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Post by womble on Sept 15, 2016 17:38:18 GMT
Planning permission - telling you what you can and can't do on your own property. Keeping the rich richer, the poor poorer and the countryside nice for even richer folk who want a nice view as well as a massive bank balance. All under the proviso of helping the environment whilst conveniently keeping rents and house prices high. Just a general rant, carry on. An absence of planning regulations brought vast country houses in huge estates, and back to back slum housing for the poor and ill. It is no coincidence that the richest people in society were amongst the most vocal in opposing the introduction of planning regulations. The far more egalitarian Scaninavian countries, with lower population densities than England, all have planning systems. The housing shortage is due to the combined effects of an increasing population and the loss of the affordable rented sector since council house building was almost completely halted for ideological, rather than practical reasons. There lies the major part of the solution to the problem. Anyway, back to UWE! I'm with the side who thinks we do need planning permission to expand over 21,700. The stadium is built to take the structural load of a second tier without much alteration, but that is not the same as having permission for that expansion.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Sept 15, 2016 18:00:52 GMT
This subject has been running since 1986 and still has a number of years to go; simply knock down and rebuild at the MEM. Happy days, Gloucester road pubs, tremendous, why on earth we are even still talking about a pie in sky project at the ******* UWE is beyond me.At best we will at a push need a 15,000 seater stadium, which is bigger than Dean Court and those boys are doing OK in the prem.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 15, 2016 18:02:44 GMT
This subject has been running since 1986 and still has a number of years to go; simply knock down and rebuild at the MEM. Happy days, Gloucester road pubs, tremendous, why on earth we are even still talking about a pie in sky project at the ******* UWE is beyond me.At best we will at a push need a 15,000 seater stadium, which is bigger than Dean Court and those boys are doing OK in the prem. You will never get past the planning stage so why waste our time by posting that misguided post
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 15, 2016 18:03:06 GMT
This subject has been running since 1986 and still has a number of years to go; simply knock down and rebuild at the MEM. Happy days, Gloucester road pubs, tremendous, why on earth we are even still talking about a pie in sky project at the ******* UWE is beyond me.At best we will at a push need a 15,000 seater stadium, which is bigger than Dean Court and those boys are doing OK in the prem. Yeah, money from other sources is so massive in the Prem that a very well run club could survive on no attendance at all, these days.
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Post by oddsongas on Sept 15, 2016 18:09:04 GMT
This subject has been running since 1986 and still has a number of years to go; simply knock down and rebuild at the MEM. Happy days, Gloucester road pubs, tremendous, why on earth we are even still talking about a pie in sky project at the ******* UWE is beyond me.At best we will at a push need a 15,000 seater stadium, which is bigger than Dean Court and those boys are doing OK in the prem. Yawn
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 18:15:43 GMT
This subject has been running since 1986 and still has a number of years to go; simply knock down and rebuild at the MEM. Happy days, Gloucester road pubs, tremendous, why on earth we are even still talking about a pie in sky project at the ******* UWE is beyond me.At best we will at a push need a 15,000 seater stadium, which is bigger than Dean Court and those boys are doing OK in the prem. Ok.... We can't get planning to build at the Mem without massive opposition from Trash/rose etc. UWE is a great location. UWE is open for development. We have a bigger support base than Blackpool.
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Post by tinner on Sept 15, 2016 18:41:44 GMT
This subject has been running since 1986 and still has a number of years to go; simply knock down and rebuild at the MEM. Happy days, Gloucester road pubs, tremendous, why on earth we are even still talking about a pie in sky project at the ******* UWE is beyond me.At best we will at a push need a 15,000 seater stadium, which is bigger than Dean Court and those boys are doing OK in the prem. Absolutely spot on.......we had planning permission before, and sure we would get again. The perfect location for a footy stadium. Laughable given that we can barely ever sell out the Mem that people on here are talking about planning permission for 27k/35k increase to the UWE.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 15, 2016 18:45:52 GMT
If we're building to the original plan what or why was that Michael Cunnah (?) bloke bought in for ?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 15, 2016 18:51:51 GMT
If we're building to the original plan what or why was that Michael Cunnah (?) bloke bought in for ? Surely due diligence on the deal, ensuring commercial agreements and contracts really are watertight this time, managing the project from Rovers end in terms of tieing down committed contractors who won't tear up the drive way and leave it untarmacced so to speak. Contractors who represent the fine balance between cost competitive and quality regards timeliness and end product. Basically everything the old board would have inevitably f**ked up irrespective of past background.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 19:01:30 GMT
This subject has been running since 1986 and still has a number of years to go; simply knock down and rebuild at the MEM. Happy days, Gloucester road pubs, tremendous, why on earth we are even still talking about a pie in sky project at the ******* UWE is beyond me.At best we will at a push need a 15,000 seater stadium, which is bigger than Dean Court and those boys are doing OK in the prem. Absolutely spot on.......we had planning permission before, and sure we would get again. The perfect location for a footy stadium. Laughable given that we can barely ever sell out the Mem that people on here are talking about planning permission for 27k/35k increase to the UWE. People on here? Laughable? Nah..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 19:08:02 GMT
Literally cannot wait for that announcement, when it happens!
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 15, 2016 19:36:50 GMT
This subject has been running since 1986 and still has a number of years to go; simply knock down and rebuild at the MEM. Happy days, Gloucester road pubs, tremendous, why on earth we are even still talking about a pie in sky project at the ******* UWE is beyond me.At best we will at a push need a 15,000 seater stadium, which is bigger than Dean Court and those boys are doing OK in the prem. Ok.... We can't get planning to build at the Mem without massive opposition from Trash/rose etc. UWE is a great location. UWE is open for development. We have a bigger support base than Blackpool. Why would Trash, the Glos Rd traders, protest against redeveloping the Mem, wouldn't they benefit from Rovers staying in Horfield rather than moving to the UWE? As far as the UWE being a great location lets be honest it's a cr@p location with no shops or pubs nearby and I can also see getting out of the car parks will be like Oxford's ground. Although there's zero chance of us getting pp at the Mem and the UWE clearly offers more than just being a football ground once a week.
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Post by aghast on Sept 15, 2016 20:01:18 GMT
Ok.... We can't get planning to build at the Mem without massive opposition from Trash/rose etc. UWE is a great location. UWE is open for development. We have a bigger support base than Blackpool. Why would Trash, the Glos Rd traders, protest against redeveloping the Mem, wouldn't they benefit from Rovers staying in Horfield rather than moving to the UWE? As far as the UWE being a great location lets be honest it's a cr@p location with no shops or pubs nearby and I can also see getting out of the car parks will be like Oxford's ground. Although there's zero chance of us getting pp at the Mem and the UWE clearly offers more than just being a football ground once a week. I have to disagree on two points. A redeveloped Mem would easily get planning permission since it already got the permission in stricter times. The bottlenecks for traffic in the UWE location are not Saturday afternoons or 21:45 on midweek evenings.
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Post by youmadethatup on Sept 15, 2016 20:52:37 GMT
This subject has been running since 1986 and still has a number of years to go; simply knock down and rebuild at the MEM. Happy days, Gloucester road pubs, tremendous, why on earth we are even still talking about a pie in sky project at the ******* UWE is beyond me.At best we will at a push need a 15,000 seater stadium, which is bigger than Dean Court and those boys are doing OK in the prem. Absolutely spot on.......we had planning permission before, and sure we would get again. The perfect location for a footy stadium. Laughable given that we can barely ever sell out the Mem that people on here are talking about planning permission for 27k/35k increase to the UWE. When you consider ashton gate had 19-21000 capacities ish during the era before the rebuild and when it had terrace.......yet their highest ever average in league one level is in the 12,000s it was a crap stadium........yet they built a 27,000 all seated stadium and now have decent crowds in it. The mem is out dated and not appealing to modern humans ! What benefit do BRFC get from there being pubs and food places on Gloucester road ...all they see is potential income going into someone else's pocket.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 21:04:54 GMT
Planning permission - telling you what you can and can't do on your own property. Keeping the rich richer, the poor poorer and the countryside nice for even richer folk who want a nice view as well as a massive bank balance. All under the proviso of helping the environment whilst conveniently keeping rents and house prices high. Just a general rant, carry on. An absence of planning regulations brought vast country houses in huge estates, and back to back slum housing for the poor and ill. It is no coincidence that the richest people in society were amongst the most vocal in opposing the introduction of planning regulations. The far more egalitarian Scaninavian countries, with lower population densities than England, all have planning systems. The housing shortage is due to the combined effects of an increasing population and the loss of the affordable rented sector since council house building was almost completely halted for ideological, rather than practical reasons. There lies the major part of the solution to the problem. Anyway, back to UWE! I'm with the side who thinks we do need planning permission to expand over 21,700. The stadium is built to take the structural load of a second tier without much alteration, but that is not the same as having permission for that expansion. Not sure how the lack of a planning department was responsible for the wealth inequalities of the 18th and 19th centuries? As far as I am aware, the old ruling class system wa not destroyed by planning regs! Ideological or practical, depends on what your politics are, I've heard either side of many debates call the other side ideologues. I guess it's the other guy who's ideological!
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Post by markczgas on Sept 15, 2016 21:07:26 GMT
This subject has been running since 1986 and still has a number of years to go; simply knock down and rebuild at the MEM. Happy days, Gloucester road pubs, tremendous, why on earth we are even still talking about a pie in sky project at the ******* UWE is beyond me.At best we will at a push need a 15,000 seater stadium, which is bigger than Dean Court and those boys are doing OK in the prem. Absolutely spot on.......we had planning permission before, and sure we would get again. The perfect location for a footy stadium. Laughable given that we can barely ever sell out the Mem that people on here are talking about planning permission for 27k/35k increase to the UWE. West Ham's ground held 40,000 they now get 60,000 at Olympic stadium Tottenham's ground holds 35,000 they just got 85,000 at Wembley !
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Post by albaron on Sept 15, 2016 21:32:02 GMT
I still cannot believe anyone still wants us to re-build the Mem. And for those saying we only need a 15000 capacity -- What short sightedness. The ground as it is is awful and possibly wouldn't be much better as a rebuild -- Its had its day we need to go forward.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 21:33:10 GMT
This subject has been running since 1986 and still has a number of years to go; simply knock down and rebuild at the MEM. Happy days, Gloucester road pubs, tremendous, why on earth we are even still talking about a pie in sky project at the ******* UWE is beyond me.At best we will at a push need a 15,000 seater stadium, which is bigger than Dean Court and those boys are doing OK in the prem. Absolutely spot on.......we had planning permission before, and sure we would get again. The perfect location for a footy stadium. Laughable given that we can barely ever sell out the Mem that people on here are talking about planning permission for 27k/35k increase to the UWE. Swansea couldn't sell out the Vetch,doing all right now. The Mem location is sh**,surrounded by houses and nimby's,who the f..k needs shops and pubs next to the ground,drink in the bars at UWE. As for 27k upwards we could fill it for any big cup games,just like Eastville how many times did we fill that,still nice to have the capacity available though. Out of interest how many teams fill their ground outside the top flight,unless the sh.t go up their crowds will level off once the novelty of the new stand wears off,but they will still have a good capacity for when it's needed.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 15, 2016 21:34:36 GMT
Absolutely spot on.......we had planning permission before, and sure we would get again. The perfect location for a footy stadium. Laughable given that we can barely ever sell out the Mem that people on here are talking about planning permission for 27k/35k increase to the UWE. West Ham's ground held 40,000 they now get 60,000 at Olympic stadium Tottenham's ground holds 35,000 they just got 85,000 at Wembley ! You can hardly compare Bristol to London?
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 15, 2016 21:37:46 GMT
Why would Trash, the Glos Rd traders, protest against redeveloping the Mem, wouldn't they benefit from Rovers staying in Horfield rather than moving to the UWE? As far as the UWE being a great location lets be honest it's a cr@p location with no shops or pubs nearby and I can also see getting out of the car parks will be like Oxford's ground. Although there's zero chance of us getting pp at the Mem and the UWE clearly offers more than just being a football ground once a week. I have to disagree on two points. A redeveloped Mem would easily get planning permission since it already got the permission in stricter times. The bottlenecks for traffic in the UWE location are not Saturday afternoons or 21:45 on midweek evenings. I think your the only poster who thinks getting pp at the mem would be easier, likewise have you ever driven around the Abbey Wood roundabour on a Saturday or Tuesday night before a game, I was stuck there by accident this week.
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