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Post by aghast on Feb 15, 2016 16:53:03 GMT
If 65% of shares in the club had been sold to a 3rd party, would this mean we'd been taken over already? All the talk was true? Of course acquiring a majority shareholding would not be the same as investing £40m. I'd like to know where the 65% has gone.... Maybe someone lost it. Might be down the back of the South Stand. Best dangle Toni down there to find it then.
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Post by Big Jock on Feb 15, 2016 17:02:11 GMT
God Ah loove thes place.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Feb 15, 2016 17:05:06 GMT
Not interested, lets sort out the consortium rubbish before we have another NH bash. For goodness sakes have some pride man ! I'd say it's pretty interesting that an unknown person or persons seems to own a decent part of our club.
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Post by Mancgas has left the building on Feb 15, 2016 17:11:59 GMT
Jesus man, you really are a pain the arse, do you just keep posting until you get one right ? Scatter gun Gasincider ? Deal with your consortium thread first eh ? Does KS sponsor you ? why bring KS into it, he's long past Rovers other than as a passing interest so perhaps its time you forgot him too. He certainly isnt bothered enough to start rumour's and certainly not via gasincider (no offense implied) I can 100% confirm no ex director living south of Worcester is behind any of these rumours (given they've asked me what I think is going on, and I know 3/5ths of feck all). This shouldn't be taken to imply an ex director living north of Worcester is involved as the only time I speak to him, we talk about facts and how life is treating us.....and joke about his clubs manager being Marcus Bigknob.
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Post by gasincider on Feb 15, 2016 17:13:05 GMT
I think someone is misreading the posts. I haven't said 65% is missing. I said that the directors holdings have been reduced from 69% to 32% based on the accounts. I assume that all other holdings remain the same. The total equity give or take some purchased by the share scheme during the year is the same.
Therefore 37% seem to have gone astray. I assume NH has stolen them coz I hate him so much. But the reality is, it could be they still own them in some other format that the accounts do not reveal.
I just think that it is very interesting that so many seem to have been possibly disposed of, and in the current climate, could it be connected?
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Post by dinsdale on Feb 15, 2016 17:43:48 GMT
I think someone is misreading the posts. I haven't said 65% is missing. I said that the directors holdings have been reduced from 69% to 32% based on the accounts. I assume that all other holdings remain the same. The total equity give or take some purchased by the share scheme during the year is the same. Therefore 37% seem to have gone astray. I assume NH has stolen them coz I hate him so much. But the reality is, it could be they still own them in some other format that the accounts do not reveal. I just think that it is very interesting that so many seem to have been possibly disposed of, and in the current climate, could it be connected? It is really interesting, its a legal requirement that the club publish a list of anyone who owns more then 10%. My feeling is that the shareholding is the same but perhaps has been put into trust or the name of a buisness like Geoff did.
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Post by dinsdale on Feb 15, 2016 17:49:49 GMT
Not interested, lets sort out the consortium rubbish before we have another NH bash. For goodness sakes have some pride man ! How is he having a bash out of interest ? You have made your point about the consortium and fair enough too after a big story was promised and never turned up but this is factual and is really big news.
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Post by newmarketgas on Feb 15, 2016 18:01:11 GMT
I thought you had me blocked ? I can't see what you wrote !
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Post by dinsdale on Feb 15, 2016 18:02:55 GMT
I thought you had me blocked ? I can't see what you wrote ! Nope, I asked how to and then never did. Thought I would give you another chance and be more polite to you myself and see if that helps.
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Post by Severncider on Feb 15, 2016 18:03:26 GMT
If anyone wants a copy of these, send me a PM with your email address and I will send a copy. Have no idea how to upload the 30 page document to this forum. I am staggered that this info is not on the EP website, it usually is, but I'm not really surprised. I've received a few requests and will deal with those later on tonight.
I'll have to call a halt on requests after 7pm but am happy to supply a copy to someone who knows how to upload the 30 page document to this forum.
I know some are anxious to prove Gasincider is telling porkies about these accounts, probably not on this forum, but I'm afraid they are wasting their time.
Also, the document is a public document the minute it has been forwarded to Shareholders. I assume it will not appear on the Companies House website until the document is posted to them and I have no idea what the time limit is.
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Post by newmarketgas on Feb 15, 2016 18:04:11 GMT
Dinsdale, What ? Only joking.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Feb 15, 2016 18:20:22 GMT
Not interested, lets sort out the consortium rubbish before we have another NH bash. For goodness sakes have some pride man ! I'd say it's pretty interesting that an unknown person or persons seems to own a decent part of our club. You never know, it could be a.......consortium
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 15, 2016 18:34:06 GMT
I think someone is misreading the posts. I haven't said 65% is missing. I said that the directors holdings have been reduced from 69% to 32% based on the accounts. I assume that all other holdings remain the same. The total equity give or take some purchased by the share scheme during the year is the same. Therefore 37% seem to have gone astray. I assume NH has stolen them coz I hate him so much. But the reality is, it could be they still own them in some other format that the accounts do not reveal. I just think that it is very interesting that so many seem to have been possibly disposed of, and in the current climate, could it be connected? I've been told its called " Bed & Breakfast" when people move ownership of shares around
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 18:34:29 GMT
But these accounts are up to June 2015? If so, then they don't reflect anything that has happened since then?
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Post by rambo on Feb 15, 2016 18:49:00 GMT
But these accounts are up to June 2015? If so, then they don't reflect anything that has happened since then? Not in terms of numbers generally, but post balance sheet events such as this, ie related to directors, are generally disclosed as at the date of signature. Essentially they should show the truest and fairest view possible in order for them to be accurately used by stakeholders. So I think it would probably show the latest shareholdings despite being a year or so on.
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Post by rambo on Feb 15, 2016 18:49:27 GMT
If anyone wants a copy of these, send me a PM with your email address and I will send a copy. Have no idea how to upload the 30 page document to this forum. I am staggered that this info is not on the EP website, it usually is, but I'm not really surprised. I've received a few requests and will deal with those later on tonight.
I'll have to call a halt on requests after 7pm but am happy to supply a copy to someone who knows how to upload the 30 page document to this forum.
I know some are anxious to prove Gasincider is telling porkies about these accounts, probably not on this forum, but I'm afraid they are wasting their time.
Also, the document is a public document the minute it has been forwarded to Shareholders. I assume it will not appear on the Companies House website until the document is posted to them and I have no idea what the time limit is.
9 months, so 31 March.
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Post by dinsdale on Feb 15, 2016 18:50:08 GMT
Dinsdale, What ? Only joking. gertcha !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 18:53:01 GMT
I'd say it's pretty interesting that an unknown person or persons seems to own a decent part of our club. You never know, it could be a.......consortium Wash your mouth out with swafega you dirty boy.
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Post by gasincider on Feb 15, 2016 18:53:50 GMT
But these accounts are up to June 2015? If so, then they don't reflect anything that has happened since then? Excellent Nobby. Unfortunately the accounts to June 2016 are held up for some reason. Oh I know, we haven't got there yet. Accounts always reflect a past period because we haven't reached the future yet. Only joking?
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Post by gasincider on Feb 15, 2016 19:04:43 GMT
I've been told its called " Bed & Breakfast" when people move ownership of shares around No, a b & b transaction was done to achieve a capital loss in a tax year to reduce your liability to a tax charge on your remaining assets. I.e. If you are looking at capital gains of £100,000 in a tax year but you own shares which if you sold them, you may lose up to say £10,000 you would do so to reduce your overall cap gain to £90,000, which is what you would be charged a capital gain on. The trick is, you then buy them back at the lower price which creates a new start point for your next potential profit or loss. So you sell then repurchase the shares to create a tax loss but repurchase them so you don't lose your investment. Ive lost myself now. In fact I'm not even sure you can still do it. I've long since lost interest in it. If you put shares into a trust, you should not have a further beneficial interest in them
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