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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 26, 2016 20:26:27 GMT
Given it's taken us 30 years to get this far Wael would have been a miracle worker if he'd started from scratch, found a suitable plot of land, designed the stadium and get full pp within 6 months, even Pantsdown gave up and decided it was easier to re-build AG. Regardless I doubt Wael would have even given the club a second look w/o the UWE plans being in place.
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Post by socrates on Apr 26, 2016 20:56:09 GMT
I'd rather have David Pipe. As club psychologist.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 5:49:01 GMT
Was just thinking exactly that earlier. We are so, so lucky to have Wael & co. and while NH is/was a divisive character surely if his legacy is nothing other than handing the keys over to WAQ then it's a good one. His lasting legacy was selling up? High praise indeed. Riordan was poor but getting himself dropped and released was footballing genius.
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Post by newmarketgas on Apr 27, 2016 7:09:01 GMT
NH should have let it go bust, then the ones who hate him most could have a real reason to moan. He was far from perfect but he did try bloody hard to get it right, most of us would praise any player with that attitude.
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Post by wiaww on Apr 27, 2016 8:03:18 GMT
Was just thinking exactly that earlier. We are so, so lucky to have Wael & co. and while NH is/was a divisive character surely if his legacy is nothing other than handing the keys over to WAQ then it's a good one. To be fair to NH he seems to have put all the foundations in place for Wael ie a good young manager, a decent squad of players and perhaps best of all the staduim plans, not forgetting regaining our football league status. Cross any one of those achievements off the list and Wael may have looked elsewhere? I thought JW brought in DC as his assistant - I doubt NH would have had much input, would he? The "decent squad" is purely of Darrell's making and lord only knows what will happen next with the stadium. As mentioned elsewhere NH has to be credited for his involvement in arranging the stadium with UWE and securing PP but other than that it was a bit of a shambles. He's played an absolute blinder in finding the Al Qadis as buyers though, as there has been rumours of investors lining up for years and Nick has always said when asked that he would only sell to people with Rovers' best interests at heart.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 9:19:39 GMT
Yes
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 27, 2016 9:43:15 GMT
To be fair to NH he seems to have put all the foundations in place for Wael ie a good young manager, a decent squad of players and perhaps best of all the staduim plans, not forgetting regaining our football league status. Cross any one of those achievements off the list and Wael may have looked elsewhere? I thought JW brought in DC as his assistant - I doubt NH would have had much input, would he? The "decent squad" is purely of Darrell's making and lord only knows what will happen next with the stadium. As mentioned elsewhere NH has to be credited for his involvement in arranging the stadium with UWE and securing PP but other than that it was a bit of a shambles. He's played an absolute blinder in finding the Al Qadis as buyers though, as there has been rumours of investors lining up for years and Nick has always said when asked that he would only sell to people with Rovers' best interests at heart. NH employed DC has manager and stuck by him early last season when it could have been easier to sack him and get another more experienced manager to replace him, he also backed him with the signing of Easter & Lines late last season. He also backed him this season with signing Lines & Gaffney etc.
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Post by wiaww on Apr 27, 2016 10:05:51 GMT
I thought JW brought in DC as his assistant - I doubt NH would have had much input, would he? The "decent squad" is purely of Darrell's making and lord only knows what will happen next with the stadium. As mentioned elsewhere NH has to be credited for his involvement in arranging the stadium with UWE and securing PP but other than that it was a bit of a shambles. He's played an absolute blinder in finding the Al Qadis as buyers though, as there has been rumours of investors lining up for years and Nick has always said when asked that he would only sell to people with Rovers' best interests at heart. NH employed DC has manager and stuck by him early last season when it could have been easier to sack him and get another more experienced manager to replace him, he also backed him with the signing of Easter & Lines late last season. He also backed him this season with signing Lines & Gaffney etc. Okay but I feel that when you weigh up what happened on the pitch during NH's tenure then it doesn't look great. Yes, Nick gave DC the job after JW was sacked, but it was too little too late and we were relegated to the Conference, I'm sure you remember. And yes, NH backed him with the signings of Easter & Lines & Gaffney but he also backed Paul Buckle (!) with the signings of Chris Zebroski & Adam Virgo & Craig Stanley & Jim Paterson and loads of other dross that I can't think of right now. Not to mention Mark McGhee's time here. We were in L1 when Nick Higgs became Chairman in 2008 and barring a half decent season in L1 during his first year as Chairman and obviously last season's promotion (albeit from the Conference...) it's been utter crap on the pitch during his time here, wouldn't you say?
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 27, 2016 10:34:34 GMT
NH employed DC has manager and stuck by him early last season when it could have been easier to sack him and get another more experienced manager to replace him, he also backed him with the signing of Easter & Lines late last season. He also backed him this season with signing Lines & Gaffney etc. Okay but I feel that when you weigh up what happened on the pitch during NH's tenure then it doesn't look great. Yes, Nick gave DC the job after JW was sacked, but it was too little too late and we were relegated to the Conference, I'm sure you remember. And yes, NH backed him with the signings of Easter & Lines & Gaffney but he also backed Paul Buckle (!) with the signings of Chris Zebroski & Adam Virgo & Craig Stanley & Jim Paterson and loads of other dross that I can't think of right now. Not to mention Mark McGhee's time here. We were in L1 when Nick Higgs became Chairman in 2008 and barring a half decent season in L1 during his first year as Chairman and obviously last season's promotion (albeit from the Conference...) it's been utter crap on the pitch during his time here, wouldn't you say? Should the chairman / board then be responsible for selecting and recruiting players or should they, correctly, back the manager judgement? I've yet to see evidence of any board deliberately employing a manager they believed would fail.
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Post by wiaww on Apr 27, 2016 11:00:10 GMT
Okay but I feel that when you weigh up what happened on the pitch during NH's tenure then it doesn't look great. Yes, Nick gave DC the job after JW was sacked, but it was too little too late and we were relegated to the Conference, I'm sure you remember. And yes, NH backed him with the signings of Easter & Lines & Gaffney but he also backed Paul Buckle (!) with the signings of Chris Zebroski & Adam Virgo & Craig Stanley & Jim Paterson and loads of other dross that I can't think of right now. Not to mention Mark McGhee's time here. We were in L1 when Nick Higgs became Chairman in 2008 and barring a half decent season in L1 during his first year as Chairman and obviously last season's promotion (albeit from the Conference...) it's been utter crap on the pitch during his time here, wouldn't you say? Should the chairman / board then be responsible for selecting and recruiting players or should they, correctly, back the manager judgement? I've yet to see evidence of any board deliberately employing a manager they believed would fail. No of course they shouldn't, that's why you have a manager. If you take a moment to re-read you will see that I was replying to Topper's suggestion that NH should get credit for backing some of DC's signings, so it follows that he should receive credit for the excellent squad we currently have. I was highlighting the fact that he also backed some managers who made absolutely disastrous signings and so it should also follow that he receives some of the blame for that. My point is that when you look at our record on the pitch during NH's time as chairman, overall it looks pretty grim. For me his legacy will be that he "looked after" Rovers for several years and then passed the reigns to the Al Qadis and for that we should be very greatful. I don't think for a second think that Nick Higgs ever wanted Rovers to fail, just that he wasn't capable of getting the right people in the building to ensure we were a success. For the record I don't have anything against NH and for all his perceived failings I like to think he was always doing what he felt was best for the club at the time, I just think he was a bit out of his depth.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 27, 2016 12:12:12 GMT
Should the chairman / board then be responsible for selecting and recruiting players or should they, correctly, back the manager judgement? I've yet to see evidence of any board deliberately employing a manager they believed would fail. No of course they shouldn't, that's why you have a manager. If you take a moment to re-read you will see that I was replying to Topper's suggestion that NH should get credit for backing some of DC's signings, so it follows that he should receive credit for the excellent squad we currently have. I was highlighting the fact that he also backed some managers who made absolutely disastrous signings and so it should also follow that he receives some of the blame for that. My point is that when you look at our record on the pitch during NH's time as chairman, overall it looks pretty grim. For me his legacy will be that he "looked after" Rovers for several years and then passed the reigns to the Al Qadis and for that we should be very greatful. I don't think for a second think that Nick Higgs ever wanted Rovers to fail, just that he wasn't capable of getting the right people in the building to ensure we were a success. For the record I don't have anything against NH and for all his perceived failings I like to think he was always doing what he felt was best for the club at the time, I just think he was a bit out of his depth. Surely the fact we're possibly just two wins away from consecutive promotions contridicts that view?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 27, 2016 12:17:12 GMT
He's gone ffs.
Maybe it's time we all moved on too.
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Post by wiaww on Apr 27, 2016 12:24:55 GMT
No of course they shouldn't, that's why you have a manager. If you take a moment to re-read you will see that I was replying to Topper's suggestion that NH should get credit for backing some of DC's signings, so it follows that he should receive credit for the excellent squad we currently have. I was highlighting the fact that he also backed some managers who made absolutely disastrous signings and so it should also follow that he receives some of the blame for that. My point is that when you look at our record on the pitch during NH's time as chairman, overall it looks pretty grim. For me his legacy will be that he "looked after" Rovers for several years and then passed the reigns to the Al Qadis and for that we should be very greatful. I don't think for a second think that Nick Higgs ever wanted Rovers to fail, just that he wasn't capable of getting the right people in the building to ensure we were a success. For the record I don't have anything against NH and for all his perceived failings I like to think he was always doing what he felt was best for the club at the time, I just think he was a bit out of his depth. Surely the fact we're possibly just two wins away from consecutive promotions contridicts that view? Kiss enough frogs and all that... Anyway I think that fundamentally we disagree on how much credit NH can take for DC being at Rovers so I just can't ever consider that under Nick Higgs Rovers were a success on the pitch. Still, it's immaterial now and I'm just glad that we are where we are.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 27, 2016 12:52:37 GMT
Was just thinking exactly that earlier. We are so, so lucky to have Wael & co. and while NH is/was a divisive character surely if his legacy is nothing other than handing the keys over to WAQ then it's a good one. His lasting legacy was selling up? High praise indeed. Yes but I bet Blackpool fans, Leeds fans, Leyton Orient fans, Aston Villa fans and many others wish the legacy of their current boards was selling and handing the keys on to someone else who was good! UTG!
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 27, 2016 13:12:01 GMT
He's gone ffs. Maybe it's time we all moved on too. Think you need to chill out TBH
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Post by mehewmagic on Apr 27, 2016 13:34:30 GMT
He's gone ffs. Maybe it's time we all moved on too. he's gone? blimey, a man takes a shower and the whole world has changed by the time he's finished...
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 27, 2016 13:55:42 GMT
He's gone ffs. Maybe it's time we all moved on too. Think you need to chill out TBH Thanks for the advice.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Apr 27, 2016 15:14:18 GMT
He's gone ffs. Maybe it's time we all moved on too. he's gone? blimey, a man takes a shower and the whole world has changed by the time he's finished... Gareth Taylor's gone to Palace, as well.
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Post by Okebournegas on Apr 27, 2016 15:16:35 GMT
There are some very sensitive souls on here of late!
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Post by You can call me Al. on Apr 27, 2016 15:33:28 GMT
In fairness, we are yet to see where Wael will take us, early bloody days for calling him a soddin messiah. The early signs are encouraging but the time for shouting he's better than bleedin him or her are a fair way off still.
Seems a nice guy, and oh yeah i've met a few of them in my time, lets hope his words have substance long term, until then i think i'll keep me soddin fingers crossed.
Good day to you.
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