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Post by lincsblue on Mar 3, 2016 20:10:11 GMT
Nottingham is the closest sized 2 club City in terms of population, Forest regularly fill their ground
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 3, 2016 20:16:06 GMT
Not sure you can compare us with Birmingham but I guess you could add Liverpool to the list as they have no trouble supporting two clubs in a similar sized metropolis. Yes you could use Liverpool as a comparison but neither Liverpool or Everton have been in League 2 or ever started with an average attendance of 6,000. I think we in Bristol are nearest to Nottingham with one side larger than the other in attendance over the past 30+ years. UTG!
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Post by chippenhamgas on Mar 3, 2016 20:17:07 GMT
Nottingham is the closest sized 2 club City in terms of population, Forest regularly fill their ground Nottingham has no surrounding area like bristol though. Greater bristol is over one million, nottingham around 250k.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 3, 2016 20:17:30 GMT
Not sure you can compare us with Birmingham but I guess you could add Liverpool to the list as they have no trouble supporting two clubs in a similar sized metropolis. Yes you could use Liverpool as a comparison but neither Liverpool or Everton have been in League 2 or ever started with an average attendance of 6,000. I think we in Bristol are nearest to Nottingham with one side larger than the other in attendance over the past 30+ years. UTG! I don't think there was much between them back in the day, but then Forest won the league and the European cup. Notts County always remind me of how lucky Rovers are.
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Post by madgas on Mar 3, 2016 20:19:32 GMT
Having traveled from Wiltshire to watch rovers in more youthful years. Bristol also has those neighbouring towns to tap into. It's the perfect position to get those towns in west wilts and bath. Just off the M4.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Mar 3, 2016 20:21:02 GMT
Having traveled from Wiltshire to watch rovers in more youthful years. Bristol also has those neighbouring towns to tap into. It's the perfect position to get those towns in west wilts and bath. Just off the M4. Quite a few of us in chippers, and many non fans saying to me they'd pop along to a few games when uwe is built.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Mar 3, 2016 20:23:02 GMT
Yes you could use Liverpool as a comparison but neither Liverpool or Everton have been in League 2 or ever started with an average attendance of 6,000. I think we in Bristol are nearest to Nottingham with one side larger than the other in attendance over the past 30+ years. UTG! I don't think there was much between them back in the day, but then Forest won the league and the European cup. Notts County always remind me of how lucky Rovers are. Despite our massive difference in resources over the past 30 years city still only average double ours, Forest average five times more than county.
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Post by madgas on Mar 3, 2016 21:24:15 GMT
Having traveled from Wiltshire to watch rovers in more youthful years. Bristol also has those neighbouring towns to tap into. It's the perfect position to get those towns in west wilts and bath. Just off the M4. Quite a few of us in chippers, and many non fans saying to me they'd pop along to a few games when uwe is built. Will take 15 mins off the journey and you hopefully the car will be less at risk. Had a verichle broken into twice berry lane direction. And the 'higher' up the leagues you go- the more of those fans we'll get. Plus we have a fricken university to tap into. The UWE football team could raffle 50 tickets tickets a week for their own purposes- and to promote rovers. Football league trophy: students and kids a fiver. Students a fiver and kids a fiver.
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Post by aghast on Mar 3, 2016 21:41:29 GMT
iirc the 26,000 can be done without extra pp, but not the 35,000. 26,000 can be done without any major structural alterations, as everything is designed to carry the extra loads. It might still need planning permission though. 35,000 definitely would as it would involve significant changes. The issue with the increase to 35,000 is the impact it would have on sightlines of residents further down the hill. As it is planned it sits in a natural bowl and does not have much impact looking towards the university. The whole roof would have to be taken off, a third tier build and the higher roof replaced, but as I understand it the design allows for this without altering the foundations. The planning permission and of course the cost would be the obstacles.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 3, 2016 22:15:38 GMT
Yes you could use Liverpool as a comparison but neither Liverpool or Everton have been in League 2 or ever started with an average attendance of 6,000. I think we in Bristol are nearest to Nottingham with one side larger than the other in attendance over the past 30+ years. UTG! I don't think there was much between them back in the day, but then Forest won the league and the European cup. Notts County always remind me of how lucky Rovers are. You could add Stoke City & Port Vale to that list, although I assume Stoke is tiny compared to Bristol so they do well to keep two professional clubs going.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 3, 2016 22:19:10 GMT
26,000 can be done without any major structural alterations, as everything is designed to carry the extra loads. It might still need planning permission though. 35,000 definitely would as it would involve significant changes. The issue with the increase to 35,000 is the impact it would have on sightlines of residents further down the hill. As it is planned it sits in a natural bowl and does not have much impact looking towards the university. The whole roof would have to be taken off, a third tier build and the higher roof replaced, but as I understand it the design allows for this without altering the foundations. The planning permission and of course the cost would be the obstacles. But is it really an issue or are we getting a bit carried away about the capacity required at the UWE? Regardless I guess finding a plot of land anywhere in S Glos where we could get pp for a 35,000 capacity stadium would be a nightmare? Unless we built it right in the middle of the old Filton run way?
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Post by Staffordshire Gas on Mar 3, 2016 22:35:18 GMT
I don't think there was much between them back in the day, but then Forest won the league and the European cup. Notts County always remind me of how lucky Rovers are. You could add Stoke City & Port Vale to that list, although I assume Stoke is tiny compared to Bristol so they do well to keep two professional clubs going. Population of Stoke-on-Trent 220,000.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 3, 2016 22:38:13 GMT
I don't think there was much between them back in the day, but then Forest won the league and the European cup. Notts County always remind me of how lucky Rovers are. You could add Stoke City & Port Vale to that list, although I assume Stoke is tiny compared to Bristol so they do well to keep two professional clubs going. I was having a look at this list of metropolitan areas (which is pretty arbitrary) and the biggest one-team areas are Brighton, Leicester, Bournemouth and Northampton. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom
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Post by youmadethatup on Mar 3, 2016 22:58:39 GMT
You could add Stoke City & Port Vale to that list, although I assume Stoke is tiny compared to Bristol so they do well to keep two professional clubs going. Population of Stoke-on-Trent 220,000. Isn't stoke-on-trent a collection of five towns ?...Burslem (where vale are based) being one of them ? A bit like midsomer Norton /paulton/radstock for example
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 3, 2016 23:07:02 GMT
I don't think there was much between them back in the day, but then Forest won the league and the European cup. Notts County always remind me of how lucky Rovers are. You could add Stoke City & Port Vale to that list, although I assume Stoke is tiny compared to Bristol so they do well to keep two professional clubs going. Yes, that's a really good comparison. Spent time in Nottingham in 70s and whilst Notts Co were in Div 1 Forest were always better supported whilst Stoke and PV were close in 80s but still Stoke got better crowds. IMO what this takeover has done for Rovers is give us our best chance ever to rival City resource wise, team wise and were we to do that then our crowds will improve and if we give people a great match-day experience we will get equal or even better crowds than them and keep them if we can attract families. As others have said if we can attract young fans we keep them for life and we will attract people from a far wider area. These people really give us a chance to do this. UTG!
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Post by mumbles on Mar 4, 2016 0:25:24 GMT
You could add Stoke City & Port Vale to that list, although I assume Stoke is tiny compared to Bristol so they do well to keep two professional clubs going. Yes, that's a really good comparison. Spent time in Nottingham in 70s and whilst Notts Co were in Div 1 Forest were always better supported whilst Stoke and PV were close in 80s but still Stoke got better crowds. IMO what this takeover has done for Rovers is give us our best chance ever to rival City resource wise, team wise and were we to do that then our crowds will improve and if we give people a great match-day experience we will get equal or even better crowds than them and keep them if we can attract families. As others have said if we can attract young fans we keep them for life and we will attract people from a far wider area. These people really give us a chance to do this. UTG!n You are dead right about the matchday experience. We need to be providing things for all ages. We've got the opertunity to be transformational... Good quality food and drink at reasonable prices, entertainment for the kids (maybe soft play for the younger kids in the family stand), live music in the concourses (remember seeing an amazing jazz band when watching the Chicago Bulls - was more memorable than the basketball!), embrace digital tech for interactive polls, quizzes, messages on the big screens etc, freebies for the first x number through the doors. Basically anything to make people spend as long as possible at the stadium using the facilities and make sure they want to keep coming back.
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Post by lincsblue on Mar 4, 2016 0:45:45 GMT
Nottingham is the closest sized 2 club City in terms of population, Forest regularly fill their ground Nottingham has no surrounding area like bristol though. Greater bristol is over one million, nottingham around 250k. Indeed.....so that strengthens our potential crowds
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 4, 2016 0:48:22 GMT
Yes, that's a really good comparison. Spent time in Nottingham in 70s and whilst Notts Co were in Div 1 Forest were always better supported whilst Stoke and PV were close in 80s but still Stoke got better crowds. IMO what this takeover has done for Rovers is give us our best chance ever to rival City resource wise, team wise and were we to do that then our crowds will improve and if we give people a great match-day experience we will get equal or even better crowds than them and keep them if we can attract families. As others have said if we can attract young fans we keep them for life and we will attract people from a far wider area. These people really give us a chance to do this. UTG!n You are dead right about the matchday experience. We need to be providing things for all ages. We've got the opertunity to be transformational... Good quality food and drink at reasonable prices, entertainment for the kids (maybe soft play for the younger kids in the family stand), live music in the concourses (remember seeing an amazing jazz band when watching the Chicago Bulls - was more memorable than the basketball!), embrace digital tech for interactive polls, quizzes, messages on the big screens etc, freebies for the first x number through the doors. Basically anything to make people spend as long as possible at the stadium using the facilities and make sure they want to keep coming back. Spot on! UTG!
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Post by lincsblue on Mar 4, 2016 0:56:45 GMT
That's what we need to do...maybe offer
a matchday ticket at X,but for X+ a further fee the purchaser get's to have a sit down meal before or after the game. ??
Buy a ticket early enough and get 5% off of any merchandising from the shop??
People with adv tickets get 20% discount from their first drink or burger??
There must be many more "package" opportunities that can be easily implemented.....
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Post by lulworthgas on Mar 4, 2016 1:04:48 GMT
The issue with the increase to 35,000 is the impact it would have on sightlines of residents further down the hill. As it is planned it sits in a natural bowl and does not have much impact looking towards the university. The whole roof would have to be taken off, a third tier build and the higher roof replaced, but as I understand it the design allows for this without altering the foundations. The planning permission and of course the cost would be the obstacles. But is it really an issue or are we getting a bit carried away about the capacity required at the UWE? Regardless I guess finding a plot of land anywhere in S Glos where we could get pp for a 35,000 capacity stadium would be a nightmare? Unless we built it right in the middle of the old Filton run way? frenchay hospital.
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