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Post by garygas on Mar 12, 2016 22:52:15 GMT
Having scored his 40th goal in 2 seasons (impressive at any level) Matty Taylor still gets a lot of stick on the forum. I'm not trying to provoke any arguments it just got me thinking about pre internet days with no Twitter Facebook or forums. I wonder what people would have been writing about people like big Dev or Chris McLean. Would Gerry's mullet have his own Facebook page or maybe twentypences mustash. We often watch players in a different way now often with others opinions not just our own I suppose. Lambert was fat and sh** for a while wasn't he. On another subject how come linsey is one of our own but Ollie Clarke doesn't get the chant ?
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Post by therovers on Mar 12, 2016 23:00:22 GMT
Having scored his 40th goal in 2 seasons (impressive at any level) Matty Taylor still gets a lot of stick on the forum. I'm not trying to provoke any arguments it just got me thinking about pre internet days with no Twitter Facebook or forums. I wonder what people would have been writing about people like big Dev or Chris McLean. Would Gerry's mullet have his own Facebook page or maybe twentypences mustash. We often watch players in a different way now often with others opinions not just our own I suppose. Lambert was fat and sh** for a while wasn't he. On another subject how come linsey is one of our own but Ollie Clarke doesn't get the chant ? i didn't know Ollie Clarke is Bristolian. UTG
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Post by gregsy on Mar 12, 2016 23:01:14 GMT
I've said it before and i'll say it again....
matty has more fans on here than critics, it's just that the critics are relentless....
end of....
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Post by gheadray on Mar 12, 2016 23:04:37 GMT
Ollie is a Bristol lad
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Post by socrates on Mar 12, 2016 23:10:29 GMT
Having scored his 40th goal in 2 seasons (impressive at any level) Matty Taylor still gets a lot of stick on the forum. I'm not trying to provoke any arguments it just got me thinking about pre internet days with no Twitter Facebook or forums. I wonder what people would have been writing about people like big Dev or Chris McLean. Would Gerry's mullet have his own Facebook page or maybe twentypences mustash. We often watch players in a different way now often with others opinions not just our own I suppose. Lambert was fat and sh** for a while wasn't he. On another subject how come linsey is one of our own but Ollie Clarke doesn't get the chant ? Taylor's record with us is very impressive and I think it's only a very small monitory who still think he's sh**e, in fact probably just one person on this forum. Ollie Clarke has never held down a first teAm place for any length of time so I suppose that's why he's not got his own song but yes he is bristolian. I think he's the ideal player to take over from Mansel next season or the one after because he is slowly improving and he's still young. Lines has come back to Rovers a more complete player in the sense that he's not just about fancy flicks and through balls anymore, he gets stuck in more and covers more ground and that's because he knows that Darrell Clarke won't except anything less and the fans can see that and he's won over a hell of a lot of people with that attitude , me included. As for Gerry Fancis mullet having its own Facebook page I don't know but yeah it probably would have.
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Post by mjhgas on Mar 12, 2016 23:31:54 GMT
Both White & McLean are legends! League 1 winners & the way it happened made it even better!
TBone would've moaned that neither could trap a bag of cement !!! Devon's third touch was awful, Christian's fourth touch terrible and Groff Twentyman had 50p shins!!!
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Post by lpgas on Mar 13, 2016 0:24:25 GMT
Today on the Blackthorn 2 blokes behind me were going on about how sh** Taylor is and why is he in the team, and this was after he scored. Eventually I could take no more, and I turned around and said " What are you two on about, Taylor has scored 20 goals this season, probably the winner today, and without his 20 goals last season we would still be down in the Conference and we wouldn't have a new owner" What has he got to do to make you think he is a good player?"
well it shut them up!!
We have 4 good players in the team. Taylor, Lines, Ollie Clark and Lockyear. All of them have what the others lack, and that is vision. Lockyear uses it to read the game and put in great tackles without going to ground or fouling. Lines and to a lesser extent Olly Clark use it to put through some great passes, the problem is a lot of the other players are not on their level and don't make the runs that Lines and Clark had expected them to. The same applies to Taylor except he uses his vision to see opportunities. Twice he has scored this week by ghosting in at the far post when everyone had thought the ball was going out.
If all the other players had this "gift" we would certainly be in the Championship, because the more players you have that have vision the higher up you go.
So many Rovers supporters don't realise this, or even care. It doesn't matter how good you are if you lose the ball, give it away or kick it out you are "f**king useless".
Also so many of them live in the past, "we need a target man". We needed one in the 1970's, and got one in the shape of Alan Warboys. Today only a few lower league teams play with a "target man". Football has changed. I would take a small pacey, clever player with vision over a lumbering giant anyday. Remember Matt Harrold, he was a target man for us, and we hoofed and hoofed to ball to him endlessly. It was boring and in the end did us no good at all.
Cureton had vision and would often make runs that the others didn't see, and he would, mostly by the people around me be called a "useless lazy Lady garden", even when he won the golden boot!!!!
As for Warboys, yes he was a hero for us, but he wasn't just a "target man". He was better than that. He was quick, and could shoot with either foot. If you want to talk target men Andy Lochhead, was probably the best I saw, and he played in the top division, and at a time the defenders would try and break your legs with legitimate too footed sliding tackles from behind. Todays players have it easy!
Although I have always thought of Holloway as a bit of a headless chicken, I must admit that the forward line of Cureton and Roberts was the birth of modern football at Rovers. Why? because neither of them was a "target man". Neither of them headed it for a start, far to worried about their hair gel.
No, you don't need a target man, you need players who have vision, and anticipation and who can bring the ball under control from out of the sky with one movement of their foot. In fact we need some more Taylors, Lockyers and Lines.
( I think montano is quite good too, just needs more game time!!)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 0:55:50 GMT
Today on the Blackthorn 2 blokes behind me were going on about how sh** Taylor is and why is he in the team, and this was after he scored. Eventually I could take no more, and I turned around and said " What are you two on about, Taylor has scored 20 goals this season, probably the winner today, and without his 20 goals last season we would still be down in the Conference and we wouldn't have a new owner" What has he got to do to make you think he is a good player?" well it shut them up!! We have 4 good players in the team. Taylor, Lines, Ollie Clark and Lockyear. All of them have what the others lack, and that is vision. Lockyear uses it to read the game and put in great tackles without going to ground or fouling. Lines and to a lesser extent Olly Clark use it to put through some great passes, the problem is a lot of the other players are not on their level and don't make the runs that Lines and Clark had expected them to. The same applies to Taylor except he uses his vision to see opportunities. Twice he has scored this week by ghosting in at the far post when everyone had thought the ball was going out. If all the other players had this "gift" we would certainly be in the Championship, because the more players you have that have vision the higher up you go. So many Rovers supporters don't realise this, or even care. It doesn't matter how good you are if you lose the ball, give it away or kick it out you are "f**king useless". Also so many of them live in the past, "we need a target man". We needed one in the 1970's, and got one in the shape of Alan Warboys. Today only a few lower league teams play with a "target man". Football has changed. I would take a small pacey, clever player with vision over a lumbering giant anyday. Remember Matt Harrold, he was a target man for us, and we hoofed and hoofed to ball to him endlessly. It was boring and in the end did us no good at all. Cureton had vision and would often make runs that the others didn't see, and he would, mostly by the people around me be called a "useless lazy Lady garden", even when he won the golden boot!!!! As for Warboys, yes he was a hero for us, but he wasn't just a "target man". He was better than that. He was quick, and could shoot with either foot. If you want to talk target men Andy Lochhead, was probably the best I saw, and he played in the top division, and at a time the defenders would try and break your legs with legitimate too footed sliding tackles from behind. Todays players have it easy! Although I have always thought of Holloway as a bit of a headless chicken, I must admit that the forward line of Cureton and Roberts was the birth of modern football at Rovers. Why? because neither of them was a "target man". Neither of them headed it for a start, far to worried about their hair gel. No, you don't need a target man, you need players who have vision, and anticipation and who can bring the ball under control from out of the sky with one movement of their foot. In fact we need some more Taylors, Lockyers and Lines. ( I think montano is quite good too, just needs more game time!!) it must be fantastic to have such a high opinion of your own opinions,,made me chuckle
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Post by peterhooper57 on Mar 13, 2016 5:00:32 GMT
Today on the Blackthorn 2 blokes behind me were going on about how sh** Taylor is and why is he in the team, and this was after he scored. Eventually I could take no more, and I turned around and said " What are you two on about, Taylor has scored 20 goals this season, probably the winner today, and without his 20 goals last season we would still be down in the Conference and we wouldn't have a new owner" What has he got to do to make you think he is a good player?" well it shut them up!! We have 4 good players in the team. Taylor, Lines, Ollie Clark and Lockyear. All of them have what the others lack, and that is vision. Lockyear uses it to read the game and put in great tackles without going to ground or fouling. Lines and to a lesser extent Olly Clark use it to put through some great passes, the problem is a lot of the other players are not on their level and don't make the runs that Lines and Clark had expected them to. The same applies to Taylor except he uses his vision to see opportunities. Twice he has scored this week by ghosting in at the far post when everyone had thought the ball was going out. If all the other players had this "gift" we would certainly be in the Championship, because the more players you have that have vision the higher up you go. So many Rovers supporters don't realise this, or even care. It doesn't matter how good you are if you lose the ball, give it away or kick it out you are "f**king useless". Also so many of them live in the past, "we need a target man". We needed one in the 1970's, and got one in the shape of Alan Warboys. Today only a few lower league teams play with a "target man". Football has changed. I would take a small pacey, clever player with vision over a lumbering giant anyday. Remember Matt Harrold, he was a target man for us, and we hoofed and hoofed to ball to him endlessly. It was boring and in the end did us no good at all. Cureton had vision and would often make runs that the others didn't see, and he would, mostly by the people around me be called a "useless lazy Lady garden", even when he won the golden boot!!!! As for Warboys, yes he was a hero for us, but he wasn't just a "target man". He was better than that. He was quick, and could shoot with either foot. If you want to talk target men Andy Lochhead, was probably the best I saw, and he played in the top division, and at a time the defenders would try and break your legs with legitimate too footed sliding tackles from behind. Todays players have it easy! Although I have always thought of Holloway as a bit of a headless chicken, I must admit that the forward line of Cureton and Roberts was the birth of modern football at Rovers. Why? because neither of them was a "target man". Neither of them headed it for a start, far to worried about their hair gel. No, you don't need a target man, you need players who have vision, and anticipation and who can bring the ball under control from out of the sky with one movement of their foot. In fact we need some more Taylors, Lockyers and Lines. ( I think montano is quite good too, just needs more game time!!)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 6:54:53 GMT
We played hoofball long before Harrold. He was actually a decent player with his feet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 6:55:29 GMT
How many good games has Lines had this season?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 13, 2016 7:10:47 GMT
How many good games has Lines had this season? More than Easter but not as many as he should have.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 7:18:15 GMT
How many good games has Lines had this season? More than Easter but not as many as he should have. Lines has played a lot more than Easter though. He also came as a star signing, is probably our top earner and takes most of our set pieces in attacking areas. His output has been poor. I'm glad that he seems to have improved the last 2 games but lps post suggest that 2 good games can erase people's memories!
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Post by gasincider on Mar 13, 2016 8:41:06 GMT
More than Easter but not as many as he should have. Lines has played a lot more than Easter though. He also came as a star signing, is probably our top earner and takes most of our set pieces in attacking areas. His output has been poor. I'm glad that he seems to have improved the last 2 games but lps post suggest that 2 good games can erase people's memories! That is really funny. Especially as Easter literally earns twice what Lines does. Neither one should be retained, but sadly Easter has a deal for next season. Lines has always flattered to deceive. He had one decent game then goes invisible for three or four.
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Post by pilninggas on Mar 13, 2016 9:38:50 GMT
Matt Taylor reminds me so much of Jamie Cureton - similar movement and finishing (and goals scored). People used to get on Cureton's back too: calling him lazy, wasteful, too individual, saying he was sh** if he didn't score during a game and blaming him for the collapse at the end of 99-00. Some would even moan on the terrace when he was banging them in, complaining he wasn't tracking back etc. Fickle sods will always moan. Taylor has his weaknesses, but he ain't Neymar, so as long as he does his job (he did it yesterday) people need to calm down and let him get on with it.
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Post by socrates on Mar 13, 2016 9:41:44 GMT
How many good games has Lines had this season? I think he's had plenty of good games and we lack creativity without him. He's top of our assists table so that backs me up I wonder where he is in the forum match ratings table, I'll have a look later.,
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 13, 2016 9:53:12 GMT
How many good games has Lines had this season? I think he's had plenty of good games and we lack creativity without him. He's top of our assists table so that backs me up I wonder where he is in the forum match ratings table, I'll have a look later., Yeah, our goal yesterday came from an unusual, but spot-on, first-time pass from Lines, the sort of pass none of our other players would have made in that situation. But it goes largely unnoticed.
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Post by lpgas on Mar 13, 2016 12:03:11 GMT
Today on the Blackthorn 2 blokes behind me were going on about how sh** Taylor is and why is he in the team, and this was after he scored. Eventually I could take no more, and I turned around and said " What are you two on about, Taylor has scored 20 goals this season, probably the winner today, and without his 20 goals last season we would still be down in the Conference and we wouldn't have a new owner" What has he got to do to make you think he is a good player?" well it shut them up!! We have 4 good players in the team. Taylor, Lines, Ollie Clark and Lockyear. All of them have what the others lack, and that is vision. Lockyear uses it to read the game and put in great tackles without going to ground or fouling. Lines and to a lesser extent Olly Clark use it to put through some great passes, the problem is a lot of the other players are not on their level and don't make the runs that Lines and Clark had expected them to. The same applies to Taylor except he uses his vision to see opportunities. Twice he has scored this week by ghosting in at the far post when everyone had thought the ball was going out. If all the other players had this "gift" we would certainly be in the Championship, because the more players you have that have vision the higher up you go. So many Rovers supporters don't realise this, or even care. It doesn't matter how good you are if you lose the ball, give it away or kick it out you are "f**king useless". Also so many of them live in the past, "we need a target man". We needed one in the 1970's, and got one in the shape of Alan Warboys. Today only a few lower league teams play with a "target man". Football has changed. I would take a small pacey, clever player with vision over a lumbering giant anyday. Remember Matt Harrold, he was a target man for us, and we hoofed and hoofed to ball to him endlessly. It was boring and in the end did us no good at all. Cureton had vision and would often make runs that the others didn't see, and he would, mostly by the people around me be called a "useless lazy Lady garden", even when he won the golden boot!!!! As for Warboys, yes he was a hero for us, but he wasn't just a "target man". He was better than that. He was quick, and could shoot with either foot. If you want to talk target men Andy Lochhead, was probably the best I saw, and he played in the top division, and at a time the defenders would try and break your legs with legitimate too footed sliding tackles from behind. Todays players have it easy! Although I have always thought of Holloway as a bit of a headless chicken, I must admit that the forward line of Cureton and Roberts was the birth of modern football at Rovers. Why? because neither of them was a "target man". Neither of them headed it for a start, far to worried about their hair gel. No, you don't need a target man, you need players who have vision, and anticipation and who can bring the ball under control from out of the sky with one movement of their foot. In fact we need some more Taylors, Lockyers and Lines. ( I think montano is quite good too, just needs more game time!!) it must be fantastic to have such a high opinion of your own opinions,,made me chuckleI think after watching around 1900 games at all levels I have the right to an opinion!!
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Post by youmadethatup on Mar 13, 2016 14:58:31 GMT
Perhaps if fans praised Taylor more for his goalscoring it might have a bigger impact than they realise. It may bring more people through the turnstiles (?) How many goals has MT got at rovers now ? 40? Compare to other scorers in the past. Dave Staniforth 32 Ronnie Dix 33 Ray Graydon 33 Nathan Ellington 35 Peter Beadle 39 Archive Stephens 40 Junior Agogo 41 Ian Holloway 42 Carl Saunders 42 Steve White 44 Richard Walker 46 Bill Roost 49 Rickie Lambert 51 Fred Corbett 52 Devon White 52 Alan Warboys 53 Marcus Stewart 57
Plenty of players scored much more but let's you see what great strikers MT passes with every goal.....maybe something to put some focus on ??
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Post by mehewmagic on Mar 13, 2016 15:10:53 GMT
I sound like an old fart but I feel sorry for the 'kids of today' who will never have the pleasure of getting their VERY limited info from radio, local rag, ceefax, programme, and (if you were mental enough) clubcall.
I used to roll up at Twerton knowing very little about who was injured, suspended, playing or even had been brought into the club. Innocent days.
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