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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 14:56:55 GMT
Sorry, but maybe a reality check and bubble bursting for some. We are the appellant, and as such the weaker case by definition. Sainsburys have already won. They hold the high ground legally. We seek to overturn that decision, so the only deal to be done prior to the hearing would be us walking away. Sainsburys don't need to 'deal' unless our appeal point is overwhelmingly powerful that they have no choice but to concede. I doubt that very much. You are right in what you say BUT if by chance we do win the case that could open the floodgates for all the other pending developments shafted by the likes of Sainberries Is that worth the risk at this stage when they could just buy us off and not risk that ? You only have to look at organisations like the NHS or the Police. They quite often settle out of court, for sums of money that look obscene, but this then involves no burden of guilt. It's better to settle ten cases at a cost of 1m each, than lose one for 5m, which could result in a total costs of 50m (if you get my drift).
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Post by Thatslife on Jan 20, 2016 16:47:09 GMT
Could happen on the court room steps, could be a case of who bottles it first. I maybe wrong but I doubt many Court of Appeal cases are settled on the court room steps, as all the costs of Barristers etc will have already been incurred. As far as investors now knowing what the club's worth until after the Appeal hearing, surely that only applies if investors are interested in taking over the club/buidling the UWE and NH is prepared to sell, if they are they are keeping a very low profile! They only reach agreement on the court room steps eg you pay our legal expenses plus £*******etc etc
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 20, 2016 18:35:26 GMT
You are right in what you say BUT if by chance we do win the case that could open the floodgates for all the other pending developments shafted by the likes of Sainberries Is that worth the risk at this stage when they could just buy us off and not risk that ? You only have to look at organisations like the NHS or the Police. They quite often settle out of court, for sums of money that look obscene, but this then involves no burden of guilt. It's better to settle ten cases at a cost of 1m each, than lose one for 5m, which could result in a total costs of 50m (if you get my drift). Problem is if they settle ours out of court will it encourage the other developers to pursue their claims as a Court of Appeal Judgement will set a line in the sand as far as they are concerned? Also what settlement would NH now take bearing inin mind he's apparently rejected previous offers?
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jan 20, 2016 19:33:55 GMT
In reply to the OP yes i think one way or another UWE will still happen for one reason.....it has to!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 20, 2016 19:51:30 GMT
In reply to the OP yes i think one way or another UWE will still happen for one reason.....i t has to!Only if somebody can come up with the £30m+ build cost?
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 20, 2016 20:42:19 GMT
Sorry, but maybe a reality check and bubble bursting for some. We are the appellant, and as such the weaker case by definition. Sainsburys have already won. They hold the high ground legally. We seek to overturn that decision, so the only deal to be done prior to the hearing would be us walking away. Sainsburys don't need to 'deal' unless our appeal point is overwhelmingly powerful that they have no choice but to concede. I doubt that very much. thank god someone saved me a lot of writing. Sainsbury's have already won a major court case. I'm all for positivity but we are in danger of being as naive as we were in 2012 & 2013 when PP was granted pn both sites.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 20, 2016 20:46:12 GMT
In reply to the OP yes i think one way or another UWE will still happen for one reason.....i t has to!Only if somebody can come up with the £30m+ build cost? if we had £30m building can start tmw. It could have started on 2013 & been finished by now. Every time City waste another £10m a year on nothing, a little piece of me dies.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jan 20, 2016 21:17:10 GMT
In reply to the OP yes i think one way or another UWE will still happen for one reason.....it has to! Let's just get all this court stuff over and done with once and for all then the real fun can begin, eh JTS?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 21:38:11 GMT
The feeling I have is the same as always,and that's hope.We all know what is said about that. Thankfully we have DC and the team to keep me smiling
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 20, 2016 22:19:28 GMT
In reply to the OP yes i think one way or another UWE will still happen for one reason.....it has to! Glad you are still feeling positive (ish). Do you have any thoughts on timing? Do you think we are nearly there and it would be ready for the season after next or longer?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 22:20:57 GMT
In reply to the OP yes i think one way or another UWE will still happen for one reason.....it has to! Let's just get all this court stuff over and done with once and for all then the real fun can begin, eh JTS?! Some may say dc and the team take a lot of heat of nicky eh?
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jan 21, 2016 8:08:50 GMT
In reply to the OP yes i think one way or another UWE will still happen for one reason.....it has to! Glad you are still feeling positive (ish). Do you have any thoughts on timing? Do you think we are nearly there and it would be ready for the season after next or longer? Once the court case is done the club will know exactly where they stand and plan a,b,c etc etc will have to be revealed and anyone who has an interest will need to reveal themselves and their plans/intentions cause UWE and south glos won't wait forever and in my opinion a plot with pp may takes years to come up again. Time for the club and/or a n other to come out of the shadows and start getting things done cause the Sainsburys excuse/hold up will soon be over. Time the fans got to see some proof in the pudding. Purely my opinion of course.
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Post by roverstillidie on Jan 21, 2016 8:33:41 GMT
Glad you are still feeling positive (ish). Do you have any thoughts on timing? Do you think we are nearly there and it would be ready for the season after next or longer? Once the court case is done the club will know exactly where they stand and plan a,b,c etc etc will have to be revealed and anyone who has an interest will need to reveal themselves and their plans/intentions cause UWE and south glos won't wait forever and in my opinion a plot with pp may takes years to come up again. Time for the club and/or a n other to come out of the shadows and start getting things done cause the Sainsburys excuse/hold up will soon be over. Time the fans got to see some proof in the pudding. Purely my opinion of course. I used to work for a local building contractor/developer. They used to commence work on a very small aspect of a project which already had planning permission granted, such as a small section of foundation's, then leave it for a while until the market became more buoyant. The reason for this was if construction work was deemed to have started, this safeguarded against pp lapsing. If the fear is losing pp, I would have thought this loophole could have been exploited in the case of the UWE
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 21, 2016 8:33:49 GMT
Glad you are still feeling positive (ish). Do you have any thoughts on timing? Do you think we are nearly there and it would be ready for the season after next or longer? Once the court case is done the club will know exactly where they stand and plan a,b,c etc etc will have to be revealed and anyone who has an interest will need to reveal themselves and their plans/intentions cause UWE and south glos won't wait forever and in my opinion a plot with pp may takes years to come up again. Time for the club and/or a n other to come out of the shadows and start getting things done cause the Sainsburys excuse/hold up will soon be over. Time the fans got to see some proof in the pudding. Purely my opinion of course. Unfortunately, surely that will only be the case if we lose? As if we win then unless Sainsbury's immediately conceded defeat and confirm they buy the Mem for £30m we'll, at best, have another fight over compensation or, at worse, have a wait until we see if they intend Appealing, then seeing if they get leave to Appeal and if they do then it could be years longer waiting for the outcome of the Appeal.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jan 21, 2016 8:39:32 GMT
Once the court case is done the club will know exactly where they stand and plan a,b,c etc etc will have to be revealed and anyone who has an interest will need to reveal themselves and their plans/intentions cause UWE and south glos won't wait forever and in my opinion a plot with pp may takes years to come up again. Time for the club and/or a n other to come out of the shadows and start getting things done cause the Sainsburys excuse/hold up will soon be over. Time the fans got to see some proof in the pudding. Purely my opinion of course. I used to work for a local building contractor/developer. They used to commence work on a very small aspect of a project which already had planning permission granted, such as a small section of foundation's, then leave it for a while until the market became more buoyant. The reason for this was if construction work was deemed to have started, this safeguarded against pp lapsing. If the fear is losing pp, I would have thought this loophole could have been exploited in the case of the UWE
It's a good point mate. But we can't play on foundations and we haven't built a bloody permanent stand since the tote end in the 50''s and supporters like me are gettin sick of it as well as running out of time to watch football in the thing. I honestly feel that next month some of us should start applying some pressure. No offence meant to anybody.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 21, 2016 8:41:16 GMT
Once the court case is done the club will know exactly where they stand and plan a,b,c etc etc will have to be revealed and anyone who has an interest will need to reveal themselves and their plans/intentions cause UWE and south glos won't wait forever and in my opinion a plot with pp may takes years to come up again. Time for the club and/or a n other to come out of the shadows and start getting things done cause the Sainsburys excuse/hold up will soon be over. Time the fans got to see some proof in the pudding. Purely my opinion of course. I used to work for a local building contractor/developer. They used to commence work on a very small aspect of a project which already had planning permission granted, such as a small section of foundation's, then leave it for a while until the market became more buoyant. The reason for this was if construction work was deemed to have started, this safeguarded against pp lapsing. If the fear is losing pp, I would have thought this loophole could have been exploited in the case of the UWE
Perhaps the UWE just don't want work to start on their land w/o some evidence the staduim will actually be built?
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jan 21, 2016 8:47:24 GMT
I used to work for a local building contractor/developer. They used to commence work on a very small aspect of a project which already had planning permission granted, such as a small section of foundation's, then leave it for a while until the market became more buoyant. The reason for this was if construction work was deemed to have started, this safeguarded against pp lapsing. If the fear is losing pp, I would have thought this loophole could have been exploited in the case of the UWE
Perhaps the UWE just don't want work to start on their land w/o some evidence the staduim will actually be built? Exactly They've already had to build a temporary car park that we were supposed to build cause we've dilly dallied ! They've been patient but they won't wait forever and there's just a small chance someone else who has got cash to burn and puts money into sport might just snatch the place and build something!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 21, 2016 8:57:44 GMT
I used to work for a local building contractor/developer. They used to commence work on a very small aspect of a project which already had planning permission granted, such as a small section of foundation's, then leave it for a while until the market became more buoyant. The reason for this was if construction work was deemed to have started, this safeguarded against pp lapsing. If the fear is losing pp, I would have thought this loophole could have been exploited in the case of the UWE
Perhaps the UWE just don't want work to start on their land w/o some evidence the staduim will actually be built? The UWE with its partners, will start to build the UWE Sports complex, if rovers hang about much more
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 21, 2016 8:58:43 GMT
Perhaps the UWE just don't want work to start on their land w/o some evidence the staduim will actually be built? Exactly They've already had to build a temporary car park that we were supposed to build cause we've dilly dallied ! They've been patient but they won't wait forever and there's just a small chance someone else who has got cash to burn and puts money into sport might just snatch the place and build something! UWE have the project planning team in place for the rest of the site....
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Post by roverstillidie on Jan 21, 2016 9:16:18 GMT
I used to work for a local building contractor/developer. They used to commence work on a very small aspect of a project which already had planning permission granted, such as a small section of foundation's, then leave it for a while until the market became more buoyant. The reason for this was if construction work was deemed to have started, this safeguarded against pp lapsing. If the fear is losing pp, I would have thought this loophole could have been exploited in the case of the UWE
It's a good point mate. But we can't play on foundations and we haven't built a bloody permanent stand since the tote end in the 50''s and supporters like me are gettin sick of it as well as running out of time to watch football in the thing. I honestly feel that next month some of us should start applying some pressure. No offence meant to anybody. None taken.....I realise that we cant play on foundations, my reply was referring to the point regarding the concern of planning permission lapsing.
I've been putting up with the same below average facilities since the 70's and I'm just as sick of it as you are mate tbh.
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