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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 20:26:21 GMT
We have got where we are not by spending money, but by winning as a solid squad with a certain mentality. Our near neighbours had flirted with relegation from this league a few seasons ago and have struggled to have a comfortable ride a league above. For that type of experience, they have spent 10s of millions!
The nonsense about our new owners cash flow was over reaction from a few fans which manifested in the media. From day 1 Wael has said it will be all about gradual progression/evolution etc. Let's be honest, isn't that what we want? A few of our loanees have come with a potential for the longer stay if things work out-Gaffney, so we have the best opportunity to get to know them prior to long term commitment.
It comes as no surprise that there are negative murmurs already since that is a supporters prerogative. It seems like only yesterday that Trolls was getting pelters and Lennies contribution was under so much scrutiny that it self fulfilled into him leaving.
Shall we enjoy this ride?
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Post by aghast on Aug 26, 2016 20:27:26 GMT
Didn't even the miracle worker Eddie Howe need a cash injection of about £40m to consolidate in the Championship and push on to the Premier League?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 21:08:08 GMT
Didn't even the miracle worker Eddie Howe need a cash injection of about £40m to consolidate in the Championship and push on to the Premier League? I've said it before the Championship is a place which will squeeze every ounce of cash out of you with very little reward. That league smells of dirty cash, we'd do well not to get relegated by Feb, better off competing in L1 until the ground is sorted one way or another.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 21:30:48 GMT
Didn't even the miracle worker Eddie Howe need a cash injection of about £40m to consolidate in the Championship and push on to the Premier League? I've said it before the Championship is a place which will squeeze every ounce of cash out of you with very little reward. That league smells of dirty cash, we'd do well not to get relegated by Feb, better off competing in L1 until the ground is sorted one way or another. ive got a feeling thats how the board view it,that said if we did do a burton,yeovil or mk dons it wouldnt do any harm getting relegated after 1 season would it?
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Post by rambo on Aug 26, 2016 21:34:43 GMT
I am not sure that the way in which DC is building the squad has anything to do with the finances that have been, or will be, made available by Wael. My reading of the situation is that DC has complete control over the footballing side of things and this is the way that he wants to do it. DC is definitely NOT the sort of manager that likes to throw money at a squad of players - he seems to prefer to build a squad with a certain mentality and builds the team around that. I am sure that if DC asked for funding, he would get it (within reason). I just don't think that he is that sort of manager and it has been said before - they do not want to risk ruining the current "togetherness" of the squad by importing a couple of highly paid "star players" I also think that the loan situation is different this year because of the changes to the rules. The players that we have brought in may come from a higher placed club and the particular players we have taken might have current aspirations to progress their careers with their existing clubs. However, these are long term loans and, as I understand it, the latest two loanees are out of contract at the end of the loan period. We have the chance to get a real good look at them and, if they are a good fit and we are successful, then it should be possible to negotiate permanent deals for next season. There isn't much difference between a season long loanee and a permanent player with just a year left on their contract. Slam I've read three posts from you including this one recently which are spot on. Top man. DC keeps the squad fresh without ever seeming to make wholesale changes. People seem to suggest these are the same players we started with in the conference. Yet every loan window including the January ones, he has brought in 2-5 players slowly and steadily. It's perfect management in my eyes and I can't praise his intelligence enough.
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Post by socrates on Aug 26, 2016 21:46:56 GMT
But as anybody told DC that? Probably not and I'm sure he doesn't think of anything apart from winning as thats what he is paid to do. We have all seen sides perform miracles to get into the Premier league for example, then said miracle manager gets sacked before Christmas when they probably would have had a lot more management time by staying in the lower division challenging near the top every year keeping everyone happy. Of course nobody would say no to the Championship (i've only seen us there for 2 seasons) but looking at the bigger picture you have to spend millions and probably still end up being relegated, or you go down the Yeovil route and where are they now. Burton are off to a pretty good start with a very similar budget and set up to us in the championship they beat Derby tonight to go 6th and their record £300,000 signing played. It can be done, not the Yeovil way of course because that was built on a very wobbly foundation.
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Post by markczgas on Aug 26, 2016 21:50:18 GMT
Probably not and I'm sure he doesn't think of anything apart from winning as thats what he is paid to do. We have all seen sides perform miracles to get into the Premier league for example, then said miracle manager gets sacked before Christmas when they probably would have had a lot more management time by staying in the lower division challenging near the top every year keeping everyone happy. Of course nobody would say no to the Championship (i've only seen us there for 2 seasons) but looking at the bigger picture you have to spend millions and probably still end up being relegated, or you go down the Yeovil route and where are they now. Burton are off to a pretty good start with a very similar budget and set up to us in the championship they beat Derby tonight to go 6th and their record £300,000 signing played. It can be done, not the Yeovil way of course because that was built on a very wobbly foundation. Still very early days though - I would still be shocked if they manage to avoid the drop !
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Post by socrates on Aug 26, 2016 22:41:15 GMT
Burton are off to a pretty good start with a very similar budget and set up to us in the championship they beat Derby tonight to go 6th and their record £300,000 signing played. It can be done, not the Yeovil way of course because that was built on a very wobbly foundation. Still very early days though - I would still be shocked if they manage to avoid the drop ! I reckon they'll stay up , bottom half half but comfortable come the end. I'm basing that on the two games I've seen this season but theres so many badly run clubs in the championship that will finish below them and they're so well drilled that if clough stays they'll stay up.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 26, 2016 22:50:13 GMT
I don't think DC turned down Leeds to stay in League 2 but I suspect he would be happy for a season of consolidation. ....but he'd have to leave us and drop down a division to stay in League 2?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 23:08:01 GMT
I've said it before the Championship is a place which will squeeze every ounce of cash out of you with very little reward. That league smells of dirty cash, we'd do well not to get relegated by Feb, better off competing in L1 until the ground is sorted one way or another. ive got a feeling thats how the board view it,that said if we did do a burton,yeovil or mk dons it wouldnt do any harm getting relegated after 1 season would it? That depends what the fallout is; relegation means players leaving, possibly the manager getting the boot, discontent from fans etc etc. In the long run promotion could work against us. Saying that you have to do the best you can in the league you are in, it will always be a case of get there first, worry about the details later. The ground situation really does need clarifying sooner rather than later though, that's the first piece of the jigsaw to put in place. The less we hear about that the more worried I will get.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 23:33:10 GMT
ive got a feeling thats how the board view it,that said if we did do a burton,yeovil or mk dons it wouldnt do any harm getting relegated after 1 season would it? That depends what the fallout is; relegation means players leaving, possibly the manager getting the boot, discontent from fans etc etc. In the long run promotion could work against us. Saying that you have to do the best you can in the league you are in, it will always be a case of get there first, worry about the details later. The ground situation really does need clarifying sooner rather than later though, that's the first piece of the jigsaw to put in place. The less we hear about that the more worried I will get. lets hope we hear some news about the ground soon though i very much want to trust the owner/board to deliver in the long run
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 23:41:44 GMT
That depends what the fallout is; relegation means players leaving, possibly the manager getting the boot, discontent from fans etc etc. In the long run promotion could work against us. Saying that you have to do the best you can in the league you are in, it will always be a case of get there first, worry about the details later. The ground situation really does need clarifying sooner rather than later though, that's the first piece of the jigsaw to put in place. The less we hear about that the more worried I will get. lets hope we hear some news about the ground soon though i very much want to trust the owner/board to deliver in the long run Im waiting to see some value to the Wael takeover. The debt has gone, has it? or has it been moved elsewhere? who knows. Do Derby and Swansea reserves really cost that much on loan? Silence/no news on the stadium apparently means things are progressing, im a bit more pessimistic as being a gashead usually means more downs than ups!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 23:48:52 GMT
lets hope we hear some news about the ground soon though i very much want to trust the owner/board to deliver in the long run Im waiting to see some value to the Wael takeover. The debt has gone, has it? or has it been moved elsewhere? who knows. Do Derby and Swansea reserves really cost that much on loan? Silence/no news on the stadium apparently means things are progressing, im a bit more pessimistic as being a gashead usually means more downs than ups! i understand your fears but also like the way we kept our best players while oxford lost there finest so feel they have put some hard cash into the playing budget. im keeping an open mind based on trust of the new owners,,just me
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 23:57:09 GMT
Im waiting to see some value to the Wael takeover. The debt has gone, has it? or has it been moved elsewhere? who knows. Do Derby and Swansea reserves really cost that much on loan? Silence/no news on the stadium apparently means things are progressing, im a bit more pessimistic as being a gashead usually means more downs than ups! i understand your fears but also like the way we kept our best players while oxford lost there finest so feel they have put some hard cash into the playing budget. im keeping an open mind based on trust of the new owners,,just me I know but Oxford lost their players because teams were willing to pay over the odds for them, if someone had offered that sort of moneyfor any of our players they would have been sold. Id like us to sign someone like Ollie Watkins from Exeter, pay a bit of cash for him which would be a good investment. Maybe just someone to show the emperor actually does have clothes.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 27, 2016 6:28:02 GMT
Spending £250K on Lambert was probably the best bit of transfer business the club have done for years.
If we are going to challenge this season we may need to do that again.
I still really get my head around Wael's plans for the club, as why spend the best part of £100m on buying the club, funding the UWE and a training ground but then spend less on the playing squad than the previous board would probably be spending this season?
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 27, 2016 16:07:31 GMT
I don't think DC turned down Leeds to stay in League 2 but I suspect he would be happy for a season of consolidation. ....but he'd have to leave us and drop down a division to stay in League 2? Apologies. I meant League 1, I suspect most people knew what I meant but you are correct! UTG!
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Post by singupgas on Aug 27, 2016 16:26:51 GMT
Spending £250K on Lambert was probably the best bit of transfer business the club have done for years. If we are going to challenge this season we may need to do that again. I still really get my head around Wael's plans for the club, as why spend the best part of £100m on buying the club, funding the UWE and a training ground but then spend less on the playing squad than the previous board would probably be spending this season? I think does raise a few questions we've done alright later couple seasons without spending, but I think team way football is going even a league 1 if you want to be competitive you have spend a bit. It would be a nightmare as far as I am concerned if it is announce UWE/ or another stadium is going to be built but we slip back in league 2.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Aug 27, 2016 16:34:20 GMT
Spending £250K on Lambert was probably the best bit of transfer business the club have done for years. If we are going to challenge this season we may need to do that again. I still really get my head around Wael's plans for the club, as why spend the best part of £100m on buying the club, funding the UWE and a training ground but then spend less on the playing squad than the previous board would probably be spending this season? I think does raise a few questions we've done alright later couple seasons without spending, but I think team way football is going even a league 1 if you want to be competitive you have spend a bit. It would be a nightmare as far as I am concerned if it is announce UWE/ or another stadium is going to be built but we slip back in league 2. I am loving the Wael effect; however, I think its quite clear he aint going to be spending any money on transfers, not sure he is going to be spending any money on a stadium either, i am under the impression he is looking for a bank to stump up the cash. Although, the UWE fiasco has gone remarkably quite, would nt be surprised if the project falls on its arse and we remain at the MEM
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Post by youmadethatup on Aug 27, 2016 16:56:34 GMT
Spending £250K on Lambert was probably the best bit of transfer business the club have done for years. If we are going to challenge this season we may need to do that again. I still really get my head around Wael's plans for the club, as why spend the best part of £100m on buying the club, funding the UWE and a training ground but then spend less on the playing squad than the previous board would probably be spending this season? I think does raise a few questions we've done alright later couple seasons without spending, but I think team way football is going even a league 1 if you want to be competitive you have spend a bit. It would be a nightmare as far as I am concerned if it is announce UWE/ or another stadium is going to be built but we slip back in league 2. Firstly fans need to consider why they want the club so desperately to BUY a player(s) ? Is it because both Bristol clubs have wealthy owners but city's owner is throwingthe cash about ? and there is a little envy going on ? Do fans think buying players guarantee s success ? Unless BRFC spend several million on a player it's not going to impress the neighbours and spending that will disrupt the squad so that's a no no . Plenty of teams spend big and fail badly ,it's about teams not individuals. I think DC has the aim to get to the playoffs but his main goal is to start building a stronger and bigger squad in preparation for a longer term serious attempt at taking the club up a level. As has been pointed out unless the stadium,training and everything behind the scenes is brought upto championship standard the club will be unbalanced and therefore unstable. You only have to look at the neighbours to see that the big investment didn't really start until the stadium was fit for purpose ,the training set up and academy and behind the scenes set up were ready. Ironically it's been the uwe stadium planning consent and the arrival of the Al Qadi family that have forced Mr Lansdowne s hand , he knows that BRFC growing and improving on and off the field creates real competition for customers. Rovers are just off the starting blocks they have a long way to go ,but at least they are in the race now.
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Post by singupgas on Aug 27, 2016 17:10:54 GMT
I think does raise a few questions we've done alright later couple seasons without spending, but I think team way football is going even a league 1 if you want to be competitive you have spend a bit. It would be a nightmare as far as I am concerned if it is announce UWE/ or another stadium is going to be built but we slip back in league 2. Firstly fans need to consider why they want the club so desperately to BUY a player(s) ? Is it because both Bristol clubs have wealthy owners but city's owner is throwingthe cash about ? and there is a little envy going on ? Do fans think buying players guarantee s success ? Unless BRFC spend several million on a player it's not going to impress the neighbours and spending that will disrupt the squad so that's a no no . Plenty of teams spend big and fail badly ,it's about teams not individuals. I think DC has the aim to get to the playoffs but his main goal is to start building a stronger and bigger squad in preparation for a longer term serious attempt at taking the club up a level. As has been pointed out unless the stadium,training and everything behind the scenes is brought upto championship standard the club will be unbalanced and therefore unstable. You only have to look at the neighbours to see that the big investment didn't really start until the stadium was fit for purpose ,the training set up and academy and behind the scenes set up were ready. Ironically it's been the uwe stadium planning consent and the arrival of the Al Qadi family that have forced Mr Lansdowne s hand , he knows that BRFC growing and improving on and off the field creates real competition for customers. Rovers are just off the starting blocks they have a long way to go ,but at least they are in the race now. Nothing to do with the neighbours, i am dont pay much notice to them at all, i couldn't tell you who they played to day or whop they signed, i do seem to hear alot about some woman called Tammy, can only guess she is a die hard Sh1thead. I am not asking us to spend millions just to make calculated signings in areas which are clear to most need strengthening. As for off the pitch, i havent been this optimistic in all my years supporting the Gas, believing the club is now in capable hands and want to do things the right way, cant wait for next stadium announcement.
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