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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 19:39:54 GMT
Playing devil's advocate.... What has actually been done so far that wouldn't/couldn't have been done under NH? Scoreboard and ladies bogs. Pathetic in the grand scheme of things but they needed looking at 10 years ago but sod all was done. wait until you come back next season....
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Post by johnanagram on May 13, 2016 20:25:09 GMT
No, his big mouth did all the work on it's own. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us as to exactly what it was he said because to this day he's never been presented with the evidence that 'convicted him'. Others were party to it, but the man himself was never actually told/shown exactly what led to the ban.......
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Post by gashead1981 on May 13, 2016 21:32:03 GMT
Not again ffs.
KS got a bit gobby on forums and at the club and he made sure the right people heard it so it would reach box 1.
Higgs asked him to stop.
KS didn't.
Higgs banned him.
That is the long and short of it.
It was petty from Higgs and daft from KS. They were both as bad as each other.
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Post by johnanagram on May 13, 2016 21:39:52 GMT
Not again ffs. KS got a bit gobby on forums and at the club and he made sure the right people heard it so it would reach box 1. Higgs asked him to stop. KS didn't. Higgs banned him. That is the long and short of it. It was petty from Higgs and daft from KS. They were both as bad as each other. Brilliant. Perhaps you could deliver lectures in re-writing history.
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Post by gashead1981 on May 13, 2016 22:04:03 GMT
Not again ffs. KS got a bit gobby on forums and at the club and he made sure the right people heard it so it would reach box 1. Higgs asked him to stop. KS didn't. Higgs banned him. That is the long and short of it. It was petty from Higgs and daft from KS. They were both as bad as each other. Brilliant. Perhaps you could deliver lectures in re-writing history. Well isn't that the long and short? If KS saved face and kept his bottom half shut and Higgs didn't act like a petulant child then none of it would have happened. All it would have taken was a 15 minute convo and both could have gone their separate ways. I know KS is seen as some perpetual messiah on the other forum, by some on here too come to think of it, but the average fan like me just doesn't give a flying whatsname.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 14, 2016 4:29:44 GMT
I'm not trying to stop freedom of speech but all this talk of KS is detracting from the point of the thread, which is giving Sir Nick all the praise he deserves.
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 14, 2016 5:32:13 GMT
well said Hugo !
Sir Nick was the saviour of this fine club and without all his fine work, we would not be owned by the Family !
Well Done Sir Nick
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Post by johnanagram on May 14, 2016 5:48:03 GMT
I'm not trying to stop freedom of speech but all this talk of KS is detracting from the point of the thread, which is giving Sir Nick all the praise he deserves. I've expressed a very clear view that I disagree with that analysis (that praise is deserved). It wasn't me that mentioned KS, someone else did with an interpretation of events that are wide of the truth. So to be clear in my view there is no praise to be given to the former chairman who took Bristol Rovers out of the Football League and had it hovering on the edge of financial disaster until the point where he had no other option other than to sell. That wasn't a genius strategist at work.......
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Post by johnanagram on May 14, 2016 5:50:04 GMT
well said Hugo ! Sir Nick was the saviour of this fine club and without all his fine work, we would not be owned by the Family ! Well Done Sir Nick He wasn't the saviour. He was a very naughty boy.
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Post by Langford Gas on May 14, 2016 6:26:47 GMT
I'm not trying to stop freedom of speech but all this talk of KS is detracting from the point of the thread, which is giving Sir Nick all the praise he deserves. I've expressed a very clear view that I disagree with that analysis (that praise is deserved). It wasn't me that mentioned KS, someone else did with an interpretation of events that are wide of the truth. So to be clear in my view there is no praise to be given to the former chairman who took Bristol Rovers out of the Football League and had it hovering on the edge of financial disaster until the point where he had no other option other than to sell. That wasn't a genius strategist at work....... Don't they say there is a very fine line between Genius and Madness and many cross backwards and forwards over that line during their lifetime
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Post by oldgas on May 14, 2016 6:44:03 GMT
I guess that depended on what would have happened if we'd sold the Mem to Sainsbury's and built the UWE with the proceeds? Could the UWE have generated sufficient income streams itself to make us Div 1 promotion challengers, or was NH plan always to sell out once it was built? I have wondered about that a lot.
In my opinion, NH was a true Gashead and wanted only the best for the club. One of the problems with the business model for the building of the new stadium at UWE was that it was 100% contingent on the sale of the Mem for funding the build. The value of the build was geared to the sale value of the Mem (and actually there was even a shortfall then). If you add to that the fact that the value of the Mem had been artificially inflated because of the planning permission to build a supermarket - everything boiled down to the sale of the land to Sainsbury's. When Sainsbury's dropped out - there was nowhere to go as there was probably a differential of about £8 Million between the Sainsbury's price and the alternate value of the land.
In my opinion, the UWE stadium plans were kind of shoe string stuff and probably did limit the potential for future growth of the club simply because of the budgetary constraints. Again, in my opinion, the reason for the delay in announcements about the stadium from the new owners, is because they are re-addressing the existing plans from a completely different perspective, a different budget and a focussed business model that permits more ambition for progressing the club.
I don't think NH's business plan addressed the future progression of the club any further than the existing budgetary constraints permitted. If the Stadium build went over budget or if the completed stadium did not generate the income stream that was hoped for, I think we would have been f@@ked.
Again, in my opinion, I think we can now look forward to a much more robust plan for the future.
I was told at the time planning permission for Shitsburys was granted, by a director, that once the club were istalled in the new stadium, that it was Nick Higgs intention to sell the club. I have never mentioned this before because, even though confidentiality was never mentioned, I didn't think it was right to make that public knowledge. It seems to me, therefore, that NH's hand was forced in that he had to sell to the Jordanians, and perhaps not on his terms. This we can endlessly speculate on, but until such time as the facts are revealed we will never know.
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Post by Congas on May 14, 2016 6:48:48 GMT
Why would people ask questions, he is our most successful manager ever!! and yet some people can't wait for a situation where they can have a real dig. Fortunately, they were all made to look stupid when that point ensured we gained auto promotion. Those same people will be out in force if we start badly next season, questionning DC's capability etc. With regards to our 'lucky' promotions, I assume you also apply the same logic to our relegation season, and believe we were just massively unlucky?? Personally, I would love another season like the last two, having had some of my best moments ever as a Rovers supporter. 'Slagging off', 'a real dig', 'some people'. I've checked the Stevenage threads and find no slagging off or 'real digs' just genuine concern about the line up and giving up the pole position that we'd so amazingly got ourselves into after an awful start to the season. The only one slagging off anyone is you. :-) Why would people ask questions? Why indeed...
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Post by gashead1981 on May 14, 2016 7:20:50 GMT
I'm not trying to stop freedom of speech but all this talk of KS is detracting from the point of the thread, which is giving Sir Nick all the praise he deserves. I've expressed a very clear view that I disagree with that analysis (that praise is deserved). It wasn't me that mentioned KS, someone else did with an interpretation of events that are wide of the truth. So to be clear in my view there is no praise to be given to the former chairman who took Bristol Rovers out of the Football League and had it hovering on the edge of financial disaster until the point where he had no other option other than to sell. That wasn't a genius strategist at work....... Nick Higgs didn't take us out of the football league. It was John Ward with his dinosaur tactics and persistent rigid system together with a lack of quality signings, swapping decent players for old and crooked ones and also not stamping any form of discipline on the squad. That's what took us out of the league. I guess pumping in £6m and funding the planning stages for the UWE, righting the wrong of getting us back in the league and then selling his shares for £1 to a family with hundreds of millions deserves no praise at all then..? Could you do better? If Higgs hadn't been in charge we would have been in administration when we got relegated to L2. We. Have been losing a million a year since 2007 and it was about minimising the losses year on year. You mention taking us to the brink of financial disaster, there is no evidence of that, we had a high interest loan yes, but it was underwritten by the directors assets. One director had a charge on his house. Would you do that for BRFC? That's one hell of a risk. I'm not saying he's whiter than white but he deserves a modicum of respect and thanks for all his efforts. From every gas head.
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Post by gashead1981 on May 14, 2016 7:22:44 GMT
I have wondered about that a lot.
In my opinion, NH was a true Gashead and wanted only the best for the club. One of the problems with the business model for the building of the new stadium at UWE was that it was 100% contingent on the sale of the Mem for funding the build. The value of the build was geared to the sale value of the Mem (and actually there was even a shortfall then). If you add to that the fact that the value of the Mem had been artificially inflated because of the planning permission to build a supermarket - everything boiled down to the sale of the land to Sainsbury's. When Sainsbury's dropped out - there was nowhere to go as there was probably a differential of about £8 Million between the Sainsbury's price and the alternate value of the land.
In my opinion, the UWE stadium plans were kind of shoe string stuff and probably did limit the potential for future growth of the club simply because of the budgetary constraints. Again, in my opinion, the reason for the delay in announcements about the stadium from the new owners, is because they are re-addressing the existing plans from a completely different perspective, a different budget and a focussed business model that permits more ambition for progressing the club.
I don't think NH's business plan addressed the future progression of the club any further than the existing budgetary constraints permitted. If the Stadium build went over budget or if the completed stadium did not generate the income stream that was hoped for, I think we would have been f@@ked.
Again, in my opinion, I think we can now look forward to a much more robust plan for the future.
I was told at the time planning permission for Shitsburys was granted, by a director, that once the club were istalled in the new stadium, that it was Nick Higgs intention to sell the club. I have never mentioned this before because, even though confidentiality was never mentioned, I didn't think it was right to make that public knowledge. It seems to me, therefore, that NH's hand was forced in that he had to sell to the Jordanians, and perhaps not on his terms. This we can endlessly speculate on, but until such time as the facts are revealed we will never know. I heard the very same thing Oldgas
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Post by nsgas on May 14, 2016 7:36:07 GMT
I've expressed a very clear view that I disagree with that analysis (that praise is deserved). It wasn't me that mentioned KS, someone else did with an interpretation of events that are wide of the truth. So to be clear in my view there is no praise to be given to the former chairman who took Bristol Rovers out of the Football League and had it hovering on the edge of financial disaster until the point where he had no other option other than to sell. That wasn't a genius strategist at work....... Nick Higgs didn't take us out of the football league. It was John Ward with his dinosaur tactics and persistent rigid system together with a lack of quality signings, swapping decent players for old and crooked ones and also not stamping any form of discipline on the squad. That's what took us out of the league. I guess pumping in £6m and funding the planning stages for the UWE, righting the wrong of getting us back in the league and then selling his shares for £1 to a family with hundreds of millions deserves no praise at all then..? Could you do better? If Higgs hadn't been in charge we would have been in administration when we got relegated to L2. We. Have been losing a million a year since 2007 and it was about minimising the losses year on year. You mention taking us to the brink of financial disaster, there is no evidence of that, we had a high interest loan yes, but it was underwritten by the directors assets. One director had a charge on his house. Would you do that for BRFC? That's one hell of a risk. I'm not saying he's whiter than white but he deserves a modicum of respect and thanks for all his efforts. From every gas head. How do you know that he sold his shares for £1? Genuine question.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 14, 2016 8:03:19 GMT
Nick Higgs didn't take us out of the football league. It was John Ward with his dinosaur tactics and persistent rigid system together with a lack of quality signings, swapping decent players for old and crooked ones and also not stamping any form of discipline on the squad. That's what took us out of the league. I guess pumping in £6m and funding the planning stages for the UWE, righting the wrong of getting us back in the league and then selling his shares for £1 to a family with hundreds of millions deserves no praise at all then..? Could you do better? If Higgs hadn't been in charge we would have been in administration when we got relegated to L2. We. Have been losing a million a year since 2007 and it was about minimising the losses year on year. You mention taking us to the brink of financial disaster, there is no evidence of that, we had a high interest loan yes, but it was underwritten by the directors assets. One director had a charge on his house. Would you do that for BRFC? That's one hell of a risk. I'm not saying he's whiter than white but he deserves a modicum of respect and thanks for all his efforts. From every gas head. How do you know that he sold his shares for £1? Genuine question. Have to say it's the first I've heard of it. Be interested to know more.
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Post by lympstonegas on May 14, 2016 9:03:11 GMT
Yeah I know everyone's bored - the season is over because we have been unbelievably successful which caught everyone by surprise. Because of our rapid 'success' since the takeover - the Board haters have kept quiet but one always knew it was a simmering situation that would last only until something went wrong in their eyes i.e. We had lost in the play offs / didn't recruit any 'quality ' in the summer / lost key players in the transfer market / started next season as we have the last 2 / news of the carpark hadn't progressed to news of the stadium / dig up old issues just for the sake of an argument. Issues that in reality so many believe they know the absolute truth about but infact only know hearsay that they have rigidly held onto because it fits with their agenda Amazing what boredom can do to success
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 14, 2016 9:10:25 GMT
Yeah I know everyone's bored - the season is over because we have been unbelievably successful which caught everyone by surprise. Because of our rapid 'success' since the takeover - the Board haters have kept quiet but one always knew it was a simmering situation that would last only until something went wrong in their eyes i.e. We had lost in the play offs / didn't recruit any 'quality ' in the summer / lost key players in the transfer market / started next season as we have the last 2 / news of the carpark hadn't progressed to news of the stadium / dig up old issues just for the sake of an argument. Issues that in reality so many believe they know the absolute truth about but infact only know hearsay that they have rigidly held onto because it fits with their agenda Amazing what boredom can do to success I'm still seething about dropping Brian Parkin for Andy Collett.
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Post by justin blue on May 14, 2016 9:18:27 GMT
Will we ever know the truth about the past and does it even matter now?. Surely It's where we go from here that matters. UTG
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 9:24:55 GMT
I'm not trying to stop freedom of speech but all this talk of KS is detracting from the point of the thread, which is giving Sir Nick all the praise he deserves. Well said Hugo, KS is a historic subject now. Two of Higgs's co directors recently described him to me as "a chancer" and "a dictator" and both were glad that the club now has "proper people" so hardly surprising that the atmosphere surrounding the club was poisonous before he left. We are extremely lucky to be where we are now and last weekend was the best weekend in my Rovers supporting history which is now approaching 50 years. Heres to a secure and open future which started almost from the moment the new owners arrived.
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