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Post by long john silver on Aug 28, 2016 20:50:13 GMT
Not very clear at all............ He has cleared the debt bought the club and said from day ONE that the club will evolve... that means it has to stand on its own 2 feet and not be subsidised He also never said he has cleared the debt, the wonga loan yes, the other £6/7m we will have to wait for the financial figures for last season. Our season ticket sales, gates last season and wage budget which is hugely reduced from the previous regimes all would support aquiring a few decent league 1 players. Look forward to a chance to find out why we are not investing in the squad. Wael and hamer have been crystal clear on their stance regarding spending money on players. I'm not sure what else there suppose to tell people. It was made clear from day one that they wouldn't be spending big on players until the infrastructure was right.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 23:00:14 GMT
its too early to judge any of the new players thats obvious to anyone surely. what people really mean when they are critical of our new boys is they were hoping for bigger names. quite a few fans hoped we would be signing the type of players city are signing ie championship players but dc clearly dosnt have the budget for that and even if he did they would prefer to play in the championship. got to question why DC doesn't have a decent budget now? Not mocking anyone's hard work over last 6 months we're clearly better off and being more professionally ran...but evolution and revolution won't sound so great if we are struggling mid season. i would have thought the budget was quite decent at least half way in the league 1 budget stakes. we kept everyone and taylor bodin lockyer lines and brown wouldnt have been especially cheap and we have brought in 5 new players
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Post by yategas78 on Aug 29, 2016 7:32:18 GMT
Perrhaps we need an update from the club regarding the infrastructure the new training facilities and of course the stadium "project" it migh help to kerb the supporters frustrations!
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 29, 2016 7:49:18 GMT
He also never said he has cleared the debt, the wonga loan yes, the other £6/7m we will have to wait for the financial figures for last season. Our season ticket sales, gates last season and wage budget which is hugely reduced from the previous regimes all would support aquiring a few decent league 1 players. Look forward to a chance to find out why we are not investing in the squad. Wael and hamer have been crystal clear on their stance regarding spending money on players. I'm not sure what else there suppose to tell people. It was made clear from day one that they wouldn't be spending big on players until the infrastructure was right. Have they, or have they actually said he'll have a competitive budget (and that was last season not this?) which could actually mean anything? Bar the top 3 or 4 clubs this summer's season ticket sales probably exceed most Div 1 clubs, average attendances could also exceed most Div 1 clubs, so I can't see why DC hasn't been given a top 6 budget, regardless of whether Wael wants to top it up with his own money or not. The whole club as a "feel good" feeling to it at present and it's down to DC & Wael/SH to keep that going with a successful season, which must surely be competing at the right end of the table. I can't see that happening with our present midfield.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 29, 2016 7:57:34 GMT
Perrhaps we need an update from the club regarding the infrastructure the new training facilities and of course the stadium "project" it migh help to kerb the supporters frustrations! Agreed, having never been far from the media last season SH seems to have rarely done an interview this season on Radio Bristol etc?
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Post by knowall on Aug 29, 2016 9:02:48 GMT
when there is nothing to say there is nothing to say.
Sounds like you are the sort of supporter who should go south of the river and live on rumours where some happen but most don't.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 29, 2016 9:10:44 GMT
Didn't even the miracle worker Eddie Howe need a cash injection of about £40m to consolidate in the Championship and push on to the Premier League? A lot less than that in the championship. The defence that was in League 1 played several times in the Premier league and they spent a few million in the Championship but they have spent a lot in the Premier league. But your point is correct, no matter how good the manager is we would need to spend a lot in the Championship just to consolidate.
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Post by long john silver on Aug 29, 2016 9:45:34 GMT
Wael and hamer have been crystal clear on their stance regarding spending money on players. I'm not sure what else there suppose to tell people. It was made clear from day one that they wouldn't be spending big on players until the infrastructure was right. Have they, or have they actually said he'll have a competitive budget (and that was last season not this?) which could actually mean anything? Bar the top 3 or 4 clubs this summer's season ticket sales probably exceed most Div 1 clubs, average attendances could also exceed most Div 1 clubs, so I can't see why DC hasn't been given a top 6 budget, regardless of whether Wael wants to top it up with his own money or not. The whole club as a "feel good" feeling to it at present and it's down to DC & Wael/SH to keep that going with a successful season, which must surely be competing at the right end of the table. I can't see that happening with our present midfield. They have said many times our budget this year is competitive for league 1.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 29, 2016 10:57:25 GMT
Problem is who are we competing against, bottom third, mid table or top third? If the latter then there's no excuse for DC not bringing in a bit more quality this week?
Bar Taylor & Locks plus possibly Lines/Lawrence/Easter I can't imagine we're paying big Div 1 wages to any of the present squad, who are mostly ex Div 2/Conference players probably just happy to get a contract with a Div 1 team.
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Post by peterparker on Aug 29, 2016 14:00:46 GMT
I do wonder what people expect and where they expect us to be come the end of the season.
I am happy to stay up and gauge what we need snd i reckon we can do that with what we have
With the new PL TV deal this is already filtering down in to the Championship with mental transfer fees. If we are to get there we need now more than ever the infrastructure to support it.
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Post by Cantankerous Gas on Aug 29, 2016 14:28:03 GMT
I think DC will have a competitive budget this year.
We know from various DC interviews that our Wage Bill when we got relegated from League 2 was £1.7m.
Our Wage Bill last season was £1.4m.
Pay rises to last year's team (particularly Matty T) and a bigger squad must mean we're currently at about £1.8m.
For reference Swindle's budget last year was £1.5m and has been increased to £2m this season (after Ajose was sold).
Last year Sheffield United's Wage Bill was £6million!!!!
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Post by gasincider on Aug 29, 2016 17:08:46 GMT
Hopefully yesterday's shocking first half performance will concentrate a few minds. Completely overrun in midfield against a swindon side who will themselves struggle to be halfway up come may. We need proper quality, permanent signings preferably in midfield. That's not revolution, it's essential for survival. Whilst I agree we need stronger midfield options, I would suggest that in the first half we played the god awful 3-5-2 set up which would bore most sane people to death, and it allowed Swindon to do as they pleased. Can't comment on the second half (or at least 15 mins of it) as I couldn't see a damn thing. But as someone previously said, we need to know that we will have the infrastructure in place if we are to make the next move up. As it is, we would only have three years to go all seater if we were to go up again, and that is my major worry. If we look to settle for mid table this season, does that tell us that the UWE is not coming in to land as SH would put it?
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Post by paulpirate on Aug 29, 2016 20:21:11 GMT
They will be handing out cushions to sit on in the blackthorn end then,where are Swindon getting their money from? They bought someone from Liverpool 400k Is that the dark haired bloke that ran their midfield? He was a good player,hint hint wael
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 22:01:44 GMT
Problem is who are we competing against, bottom third, mid table or top third? If the latter then there's no excuse for DC not bringing in a bit more quality this week? Bar Taylor & Locks plus possibly Lines/Lawrence/Easter I can't imagine we're paying big Div 1 wages to any of the present squad, who are mostly ex Div 2/Conference players probably just happy to get a contract with a Div 1 team. that dosnt make sense bodin 2 year deal must have been a chance of losing him hartley i think 2 year deal turned down plymouth contract moore 2 year deal turned down port vale contract leadbitter 2 year deal must have been a raise lee brown 2 year deal must have been a decent offer for him to sign luke james £750,000 signing on loan must be a decent wage with that sort of fee. and the players you already mentioned of which i believe taylor must be on very good money
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 29, 2016 22:27:48 GMT
Bodin, Hartley, Brown and Leadbitter were all on Div 2 contracts last season, so are guaranteed to earn more on Div 1 contracts but that doesn't mean they'll now be on big Div 1 wages, likewise James is still under contract at P'boro so we may only be paying 50% or less of his wages. As for Moore hopefully we can match, or better PV's offer given we're are now getting far bigger gates.
Apart from the players I've already mentioned I can't see any are on big Div 1 wages and Locks is only a youngster anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 22:53:42 GMT
Bodin, Hartley, Brown and Leadbitter were all on Div 2 contracts last season, so are guaranteed to earn more on Div 1 contracts but that doesn't mean they'll now be on big Div 1 wages, likewise James is still under contract at P'boro so we may only be paying 50% or less of his wages. As for Moore hopefully we can match, or better PV's offer given we're are now getting far bigger gates. Apart from the players I've already mentioned I can't see any are on big Div 1 wages and Locks is only a youngster anyway. our budget isnt massive in league 1 but surely its somewhere in the middle,the owner wants a new ground,a very good academy and better training facilities so evolution means a mid table budget and hopefully a mid table position. we havnt played enough games for me to get a feeling of how we will do or to judge the new players. like every newly promoted team we just dont quite know how we will do but we should i believe respect the reasonable budget given to the manager by the new regime. i dont get people screaming out for big money signings and dismissing the players already here quite so quickly?
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Post by chippenhamgas on Aug 30, 2016 4:34:48 GMT
Hopefully yesterday's shocking first half performance will concentrate a few minds. Completely overrun in midfield against a swindon side who will themselves struggle to be halfway up come may. We need proper quality, permanent signings preferably in midfield. That's not revolution, it's essential for survival. Whilst I agree we need stronger midfield options, I would suggest that in the first half we played the god awful 3-5-2 set up which would bore most sane people to death, and it allowed Swindon to do as they pleased. Can't comment on the second half (or at least 15 mins of it) as I couldn't see a damn thing. But as someone previously said, we need to know that we will have the infrastructure in place if we are to make the next move up. As it is, we would only have three years to go all seater if we were to go up again, and that is my major worry. If we look to settle for mid table this season, does that tell us that the UWE is not coming in to land as SH would put it? The longer the uwe silence continues the more likely it isn't going to happen. That sets us back 5 years. Does that mean that for the next 5 years our only ambition will be mid table league one. Maybe wael should have done more homework before he bought the club.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 7:45:15 GMT
Whilst I agree we need stronger midfield options, I would suggest that in the first half we played the god awful 3-5-2 set up which would bore most sane people to death, and it allowed Swindon to do as they pleased. Can't comment on the second half (or at least 15 mins of it) as I couldn't see a damn thing. But as someone previously said, we need to know that we will have the infrastructure in place if we are to make the next move up. As it is, we would only have three years to go all seater if we were to go up again, and that is my major worry. If we look to settle for mid table this season, does that tell us that the UWE is not coming in to land as SH would put it? The longer the uwe silence continues the more likely it isn't going to happen. That sets us back 5 years. Does that mean that for the next 5 years our only ambition will be mid table league one. Maybe wael should have done more homework before he bought the club. well if we did finish mid table in league 1 for 5 years it would be a damn sight better than most or all of our league positions for the last 16 years and something that was only a distant impossible dream when got relegated out of the league!!
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Post by peterparker on Aug 30, 2016 8:17:12 GMT
Whilst I agree we need stronger midfield options, I would suggest that in the first half we played the god awful 3-5-2 set up which would bore most sane people to death, and it allowed Swindon to do as they pleased. Can't comment on the second half (or at least 15 mins of it) as I couldn't see a damn thing. But as someone previously said, we need to know that we will have the infrastructure in place if we are to make the next move up. As it is, we would only have three years to go all seater if we were to go up again, and that is my major worry. If we look to settle for mid table this season, does that tell us that the UWE is not coming in to land as SH would put it? The longer the uwe silence continues the more likely it isn't going to happen. That sets us back 5 years. Does that mean that for the next 5 years our only ambition will be mid table league one. Maybe wael should have done more homework before he bought the club. Who says that needs to be our only ambition for the next 5 years? Right now we need to get our footing and asses our position. What we have now IMO is enough to stay up this year and we are seeking a couple more additions. Why do people want us to splurge money? Again perhaps players, club and agents think we will spend because of the owner and want to much. When you look at the money in the championship right now we need to be on some sort of sound footing new ground or not when.we get there. We dont need to 'chase the dream' but work toward it
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 30, 2016 9:11:03 GMT
Whilst I agree we need stronger midfield options, I would suggest that in the first half we played the god awful 3-5-2 set up which would bore most sane people to death, and it allowed Swindon to do as they pleased. Can't comment on the second half (or at least 15 mins of it) as I couldn't see a damn thing. But as someone previously said, we need to know that we will have the infrastructure in place if we are to make the next move up. As it is, we would only have three years to go all seater if we were to go up again, and that is my major worry. If we look to settle for mid table this season, does that tell us that the UWE is not coming in to land as SH would put it? The longer the uwe silence continues the more likely it isn't going to happen. That sets us back 5 years. Does that mean that for the next 5 years our only ambition will be mid table league one. Maybe wael should have done more homework before he bought the club. Why does it?
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