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Post by peterparker on May 12, 2016 14:03:14 GMT
If it's all legal then it's just a moral issue. Anyone on here had handywork done and been offered the tax free slighty cheaper cash in hand offer and not taken it? (That's asking for some innuendos) Not sticking up for the bloke but if its all above board and he can live with his conscience then so be it. Annoying, Idiot, ted yes. Stupid? Maybe not although I would love it if he got caught out. Just make sure his paperwork is watertight. But all that money is staying within the UK, SL is taking his money which he'd normally pay in tax out of the UK and spending it elsewhere, imagine if we all started doing that, who'd pay for the NHS, the Police, Schools, our state pensions etc? It also mean the 82er's aren't really playing on a level playing field as all their income is most likely tax free, unlike say us under NH. That level playing field. A lot of football clubs are set up similarly so yeah pretty level
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Post by pirate49 on May 12, 2016 14:16:47 GMT
Back in 2014 Private Eye in the 'In The City' (sic) section, ie the serious and not the satirical section, was reporting that the Guernsey Financial bods were 'looking into' the various positions in financial institutions held on the island by SL, and his involvement with PULA
Anyone with the time, inclination (and financial savvy!) can look at issue 1361, 7/3/14.
Good luck!
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Post by tinner on May 12, 2016 14:28:00 GMT
Seems like an awful lot of righteous and jealous people on here!!
Fair play to Steve Lansdowne I say.
He built a company from nothing, created a multi million pound business, which pays corporation tax, employs a lot of staff, all of whom pay NI & Income Tax, so .....and he is merely doing what everyone else does and minimises the tax he is due to pay.
Just because he is successful and rich people cannot wait to stick the knife in. Good luck to him, he has generated more tax than probably all on here put together!
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 14:31:47 GMT
Seems like an awful lot of righteous and jealous people on here!! Fair play to Steve Lansdowne I say. He built a company from nothing, created a multi million pound business, which pays corporation tax, employs a lot of staff, all of whom pay NI & Income Tax, so .....and he is merely doing what everyone else does and minimises the tax he is due to pay. Just because he is successful and rich people cannot wait to stick the knife in. Good luck to him, he has generated more tax than probably all on here put together! Has anybody even had a genuine pop at the bloke?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 12, 2016 14:46:02 GMT
Seems like an awful lot of righteous and jealous people on here!! Fair play to Steve Lansdowne I say. He built a company from nothing, created a multi million pound business, which pays corporation tax, employs a lot of staff, all of whom pay NI & Income Tax, so .....and he is merely doing what everyone else does and minimises the tax he is due to pay. Just because he is successful and rich people cannot wait to stick the knife in. Good luck to him, he has generated more tax than probably all on here put together! Yep, and well done to Lee Johnson for getting City out of a hole in the league this year. We should praise that sort of success. And don't forget Cotterill, he inherited a difficult job, and managed to get a very good run going for the team, which culminated in their triumphal L1 championship and the welcome return to their rigthful place in the Championship. It was a shame things didn't go so well after that, but who are we to sneer? We should certainly not be jealous, so well done to him. And all city fans, for that matter. Let's just say three cheers for BCFC and everyone connected with them. Hip hip!
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Post by countygroundhotel on May 12, 2016 14:54:57 GMT
If it's all legal then it's just a moral issue. Anyone on here had handywork done and been offered the tax free slighty cheaper cash in hand offer and not taken it? (That's asking for some innuendos) Not sticking up for the bloke but if its all above board and he can live with his conscience then so be it. Annoying, Idiot, ted yes. Stupid? Maybe not although I would love it if he got caught out. Just make sure his paperwork is watertight. But all that money is staying within the UK, SL is taking his money which he'd normally pay in tax out of the UK and spending it elsewhere, imagine if we all started doing that, who'd pay for the NHS, the Police, Schools, our state pensions etc? It also mean the 82er's aren't really playing on a level playing field as all their income is most likely tax free, unlike say us under NH. On that level then the crack dealer who only buys his crack from someone in the UK is a thoroughly decent guy. The level of some stupidity on here beggars belief that the government ever wasted money on educating certain people.
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Post by bluebeard on May 12, 2016 15:26:23 GMT
I love this kind of debate. Any opportunity to engage in banter with our main rivals should be grasped with both hands and to hell with the accuracy or hypocrisy of your argument. How many of us have screamed abuse at a ref for handball, offside or a penalty decision during a match when we know he was probably right? It's all part of the fun. I'm sure our new owners have structured the club in a very similar way but it's not public knowledge yet so let's call Landsdown out on his tax avoidance and dodgy dealings. He's milked this country dry and now hides offshore to avoid paying his dues. BCFC has a long history of shafting the taxman and its creditors. We have always paid our debts and lived within our means. They are the flashy neighbour with the bigger house and faster car but it's all on borrowed money and they simply walk away when it goes pear shaped. Shameful.
Anyway, rant over and here's what I really think.
I still remember getting my very first payslip and feeling a real sense of pride that I was paying tax and contributing. I was proud of my country, the NHS and the welfare system which provided support to the poor. Power to the people. Over the years, I have realised that for every hard working tax payer there are probably 10 scrounging free loaders who think they are entitled to my money for doing f**k all in return. I've watched successive governments waste billions on foreign aid, beauracracy and bullshit. If someone has the drive and talent to create wealth, they should pay a sensible amount of tax but as far as I'm concerned they have every right to legally minimise their liability. If there are loopholes, it's up to HMRC to close them. End of.
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Post by bluebeard on May 12, 2016 15:36:34 GMT
and where is the actual real evidence of Tax Avoidance/evasion? I trust we will be following any flow of money to/from Bristol Rovers via Jersey? WTGR I know you occasionally post on OTIB so surely you understand the banter thing? For every sensible response to your sensible comments on there, you get 20 idiots banging on about how we steal stadia from other clubs, exaggerate our attendance figures and fail to comprehend their massiveness. Go with the flow.
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Post by bluebeard on May 12, 2016 15:40:35 GMT
Seems like an awful lot of righteous and jealous people on here!! Fair play to Steve Lansdowne I say. He built a company from nothing, created a multi million pound business, which pays corporation tax, employs a lot of staff, all of whom pay NI & Income Tax, so .....and he is merely doing what everyone else does and minimises the tax he is due to pay. Just because he is successful and rich people cannot wait to stick the knife in. Good luck to him, he has generated more tax than probably all on here put together! Yep, and well done to Lee Johnson for getting City out of a hole in the league this year. We should praise that sort of success. And don't forget Cotterill, he inherited a difficult job, and managed to get a very good run going for the team, which culminated in their triumphal L1 championship and the welcome return to their rigthful place in the Championship. It was a shame things didn't go so well after that, but who are we to sneer? We should certainly not be jealous, so well done to him. And all city fans, for that matter. Let's just say three cheers for BCFC and everyone connected with them. Hip hip! Not forgetting that Lansdown saved the Gas girls and has taken Bristol Rugby to the verge of promotion to the premiership! hurrah!!
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Post by Blackbeard on May 12, 2016 15:47:11 GMT
All that matters is that Bristol sport has the Jets Badminton team and this causes me endless mirth , oh how I laughed and laughed and chuckled and giggled until a little bit of wee almost came out
If I was a ted I would run and run and run and never look back at this embarrassing charade #hashtag
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Post by peterparker on May 12, 2016 16:05:11 GMT
and where is the actual real evidence of Tax Avoidance/evasion? I trust we will be following any flow of money to/from Bristol Rovers via Jersey? WTGR I know you occasionally post on OTIB so surely you understand the banter thing? For every sensible response to your sensible comments on there, you get 20 idiots banging on about how we steal stadia from other clubs, exaggerate our attendance figures and fail to comprehend their massiveness. Go with the flow. Not sure I get the ‘banter’ unfortunately. In fact I don’t get a lot of it later. All very boorish and not particularly clever. Michael Cunnah, Beam Back tickets, Faux tax outrage at Steve Lansdown.
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Post by bluegas on May 12, 2016 17:19:46 GMT
Might I suggest a reality check on the underlying issue here? It's not really about legality - whether it's evasion or avoidance is next to irrelevant as it's all probably totally legal. It's really a moral issue - if you squeeze a fortune out of the UK, shouldn't you contribute to the benefits of the UK? Most on this forum contribute more than their fair share to the upkeep of the UK. SL & his ilk don't. I note his partner Hargreaves lives in Somerset so presumably pays UK tax in full likewise Steve Lansdown doesn't live in the UK (which is his or any of our right). He can only spend x number of days in the UK Guernsey & Jersey (& BVI & Cayman) are British Crown Dependencies, so I guess are part of the UK but with some autonomy - certainly re tax!
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Post by bluegas on May 12, 2016 17:23:15 GMT
Might I suggest a reality check on the underlying issue here? It's not really about legality - whether it's evasion or avoidance is next to irrelevant as it's all probably totally legal. It's really a moral issue - if you squeeze a fortune out of the UK, shouldn't you contribute to the benefits of the UK? Most on this forum contribute more than their fair share to the upkeep of the UK. SL & his ilk don't. I note his partner Hargreaves lives in Somerset so presumably pays UK tax in full likewise Steve Lansdown doesn't live in the UK (which is his or any of our right). He can only spend x number of days in the UK Actually Guernsey & Jersey (& BVI & Caymans) are British Crown dependencies, so surely part of the UK, albeit with some autonomy, certainly re tax.
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Post by bluebeard on May 12, 2016 17:38:36 GMT
The Tax System Explained - Using a Beer Analogy
Suppose that once a week, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing. The fifth would pay £1. The sixth would pay £3. The seventh would pay £7. The eighth would pay £12. The ninth would pay £18. And the tenth man (the richest) would pay £59. So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every week and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until, one day, the owner caused them a little problem. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your weekly beer by £20." Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free but what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realized that £20 divided by six is £3.33 but if they subtracted that from everybody's share then not only would the first four men still be drinking for free but the fifth and sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fairer to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage. They decided to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.
And so, the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (a100% saving). The sixth man now paid £2 instead of £3 (a 33% saving). The seventh man now paid £5 instead of £7 (a 28% saving). The eighth man now paid £9 instead of £12 (a 25% saving). The ninth man now paid £14 instead of £18 (a 22% saving). And the tenth man now paid £49 instead of £59 (a 16% saving). Each of the last six was better off than before with the first four continuing to drink for free.
But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got £1 out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got £10!" "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a £1 too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"
"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back, when I only got £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next week the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important - they didn't have enough money between all of them to pay for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy and they just might not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier. For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
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Post by peterparker on May 12, 2016 17:52:18 GMT
likewise Steve Lansdown doesn't live in the UK (which is his or any of our right). He can only spend x number of days in the UK Guernsey & Jersey (& BVI & Cayman) are British Crown Dependencies, so I guess are part of the UK but with some autonomy - certainly re tax! Yes they are part of the UK, but a bit easier to explain saying not. He is only allowed to apend x number of days on the mainland before becoming liable for tax. Forget the number. They are very much different re tax. Thats why so much of the stuff ordered from Amazon came from the channel islands
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Post by Topper Gas on May 12, 2016 18:02:44 GMT
The UK is England, Wales, Scotland & NI, it certainly doesn't include the Channel Islands!
Still don't get why posters are happy for people not to pay tax, if they don't want to contribute to our country why don't they just leave and not come back, apart from holidays?
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Post by bluebeard on May 12, 2016 18:20:41 GMT
WTGR I know you occasionally post on OTIB so surely you understand the banter thing? For every sensible response to your sensible comments on there, you get 20 idiots banging on about how we steal stadia from other clubs, exaggerate our attendance figures and fail to comprehend their massiveness. Go with the flow. Not sure I get the ‘banter’ unfortunately. In fact I don’t get a lot of it later. All very boorish and not particularly clever. Michael Cunnah, Beam Back tickets, Faux tax outrage at Steve Lansdown. The forums are made up of a variety of people ranging from young kids to pensioners. We all have different opinions and senses of humour. If a gas head misspells a word like proud or makes a silly comment it amuses me when OTIB posters claim this is indicative of our entire fan base. I wouldn't be so presumptious as to tell somebody else what is or isn't funny or indeed how to think. But one thing I would say in response to your posts on this thread is that you really shouldnt take life so seriously.
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Post by timsburygas on May 12, 2016 18:21:31 GMT
So I assume Bristol City Holdings own Bristol City 1982 ltd or have they ceased to trade, as Bristol City did ! owing thousands, as Lansdown has so much money I wonder if he ever thought about paying the monies owed by bankrupt BCFC to the poor bastards that lost out and it wasn't just a few players.
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Post by peterparker on May 12, 2016 18:32:14 GMT
Not sure I get the ‘banter’ unfortunately. In fact I don’t get a lot of it later. All very boorish and not particularly clever. Michael Cunnah, Beam Back tickets, Faux tax outrage at Steve Lansdown. The forums are made up of a variety of people ranging from young kids to pensioners. We all have different opinions and senses of humour. If a gas head misspells a word like proud or makes a silly comment it amuses me when OTIB posters claim this is indicative of our entire fan base. I wouldn't be so presumptious as to tell somebody else what is or isn't funny or indeed how to think. But one thing I would say in response to your posts on this thread is that you really shouldnt take life so seriously. I have a pretty good sense of humour generally. Just my opinion that the 'bants' lately isnt that great IMO. Not sure what is ammusing about trotting Michael Cunnah has joined once a week. As for tax dodging Lansdown bants. Probably works better if Rovers werent similarly set up. Anyone got a spare voucher N. Heard i need it to take a sh**
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 12, 2016 18:56:54 GMT
The Tax System Explained - Using a Beer Analogy Stupidest thing I ever read. What actually happened was that the six wealthiest went out down the pub for a drink and spent all their time whining about what a bunch of useless scroungers the four poorest were, while they were serving the beers and washing the dishes, and couldn't actually afford to go out for a drink.
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