadvantage. Italy's win over Nigeria game remains the only World Cup fixture in which a team, having a man sent off, has come from behind to win. Similarly, since that Chelsea win over West Ham, only once in the Premier League has a team come from behind having had a man sent off (ignoring games with more than one red card): Arsenal's 3-2 win over Bolton in March 2008. The Castrol statistics show that on more than half the occasions a team in one of Europe's top five leagues has had a player sent off while winning or drawing with more than 10 minutes remaining, their result has worsened. Red cards are still significant, and all that relates to Our game against Oxford how? does that prove the decision cost us points? Nope
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Post by newmarketgas on Sept 8, 2015 20:45:27 GMT
Yes it does
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 8, 2015 20:46:08 GMT
If there is no advantage in having eleven men over having ten, why don't we start with ten men every match? We'd be able to have a smaller squad and save on wages. If playing with 10 is the same as playing with 11, then, it stands to reason, that playing with 9 is the same as playing with 10. And therefore playing with 8 is the same as playing with 9. etc. We could save loads on wages.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 8, 2015 20:47:18 GMT
You can hardly use the stats from one to prove a point? Anyway here's some facts form a Guardian article in 2010 to prove my point, I doubt much has changed recently. "It may be less of a handicap than it once was, but having a man sent off is still a major disadvantage. Italy's win over Nigeria game remains the only World Cup fixture in which a team, having a man sent off, has come from behind to win. Similarly, since that Chelsea win over West Ham, only once in the Premier League has a team come from behind having had a man sent off (ignoring games with more than one red card): Arsenal's 3-2 win over Bolton in March 2008. The Castrol statistics show that on more than half the occasions a team in one of Europe's top five leagues has had a player sent off while winning or drawing with more than 10 minutes remaining, their result has worsened. Red cards are still significant, and all that relates to Our game against Oxford how? does that prove the decision cost us points? Nope I don't think anyone's saying there's proof. They're just saying, in general, we'd have more chance with more players.
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