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May 9, 2016 10:19:17 GMT
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Post by countygroundhotel on May 9, 2016 10:19:17 GMT
This is a tricky one because you could reference how Trollope was not loyal enough to his players who got us where we did thus ultimately starting the downfall. Those players were good enough to keep us around mid table but too many of them were let go too close together. I blame the board for the downward spiral - PT was replacing spirit with quality and I still believe if he was given time he would of turned it around.
You're right whenever I think of PT and quality Carl Regan and Josh Klien Davis instantly come to mind. How did we every get relegated with players like that....
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Post by William Wilson on May 9, 2016 10:32:26 GMT
I read somewhere else, that before DC, Rovers have had five promotions in 130 years. Now we've had two in two years. In that context, it really is quite remarkable. Not only that, but it was achieved without the influx of any new money. We obviously have to wait and see what monies will be made available to DC over the summer, but the indications are very good. Dare we dream, that with some quality additions to the current squad, we can push on again next year, with a play-off spot the target? DC doesn't seem to be the type to settle for 'consolidation'. I don't think he's interested in just staying in Div One, nor a safe spot mid-table. This guy wants to win. If Wael is as good as his word, and he 'invests' in DC, then the sky could be the limit. Still smiling, still giggling, still singing to myself, "We've Got Our Rovers Back!". I`ve still got about a gallon of adrenaline coursing round my bloodstream. Witnessing such a vital, late winner, after being driven demented by watching chance after chance squandered, probably added to the whole experience. Think my wife is getting a bit fed up of listening to, "Bristol City, we`re coming for you."
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 10:36:10 GMT
I read somewhere else, that before DC, Rovers have had five promotions in 130 years. Now we've had two in two years. In that context, it really is quite remarkable. Not only that, but it was achieved without the influx of any new money. We obviously have to wait and see what monies will be made available to DC over the summer, but the indications are very good. Dare we dream, that with some quality additions to the current squad, we can push on again next year, with a play-off spot the target? DC doesn't seem to be the type to settle for 'consolidation'. I don't think he's interested in just staying in Div One, nor a safe spot mid-table. This guy wants to win. If Wael is as good as his word, and he 'invests' in DC, then the sky could be the limit. Still smiling, still giggling, still singing to myself, "We've Got Our Rovers Back!". I`ve still got about a gallon of adrenaline coursing round my bloodstream. Witnessing such a vital, late winner, after being driven demented by watching chance after chance squandered, probably added to the whole experience. Think my wife is getting a bit fed up of listening to, "Bristol City, we`re coming for you." Tell her you'll put Lt Pigeon back on tomorrow. That'll please her.
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Post by Blueside on May 9, 2016 10:48:03 GMT
I blame the board for the downward spiral - PT was replacing spirit with quality and I still believe if he was given time he would of turned it around.
You're right whenever I think of PT and quality Carl Regan and Josh Klien Davis instantly come to mind. How did we every get relegated with players like that.... JKD - I'll give you that one, but Carl Regan was class when he wanted to be. When we stole that game at Southampton, my mate who is a Saints fan reckoned he ran that game, he was well impressed. Trouble is, he was part of a rather disruptive clique that existed in the dressing room at that time..... or so the rumours went back then.
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May 9, 2016 10:56:07 GMT
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on May 9, 2016 10:56:07 GMT
You're right whenever I think of PT and quality Carl Regan and Josh Klien Davis instantly come to mind. How did we every get relegated with players like that.... JKD - I'll give you that one, but Carl Regan was class when he wanted to be. When we stole that game at Southampton, my mate who is a Saints fan reckoned he ran that game, he was well impressed. Trouble is, he was part of a rather disruptive clique that existed in the dressing room at that time..... or so the rumours went back then. I also think it's a bit unfair to level Klein Davies against Trolls, too. It's not as if he was an ever present. He started 2 league games for us, and I wouldn't criticise a manager for giving young players a chance. He wasn't good enough, but you don't know this until they play at first team level. I'm sure he had shown a lot at youth and reserve levels. Lockyer, Clarke and Ellis have proven to be good enough, albeit to varying degrees, and they were all thrown in to the first team when no-one would have known for sure if they were ready or able.
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Post by William Wilson on May 9, 2016 11:00:37 GMT
I`ve still got about a gallon of adrenaline coursing round my bloodstream. Witnessing such a vital, late winner, after being driven demented by watching chance after chance squandered, probably added to the whole experience. Think my wife is getting a bit fed up of listening to, "Bristol City, we`re coming for you." Tell her you'll put Lt Pigeon back on tomorrow. That'll please her. It would, yes. But it`s only one song. I`ve still got the cd of you singing the old Tom Robinson favourite, "Glad to be gay", so I may play that.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 9, 2016 11:01:27 GMT
Don't overlook the great Mark Wright! Not sure what happened with Dickson & co after than Southampton game but it was all down hill from there, the fact PT's never touched a management job since suggests he accepts he's better coaching than managing.
My concern about offering all this season's players new contracts is we're going to have the likes of Puddy & Lawrence, even Parkes & Gosling, still with us when really they haven't even proven themselves at Div 2 level. You also do also wonder whether even the likes of Mildenahll, Mansell & McChrystal can step up another division at this stage of their careers. Although I guess some of these players themselves may decide they need to look elsewhere if they want reualr 1st team football next season.
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Post by markczgas on May 9, 2016 11:04:30 GMT
We ain't stopping in L1 that's for sure. DC will very much want us to keep pushing. And why not? We have a squad of young players all of whom are coming into their prime at the right time. With a few quality additions and if we can keep hold of our best players, we can keep our winning momentum going for another year. Agree with you apart from this, but we have a few who might have reached the end of the road - Mildenhall, McChrystal, Easter. There's also Lines and Mansell over 30 now but I hope those two stay.
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Post by markczgas on May 9, 2016 11:06:36 GMT
We already have championship players in Browners,Lockyer,Leadbitter and Taylor, we should look at building a strong squad around them and really make a go of it next season. My only fear is DC will be to loyal to his close-knit group and lack the quality to progress. You are getting ahead of yourself - see how they fair in L1 first !
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Post by markczgas on May 9, 2016 11:07:48 GMT
New centre mid, new centre back and 2 new wingers required. I think it's best if we just let DC sort all that out. Dirty Dog not allowed an opinion - sit on the naughty chair DD !!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 11:22:53 GMT
I think it's best if we just let DC sort all that out. Dirty Dog not allowed an opinion - sit on the naughty chair DD !! Of course he's allowed an opinion.........just as I'm allowed an opinion
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on May 9, 2016 13:19:03 GMT
We already have championship players in Browners,Lockyer,Leadbitter and Taylor, we should look at building a strong squad around them and really make a go of it next season. My only fear is DC will be to loyal to his close-knit group and lack the quality to progress. You are getting ahead of yourself - see how they fair in L1 first ! Obviously they still need to prove it but from the amount of championship football I've watched I see no reason why those lads cant play at that level.
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Post by gasincider on May 9, 2016 13:51:08 GMT
My concern about offering all this season's players new contracts is we're going to have the likes of Puddy & Lawrence, even Parkes & Gosling, still with us when really they haven't even proven themselves at Div 2 level. You also do also wonder whether even the likes of Mildenahll, Mansell & McChrystal can step up another division at this stage of their careers. Although I guess some of these players themselves may decide they need to look elsewhere if they want reualr 1st team football next season. Whilst I don't disagree with you Topper, he had to make a blanket decision on them because we needed to keep them motivated on the run in. Mind you, offering a contract, and the terms it contains can be varied tremendously. It's like with MT. He will cost if we want to keep him, but we don't know if he will be able to score 20 again at this level. That is the gamble you take with players. But the first player I would be looking to sign up is Bodin. MT fair enough, but not at any price. Based on age alone, two or three should be moved on, and four or five others are not good enough, don't see any point in naming names. I would say say we have four or five that most probably are good enough for another promotion tilt, so it will be interesting to see the quality of any new additions. But please, no more Lawrence's.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on May 9, 2016 17:31:06 GMT
I agree with you, Topper, in principle but the thing is, that all three of them have performed exceptionally well towards the end of the season. McChrystal has been a rock recently; Mansell is by far the best we have at playing the role alongside Lines in a 4-4-2 and Mildy has made some vital saves. I think you replace these players organically over time as if you shook their hands and said 'thanks and goodbye' at the end of this season, it would definitely have a big effect on the group as they are all model pros.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 18:23:47 GMT
You're all mental. DC will guide us through. PT meh!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 21:06:09 GMT
Don't overlook the great Mark Wright! Not sure what happened with Dickson & co after than Southampton game but it was all down hill from there, the fact PT's never touched a management job since suggests he accepts he's better coaching than managing. My concern about offering all this season's players new contracts is we're going to have the likes of Puddy & Lawrence, even Parkes & Gosling, still with us when really they haven't even proven themselves at Div 2 level. You also do also wonder whether even the likes of Mildenahll, Mansell & McChrystal can step up another division at this stage of their careers. Although I guess some of these players themselves may decide they need to look elsewhere if they want reualr 1st team football next season. its a fair point that may have a small number of players we dont really want next season but i still think its a brilliant motivational tool and i feel it helped us get promoted.
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May 9, 2016 21:17:27 GMT
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Post by socrates on May 9, 2016 21:17:27 GMT
Don't overlook the great Mark Wright! Not sure what happened with Dickson & co after than Southampton game but it was all down hill from there, the fact PT's never touched a management job since suggests he accepts he's better coaching than managing. My concern about offering all this season's players new contracts is we're going to have the likes of Puddy & Lawrence, even Parkes & Gosling, still with us when really they haven't even proven themselves at Div 2 level. You also do also wonder whether even the likes of Mildenahll, Mansell & McChrystal can step up another division at this stage of their careers. Although I guess some of these players themselves may decide they need to look elsewhere if they want reualr 1st team football next season. DC might offer all those players contracts but that doesn't mean they'll be much bigger deals or that the players will sign. I wouldn't be surprised if the likes of Gosling and Puddy don't sign, they'll probably be told that they probably won't be playing much and will go to league 2 clubs where they can get more playing time I would have thought.
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Post by warehamgas on May 10, 2016 12:49:42 GMT
Whatever we get they have to be better than what we have.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 10, 2016 12:55:11 GMT
Surely now being a division higher with, in all likelihood, a bigger playing budget that shouldn't be an issue, assuming DC as an eye for decent Div 1 players like he did in Div 2?
Let's hope this summer he's gets the players in we need and we don't have to wait until Christmas to get them in like we did with Gaffney.
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Post by warehamgas on May 10, 2016 12:57:34 GMT
Don't overlook the great Mark Wright! Not sure what happened with Dickson & co after than Southampton game but it was all down hill from there, the fact PT's never touched a management job since suggests he accepts he's better coaching than managing. My concern about offering all this season's players new contracts is we're going to have the likes of Puddy & Lawrence, even Parkes & Gosling, still with us when really they haven't even proven themselves at Div 2 level. You also do also wonder whether even the likes of Mildenahll, Mansell & McChrystal can step up another division at this stage of their careers. Although I guess some of these players themselves may decide they need to look elsewhere if they want reualr 1st team football next season. Lots of good points here but until they get the chance....? Macca will do what he always does, stop the opposition, win lots of headers, give 100% and off load ball to better passers. Number of bad matches in 4 years can be counted on one hand. I like Mildenhall but always feel he has a mistake in him but if we hadn't messed around with goalies in the autumn we might have had a more comfortable last few matches. Manse, he never had pace but will continue to do a very good job. I think that DC has done the right thing but as others have said some will feel they can get better elsewhere and naturally move on with good grace. I hope he doesn't do what PT did and get rid of good players hoping that replacements were better when they weren't. Anyway in DC I trust, completely. UTG!
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