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Post by Severncider on Aug 15, 2016 14:55:45 GMT
..... between playing Chelsea reserves/academy in the EFL Cup which 4k+ fans want to attend and playing Reading reserves/academy in the EFL trophy which people say they want to boycott?
Just asking.
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Post by plymouthgas on Aug 15, 2016 15:04:03 GMT
Difference is we wont be playing chelsea reserves. Chelsea generally take the domestic cups very seriously, and only play 2/3 youth players. When you consider they have no europe this season, absolutely no need for them to rest players. I fully expect them to field a very strong team against us
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Post by truegas on Aug 15, 2016 15:09:54 GMT
..... between playing Chelsea reserves/academy in the EFL Cup which 4k+ fans want to attend and playing Reading reserves/academy in the EFL trophy which people say they want to boycott?
Just asking. plus, there's a lot of difference between a Chelsea side, half first team + half reserves, and a whole Reading side full of players I've never heard of in my life. I've never heard of the vast majority of Reading's first team, so there's a world of difference to me. UTG
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 15, 2016 15:38:53 GMT
..... between playing Chelsea reserves/academy in the EFL Cup which 4k+ fans want to attend and playing Reading reserves/academy in the EFL trophy which people say they want to boycott?
Just asking. The big difference is we won't be officially olaying "Chelsea reserves". We will be playing Chelsea. That therefore will not have any impact on reserve teams entering league and cups. Entering reserve teams into the EFL trophy is a way of gettng these reserve teams in the league etc too eventually.
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Post by peterparker on Aug 15, 2016 15:54:28 GMT
we could likely be facing Begovic, Oscar, Loftus-Cheek, pedro, Mikel, Matic and not a bunch of 21 year olds and also in a proper competition
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 15:57:35 GMT
The EFL trophy situation this season is a precursor to introducing reserve sides to the league. The FA cup and EFL cup situation where a stronger side might choose to rotate it's players is obviously different.
The fixture is Chelsea V BRFC not Chelsea Academy/Reserves/Youth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 15:57:49 GMT
What team Chelsea play is irrelevant. The competition doesnt promote B teams in domestic football = okay. The trophy does.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 15, 2016 16:36:22 GMT
I like these.
What's the difference between a giraffe and an elephant?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 16:41:29 GMT
Although I see this and the trophy as pointless I certainly don't blame any fan for wanting to see us playing at a premiership ground which could include a sprinkling of household names.
It will be a big crowd and we will make a bit of money from it, that'll do for me.
I wont be going but will be hoping for another big draw in the (more worthy) FA Cup.
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Post by socrates on Aug 15, 2016 16:43:32 GMT
I like these. What's the difference between a giraffe and an elephant? The Premier league has more neck than a bag of Giraffes ?
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Post by Newton Abbot Gas on Aug 15, 2016 16:56:21 GMT
we could likely be facing Begovic, Oscar, Loftus-Cheek, pedro, Mikel, Matic and not a bunch of 21 year olds and also in a proper competition In that case then we better play The Beard .....he can man mark all of them simultaneously........UTG
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Post by Severncider on Aug 15, 2016 17:07:15 GMT
Chelsea are also in the EFL Trophy so would there be 4k+ Gasheads wanting to watch them instead of Reading if they were in our draw?
I'm just trying to find where people draw the line.
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Post by paulpirate on Aug 15, 2016 17:19:54 GMT
Doesn't interest me in the slightest I would rather watch a league game,will be a bit watered off if we don't sell 2800 tickets for Swindon and we take 4K to CFC for a meaningless game Got my Swindon ticket earlier and she said there's loads left
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Post by aghast on Aug 15, 2016 17:26:50 GMT
When Chelsea play someone like AFC Wimbledon in the FA Cup they will rest a few players, just as they will against us in the League Cup. It will still be a very strong side though, which on paper ought to marmalise us. There will also be a near full house at Stamford Bridge. I might be wrong about those two last assertions, but I bet I'm not.
You can't compare these ties to the EFL trophy, where no first team players except perhaps some recovering limping and wounded might be given a run out. Instead of smaller clubs being given a chance of glory in the two real cups, we stand to gain nothing in the short term and lose a lot in the long term, and are being used by the big clubs to their advantage.
So if I say I don't want to see Chelsea in the EFL Trophy, I can also say I do want to see Chelsea in the EFL Cup.
They're two different things, like apples and eggs.
Severcider knows all this anyway, I suspect, so I've wasted a few minutes here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 17:38:30 GMT
if a football fan of a smaller club cant see the threat that introducing bigger clubs reserve/academy into fully competitive football against smaller clubs presents then were in big trouble!! the league cup game v chelsea away is against there 1st team,what actual team both sides put out is up to the managers but for me its a world away from proud smaller clubs like ours facing the indignity of playing reading chelsea or maybe in the near future bristol city academy sides.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Aug 15, 2016 17:43:22 GMT
Chelsea are also in the EFL Trophy so would there be 4k+ Gasheads wanting to watch them instead of Reading if they were in our draw? I'm just trying to find where people draw the line. Can't speak for anyone else but no chance I'd be going if it was the trophy. The FL haven't messed with it trying to use it as a stealth way of introducing B teams into the league. Also I'm pretty sure Chelsea's academy play at Aldershot so that would do a pretty good job of putting people off.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Aug 15, 2016 17:44:52 GMT
Doesn't interest me in the slightest I would rather watch a league game,will be a bit watered off if we don't sell 2800 tickets for Swindon and we take 4K to CFC for a meaningless game Got my Swindon ticket earlier and she said there's loads left Unfortunately this kind of game will attract many who won't come again for a very long time. Would be the same at any club. I imagine the only song we'll sing is GI as some won't know any others!
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Post by paulpirate on Aug 15, 2016 17:50:10 GMT
Exeter took 9k to old Trafford they don't get that at home
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Aug 15, 2016 17:51:15 GMT
Exeter took 9k to old Trafford they don't get that at home And Crawley took like 7k there too and they barely get 1500!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 17:53:40 GMT
Chelsea are also in the EFL Trophy so would there be 4k+ Gasheads wanting to watch them instead of Reading if they were in our draw? I'm just trying to find where people draw the line. No, it's a different tournament, different teams and different implications. Chelsea in the League Cup, Chelsea B in the Trophy. That's an obvious differentiation to start with. The whole point of the Trophy boycott is that by going, you encourage B teams in the league etc. as that is the FA's/FL's big experiment. If it works they will introduce it into the league and we'll be playing Stoke B on a Saturday. League Cup has been around for decades and there are no further implications from us playing this tie next week. Therefore, Chelsea in League Cup is fine. Chelsea B in EFL Trophy is not fine. Same if we were drawn against Reading in this round of the League Cup too.
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