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Post by bluegas on Aug 28, 2016 9:22:29 GMT
There seem to be an increasing numbers of idiots at Rovers matches, or im just getting older and more sensitive to things. At the bolton home game, east stand, some guy spent almost the entire 2nd Half yelling abuse at the bolton manager it was pretty aggressive and not good, i thought about complaining to a steward but i didnt. If i complain to a steward about constant use of expletives at full volume will they do anything or tell me its not an issue? A sign of our success? I agree with you but Phil Parkinson did himself no favours.
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Post by xplosivgas on Aug 28, 2016 9:23:59 GMT
It's all very well critisising people for not handing out vigilante justice on these people, but it's the stewards and police who should 'grow a pair' because dealing with situations like that is pretty much the sole reason they're PAID to be there.
You can't expect a 50-something bloke and mates of similar age to deal with a group of mouthy violent chavs. To think otherwise you'd have to be of similar intellect to them.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Aug 28, 2016 9:48:09 GMT
When I first started going football in the 70s there was a fairly high risk of getting into fights with opposition fans whether you were looking for it or not. These days there is a much higher risk that you will get into a fight with your own fans whether you are looking for it or not.
Away games that are sold out and all seater are a continual bane and where people do not sit in their allocated seat which then has a knock on effect that loads of people turn up to find their seat occupied. This in turn leads to loads of people stood in gangways blocking the views of people who don't want to or are unable to stand.
It needs sorting by the stewards who generally don't want to know. If it isn't stamped out before long there is a fair chance that there is going to be a mass brawl amongst our own fans that women, children and the old will get caught up in. All because of selfish behaviour and weak stewarding and couldn't care less policing.
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Post by althepirate on Aug 28, 2016 10:52:14 GMT
Comments like 'grow a pair' are not thought out, chances are the police would throw us both out, we would both get banned and we'd need to 'grow a pair' of binoculars to see the next game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 11:01:20 GMT
When I first started going football in the 70s there was a fairly high risk of getting into fights with opposition fans whether you were looking for it or not. These days there is a much higher risk that you will get into a fight with your own fans whether you are looking for it or not. Away games that are sold out and all seater are a continual bane and where people do not sit in their allocated seat which then has a knock on effect that loads of people turn up to find their seat occupied. This in turn leads to loads of people stood in gangways blocking the views of people who don't want to or are unable to stand. It needs sorting by the stewards who generally don't want to know. If it isn't stamped out before long there is a fair chance that there is going to be a mass brawl amongst our own fans that women, children and the old will get caught up in. All because of selfish behaviour and weak stewarding and couldn't care less policing. The stewards in the Arkell Stand told everybody coming in that it was unallocated seating, and there didn't seem to be any problems. We were also sold bottles of Coke with the tops still on - makes a nice change to be treated like a decent human being at football. I totally agree with you when allocated seating is in operation, at some point it is going to boil over.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 11:38:41 GMT
It's all very well critisising people for not handing out vigilante justice on these people, but it's the stewards and police who should 'grow a pair' because dealing with situations like that is pretty much the sole reason they're PAID to be there. You can't expect a 50-something bloke and mates of similar age to deal with a group of mouthy violent chavs. To think otherwise you'd have to be of similar intellect to them. Oh right. Shall I teach my kids to bow down to bullies aswell then? It's only a possible solution after all. The OP and persons affected are the ones who have the decisions to make. Either take it or deal with it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 11:40:44 GMT
Comments like 'grow a pair' are not thought out, chances are the police would throw us both out, we would both get banned and we'd need to 'grow a pair' of binoculars to see the next game. You wouldn't get thrown out if the cowards around voiced up and backed you.
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Post by xplosivgas on Aug 28, 2016 12:09:23 GMT
It's all very well critisising people for not handing out vigilante justice on these people, but it's the stewards and police who should 'grow a pair' because dealing with situations like that is pretty much the sole reason they're PAID to be there. You can't expect a 50-something bloke and mates of similar age to deal with a group of mouthy violent chavs. To think otherwise you'd have to be of similar intellect to them. Oh right. Shall I teach my kids to bow down to bullies aswell then? It's only a possible solution after all. The OP and persons affected are the ones who have the decisions to make. Either take it or deal with it. I'm all for standing up to bullies, but there's got to be some common sense. If you teach your kids to rush head first into any situation regardless of the odds, I just don't think that's a very responsible thing to do. I suspect you'd feel like crap if one of your children ended up seriously injured after taking on the wrong nutter / group of nutters.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 12:13:38 GMT
Comments like 'grow a pair' are not thought out, chances are the police would throw us both out, we would both get banned and we'd need to 'grow a pair' of binoculars to see the next game. You wouldn't get thrown out if the cowards around voiced up and backed you. Perhaps these cowards thought better go home safe and sound then act the man and have a couple of nights free B and B at Swindon general.
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Post by althepirate on Aug 28, 2016 12:15:19 GMT
Comments like 'grow a pair' are not thought out, chances are the police would throw us both out, we would both get banned and we'd need to 'grow a pair' of binoculars to see the next game. You wouldn't get thrown out if the cowards around voiced up and backed you. I know where your coming from but like you say you need the cowards around you to back you up and it's not guaranteed. I don't know what year/day it happened but anger even justified anger went out of fashion and the good and evil are lumped together in the same cell now. My mate smacked the bloke who was knocking off his missus and because of this he has been stopped from seeing his four kids for 6 years.He still has to pay for them though. Utter madness.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 12:31:10 GMT
You wouldn't get thrown out if the cowards around voiced up and backed you. Perhaps these cowards thought better go home safe and sound then act the man and have a couple of nights free B and B at Swindon general. Perhaps. I'd prefer to act rather than watch. Like I said, where do you draw the line? My conscience is clearer if I do the right thing (imo) standing and witnessing an injustice is not the right thing. I'm out.
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Post by puregas on Aug 28, 2016 14:35:10 GMT
It's also about having a level of tolerance towards others though isn't it?
In 50 odd years of supporting Rovers, I've never had the need to have a go any anyone, make a complaint, or even get that angry, except when we play a bit sh** that is.
I don't really mind that much when people rip up their 50/50 tickets and throw the bits on the floor, take it on the chin if the pasties run out, don't get out my pram if Nick Day says something a bit edgy, and take it as fairly normal behaviour for someone to put up a brolly in torrential rain, and try and get another eight people underneath for shelter.
For me, Saturday is about fun with your mates, watching your team, and getting on with everyone you come in contact with, in a 1500 crowd at Accrington, or a 70000 one at Wembley.
If you're determined to act like Victor Meldrew the moment you leave your house, you probably are never really going to enjoy yourself.
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Post by Okebournegas on Aug 28, 2016 15:13:32 GMT
It's also about having a level of tolerance towards others though isn't it? In 50 odd years of supporting Rovers, I've never had the need to have a go any anyone, make a complaint, or even get that angry, except when we play a bit sh** that is. I don't really mind that much when people rip up their 50/50 tickets and throw the bits on the floor, take it on the chin if the pasties run out, don't get out my pram if Nick Day says something a bit edgy, and take it as fairly normal behaviour for someone to put up a brolly in torrential rain, and try and get another eight people underneath for shelter. For me, Saturday is about fun with your mates, watching your team, and getting on with everyone you come in contact with, in a 1500 crowd at Accrington, or a 70000 one at Wembley. If you're determined to act like Victor Meldrew the moment you leave your house, you probably are never really going to enjoy yourself. So true mate , unfortunately I'm a right victor Meldrew and I just have a disliking towards people in general. Good points !
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Post by jaunkerr on Aug 28, 2016 15:19:45 GMT
Perhaps these cowards thought better go home safe and sound then act the man and have a couple of nights free B and B at Swindon general. Perhaps. I'd prefer to act rather than watch. Like I said, where do you draw the line? My conscience is clearer if I do the right thing (imo) standing and witnessing an injustice is not the right thing. I'm out. Totally agree with you mate and I know a good few in their 50's that I wouldn't want to come up against and I'm in my late 30's and pretty big, fit and can deal with my own stuff. I would certainly have not stayed quiet and I have helped out others before. It needs more to make it plain that it won't be tolerated
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Post by Langford Gas on Aug 28, 2016 15:49:02 GMT
In my experience this behaviour is more prevalent at away games, I buy a seat simply because I find it very uncomfortable to stand for the whole game , if I do I suffer for it the next day. Without exception all the away games I have been to recently more than 50% stand in front their seats and on more than one occasion I have been verbally abused for trying to sit in the seat number on my ticket with no success !
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Post by lpgas on Aug 28, 2016 17:10:19 GMT
21 years of teaching in London. I dealt with these types of wankers everyday. The advantage I had though was their parents phone numbers, and if they didn't turn up then the kid stayed home until they did, which was usually the next
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Post by clockendgas on Aug 28, 2016 18:17:29 GMT
Back in the 90s when we played out a 3 all draw down at ashton id bought a blue and white golf brolley that morning as the weather looked dodgy.It never crossed my mind pc plod wouldnt let me in, not wanting to leave it outside i asked where i could leave it safe? pc plod told me to take it to an office around by the bloody east end. So off i go trying to hid the blue bits under the white bits, really felt like i had gas written on my forehead, getting a few looks of city blokes going into east end.Made the office,left brolly and walked back, no problem. Only trouble was i had to make the same trip at 4.45 before the ee came pouring out, made it just, head down brolly stuck up tracksuit top, then walking back across the park holding the brolly like a sword ready for the city welcome, thankfully made it but why the hell did i buy that brolly? more trouble than it was worth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 18:46:53 GMT
21 years of teaching in London. I dealt with these types of wankers everyday. The advantage I had though was their parents phone numbers, and if they didn't turn up then the kid stayed home until they did, which was usually the next Most of the people who act up at Rovers games would have been in school during the 1970s to be fair
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 0:41:15 GMT
a pretty good thread on a very difficult subject,the selfish way some people behave without regard for others is never acceptable and of course we all want to stand up to bullies but it can be very intimidating and a person can feel very vulnerable against people who have no regard or respect for anyone. at altrincham and braintree 2 seasons ago i felt i didnt really belong in the same space as a good number of people,it made me think. even the chelsea game disturbed me a bit on a mostly great night,i still saw some of our fans behaving badly,not too many but some
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Post by Gasshole on Aug 29, 2016 5:51:17 GMT
Unwise to go steaming in ,if these so called hard men look like they can handle themselves. Just verbal abuse them while standing safely behind a copper or steward. Once you've proved to yourself that your the fkin kiddy, you can strut up and down with a menacing snarl. If the cops leave , you will need to gap it before you get your @ss kicked. Mate of mine from Bemmy does it all the time. Attachment Deleted
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