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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 6:54:07 GMT
you are aware we have only played one game? despite Saturdays result last season v the better sides you could see a problem in midfield I loosely agree actually. However we eventually proved to be the 3rd best team with those problems.. Let's see how DC manages what we can see rather than panicking after 1 tough away game.
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Post by philbemmygas on Aug 8, 2016 6:56:52 GMT
despite Saturdays result last season v the better sides you could see a problem in midfield I loosely agree actually. However we eventually proved to be the 3rd best team with those problems.. Let's see how DC manages what we can see rather than panicking after 1 tough away game. Simon Lets not be too logical here, you can't beat a good moan on the internet
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Post by paulpirate on Aug 8, 2016 7:03:58 GMT
I loosely agree actually. However we eventually proved to be the 3rd best team with those problems.. Let's see how DC manages what we can see rather than panicking after 1 tough away game. Simon Lets not be too logical here, you can't beat a good moan on the internet no moaning here just worried,should be better prepared in a higher division and not be left till the last minute 2 or 3 quality signings should of been made pre season imo for the friendlies,not 2 cover players
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Post by bluegas on Aug 8, 2016 7:05:25 GMT
I don't doubt DC is more acutely aware than anybody on this forum of his team's shortcomings. Nor do I doubt he is addressing them. The signings will be forthcoming when the right players meeting his criteria are available..,... Still, in the meantime we may as well indulge in wild & pointless speculation.
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Post by pucklegas on Aug 8, 2016 7:32:17 GMT
There is no doubt that DC is looking at fringe championship players and he has said previously it is two weeks into the season when some players are still on the bench that they consider a move, not ideal for us, but trust him to get the right players in, we are too impatient, and I am as bad as all of you.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 8, 2016 7:49:19 GMT
despite Saturdays result last season v the better sides you could see a problem in midfield I loosely agree actually. However we eventually proved to be the 3rd best team with those problems.. Let's see how DC manages what we can see rather than panicking after 1 tough away game. Not sure how the results panned out w/o checking but when Lines & Manse played in midfield together we were probably at least 2nd, if not the top team during that period. Although it's clear DC's after further players & CM must surely be area he's looking at to improve.
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 8, 2016 8:01:17 GMT
JMcN in today's Post is still quoting 3-4 before the transfer window closes with Gk and CM a priority. Not sure if that is based on recent interviews with DC.
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 8, 2016 8:07:08 GMT
Yeh players recruitment via the owners,that works out great normally.Fortuneately for us our owner trusts DC and we do have the input of that Will whasisname as well. Would have gone to Leeds if he wanted to work under a puppet master. It worked for Sir Geoffrey - TillsonI don't know if you can confirm it, but terrace talk was that he went to Gerry Francis and asked for his help. Best defender I've seen in a Rovers' shirt so worth the money we paid in my opinion.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 8, 2016 8:12:32 GMT
So is today the day ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 8:37:18 GMT
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 8, 2016 8:41:39 GMT
Stadium news/Matty Taylor sold for £1.75m/DC joins the England National Team Staff/Baggy gets his wallet out ? ? Perm any 1 from that lot
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 8, 2016 8:43:48 GMT
New players of L1 quality (or higher, maybe for a fee), UWE construction or training ground acquisition? All things I am hoping to hear news of 'soonish'.
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 8, 2016 8:45:27 GMT
Whilst saying that the midfield is not good enough to protect the defence or create the chances is it not also true that the defence is also letting down the midfield by not having the pace to compress the game 20 yards further up the pitch? The problem when we go to 4-4-2 is it then leaves only 2 players in the centre and on Saturday it was very clear that the three players were struggling to contain Scunthorpe because they are having to mark not only their players but the players who are moving away from our defence.
IMO we need an organiser from the back to ensure players are being MARKED and that player should be the Captain. Lockyer for all his talent is NOT that man - Hartley to me is the obvious choice. The midfield in a 4-4-2 must play more as a unit. When we play 4-4-2 it is a very clear 2 players in the middle with two out wide. It seems obvious to me that Ollie Clarke is not good enough and question marks over Sinclair will not be answered until we are much further in the season. He may prove to be good enough but I think we need two central midfielders in unless Moore can play inside because he seems to have the pace and skill to maybe play the role of running at defenders similar to how Scunthorpe ran at us. Opinions?
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Post by peterparker on Aug 8, 2016 9:01:32 GMT
Whilst saying that the midfield is not good enough to protect the defence or create the chances is it not also true that the defence is also letting down the midfield by not having the pace to compress the game 20 yards further up the pitch? The problem when we go to 4-4-2 is it then leaves only 2 players in the centre and on Saturday it was very clear that the three players were struggling to contain Scunthorpe because they are having to mark not only their players but the players who are moving away from our defence. IMO we need an organiser from the back to ensure players are being MARKED and that player should be the Captain. Lockyer for all his talent is NOT that man - Hartley to me is the obvious choice. The midfield in a 4-4-2 must play more as a unit. When we play 4-4-2 it is a very clear 2 players in the middle with two out wide. It seems obvious to me that Ollie Clarke is not good enough and question marks over Sinclair will not be answered until we are much further in the season. He may prove to be good enough but I think we need two central midfielders in unless Moore can play inside because he seems to have the pace and skill to maybe play the role of running at defenders similar to how Scunthorpe ran at us. Opinions? Why does the organiser have to be the captain? Just like the nonsense of England Captain. People pay too much attention to an essentially meaningless role.
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 8, 2016 9:20:38 GMT
Whilst saying that the midfield is not good enough to protect the defence or create the chances is it not also true that the defence is also letting down the midfield by not having the pace to compress the game 20 yards further up the pitch? The problem when we go to 4-4-2 is it then leaves only 2 players in the centre and on Saturday it was very clear that the three players were struggling to contain Scunthorpe because they are having to mark not only their players but the players who are moving away from our defence. IMO we need an organiser from the back to ensure players are being MARKED and that player should be the Captain. Lockyer for all his talent is NOT that man - Hartley to me is the obvious choice. The midfield in a 4-4-2 must play more as a unit. When we play 4-4-2 it is a very clear 2 players in the middle with two out wide. It seems obvious to me that Ollie Clarke is not good enough and question marks over Sinclair will not be answered until we are much further in the season. He may prove to be good enough but I think we need two central midfielders in unless Moore can play inside because he seems to have the pace and skill to maybe play the role of running at defenders similar to how Scunthorpe ran at us. Opinions? I have to admit that I am a 442 man, mainly because it allows for width with full backs and wingers/wide midfielders to push up or defend together as a group. So for me signing CMs would the a litmus test for our ambitions and ability to recruit. In a 442 I see the two central players being one playmaker to support the forwards and one ballwinner to support the defenders. In my very simplistic view we have Lines (maybe Gosling and Lawrence) as the playmakers and Mansell, Clarke and Sinclair as the ballwinners. Decent players in their own ways but many are unproven in L1 and each carries risks that I don't think we can take without backup. As the loan system is changing and we have reintroduced reserve fixtures, new faces are needed. As for the rest of the team, I would be comfortable with seeing how the first half of the season goes and strengthen in January but midfield is where we will be either comfortable, challenging or facing a difficult season so need quality additions now.
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Post by baggins on Aug 8, 2016 10:06:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 10:14:47 GMT
Whilst saying that the midfield is not good enough to protect the defence or create the chances is it not also true that the defence is also letting down the midfield by not having the pace to compress the game 20 yards further up the pitch? The problem when we go to 4-4-2 is it then leaves only 2 players in the centre and on Saturday it was very clear that the three players were struggling to contain Scunthorpe because they are having to mark not only their players but the players who are moving away from our defence. IMO we need an organiser from the back to ensure players are being MARKED and that player should be the Captain. Lockyer for all his talent is NOT that man - Hartley to me is the obvious choice. The midfield in a 4-4-2 must play more as a unit. When we play 4-4-2 it is a very clear 2 players in the middle with two out wide. It seems obvious to me that Ollie Clarke is not good enough and question marks over Sinclair will not be answered until we are much further in the season. He may prove to be good enough but I think we need two central midfielders in unless Moore can play inside because he seems to have the pace and skill to maybe play the role of running at defenders similar to how Scunthorpe ran at us. Opinions? you always return to the high back line and compressing the space tactic that you prefer but dc dosnt set up the team that way so i dont see it happening. there are pros and cons in any style a team plays but the way we get behind the ball but dont press too much in our opponents half has served dc very well so far. i actually think he is trying to get a central midfield player but the right man hasnt been available at the right price just yet.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 8, 2016 10:55:39 GMT
Whilst saying that the midfield is not good enough to protect the defence or create the chances is it not also true that the defence is also letting down the midfield by not having the pace to compress the game 20 yards further up the pitch? The problem when we go to 4-4-2 is it then leaves only 2 players in the centre and on Saturday it was very clear that the three players were struggling to contain Scunthorpe because they are having to mark not only their players but the players who are moving away from our defence. IMO we need an organiser from the back to ensure players are being MARKED and that player should be the Captain. Lockyer for all his talent is NOT that man - Hartley to me is the obvious choice. The midfield in a 4-4-2 must play more as a unit. When we play 4-4-2 it is a very clear 2 players in the middle with two out wide. It seems obvious to me that Ollie Clarke is not good enough and question marks over Sinclair will not be answered until we are much further in the season. He may prove to be good enough but I think we need two central midfielders in unless Moore can play inside because he seems to have the pace and skill to maybe play the role of running at defenders similar to how Scunthorpe ran at us. Opinions? I'm not really sure why DC went down the route of making TL captain as he seems far too inexperienced to me for that role, whilst he was clearly a different character it didn't seem to do Parkes any favour making him captain at a similar age? I'd have thought TL's better concentrating on learning his own game than marshalling the defence, but what do I know! As far as Scunthorpes defence putting our CM's under pressure surely that's down to our attackers not keeping them penned back/busy defending, did swapping EH for RG lead to that? From the limited amount I've seen Moore pre-season he does seem to have more of a tackle him in than our other wingers so it'll be interesting to see him play but unless we sign somebody this week then we desperatley need Manse back or just stick with 3 in the middle on Thursday.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 11:17:33 GMT
We've lost 1 bleeding tough away game! TL being captain is largely irrelevant.
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Post by peterparker on Aug 8, 2016 11:22:06 GMT
Whilst saying that the midfield is not good enough to protect the defence or create the chances is it not also true that the defence is also letting down the midfield by not having the pace to compress the game 20 yards further up the pitch? The problem when we go to 4-4-2 is it then leaves only 2 players in the centre and on Saturday it was very clear that the three players were struggling to contain Scunthorpe because they are having to mark not only their players but the players who are moving away from our defence. IMO we need an organiser from the back to ensure players are being MARKED and that player should be the Captain. Lockyer for all his talent is NOT that man - Hartley to me is the obvious choice. The midfield in a 4-4-2 must play more as a unit. When we play 4-4-2 it is a very clear 2 players in the middle with two out wide. It seems obvious to me that Ollie Clarke is not good enough and question marks over Sinclair will not be answered until we are much further in the season. He may prove to be good enough but I think we need two central midfielders in unless Moore can play inside because he seems to have the pace and skill to maybe play the role of running at defenders similar to how Scunthorpe ran at us. Opinions? I'm not really sure why DC went down the route of making TL captain as he seems far too inexperienced to me for that role, whilst he was clearly a different character it didn't seem to do Parkes any favour making him captain at a similar age? I'd have thought TL's better concentrating on learning his own game than marshalling the defence, but what do I know! As far as Scunthorpes defence putting our CM's under pressure surely that's down to our attackers not keeping them penned back/busy defending, did swapping EH for RG lead to that? From the limited amount I've seen Moore pre-season he does seem to have more of a tackle him in than our other wingers so it'll be interesting to see him play but unless we sign somebody this week then we desperatley need Manse back or just stick with 3 in the middle on Thursday.
But again, I think that the captaincy is made more of by a lot of fans and probably players in this country
At the end of the day the captain takes the toin coss and gets to chat to the ref. If players are looking around for their captain to do something or lead from the front all the time then they aren’t thinking for themselves or aren’t strong enough in character of their own.
McChrystal is/was nominally captain last year if he didn’t play it was Manse, than Lines. Now they might be the 3 senior players and most experienced, but because Macca played doesn’t stop Manse organising or barking orders.
Lockyer might have been captain, but Hartley can still organise the back line. I would expect Lines to take control of the midfield, arm band or not
The one thing about DC is at least he doesn’t try and shoe horn in his captain into the team because he is nominally the captain or the 1st chice for the armband. DC picks the team first
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