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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 15, 2016 12:18:25 GMT
I thought the 3 options were to do with the training facilities not the ground? Thought he said they had 3 different sites that they were looking into. Can't recall him saying it about the stadium??
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 15, 2016 12:21:20 GMT
You don't need planning permission to add seats to the inside of an already built house. Not in a house, no. But I'd imagine if you were expanding the capacity of a stadium, then the local council would want to know all about how the local infrastructure will be affected, therefore it would need their permission....I would have thunk? The current transport plan for the UWE allows for 34,000 movements (careful Nobby) a day... The plans for the stadium include some infrastructure updates so maybe that figure will rise
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Post by gaelgas on Sept 15, 2016 12:26:45 GMT
Think everyone is getting ahead of themselves a bit tbh. The capacity is not that important at this stage surely?! To true, we cant fill the mem most games so 21,000 to start with is fine, nowt worse than a half empty bowl with zero atmosphere, doncaster being a perfect example. Mliton Keynes is worse, capacity 30.500 average attendance 9,500. Darlington Arena was the most surreal, I think it held 27,000 a they averaged about 3,500 remtand,ember going there for a cup game there were tiny little pockets of supporters in the middle of each stand.
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Post by gaelgas on Sept 15, 2016 12:28:59 GMT
The original planning permission definitely allowed for 6000 extra seats to be added to the 21,700 already in place, with no further permission needed. ahh hopefully I'm not going senile then!
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Post by gaelgas on Sept 15, 2016 12:30:40 GMT
The original planning permission definitely allowed for 6000 extra seats to be added to the 21,700 already in place, with no further permission needed. Reference PT12/0888/F Alternative Reference Not Available Application Received Fri 09 Mar 2012 Application Validated Fri 09 Mar 2012 Address Land Between Long Down Avenue And University Of West Of England, Stoke Gifford Proposal Erection of a 21,700 seater new sports stadium (Class D2) and ancillary Club Shop (500m2), Supporters Club Bar (784m2) and Offices (198m2), with associated Convenience Store (Class A1) (465m2), Gymnasium (Class D2) (1,280m2), Banqueting facilities (Class D1) (1,006m2), Media Study Centre/UWE Teaching Space (Class D1) (2.114m2). Construction of car park (1,000 spaces) and new vehicular access. Depositing of excavated material resulting from construction process, landscaping and lighting. Status Decided Decision Approve with Conditions Decision Issued Date Thu 17 Jan 2013 Appeal Status Unknown Appeal Decision Not Available Refer: developments.southglos.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=M0TG19OK02P00Refer: Decision noticedevelopments.southglos.gov.uk/online-applications/files/71E129E0C3D4288918F318196C3D2FC9/PT12_0888_F-DECISION_NOTICE-4472104.rtfKey points Concert RestrictionThere shall be no more than 3 open air music concert events per annum and these shall meet the 75 dB LAeq (15 min) criterion when measured 1 metre from the façade of any noise sensitive premises and in accordance with the British Standard – BS 4142:1997. – each event shall conclude at 2230 hours – no stage erecting or dismantling shall take place between the hours of 2300 hours and 0700 hours – each event shall satisfy the pre-commissioning sound check in accordance with condition 21 of this planning permission. – each event shall satisfy the Noise Council’s Code of Practice on Environmental Noise Control at Concerts (1995) (or any subsequent alternative guidance). Hours of use of social facilitiesThe use of the banqueting and bar areas hereby approved shall be restricted to the following hours of use: Monday to Saturday from 0700 hours until midnight, and Sunday from 0900 hours to 2300 hours. Personal PermissionThe principal user of the stadium hereby approved shall be Bristol Rovers Football Club for Class D2 of the Town and Country Planning (use Classes) Order 1987, or in any provision equivalent to the Class in any statutory instrument revoking and re-enacting that Order with or without modification; and for the avoidance of doubt this shall not exclude any ground sharing arrangements made by Bristol Rovers Football Club or national or international sporting fixtures. The planning consent is for a 21,700 seater new sports stadium - there is nothing in the Decision Notice that refers to future expansion. I have yet to find among the approved drawings and documents, the evidence that we could increase our capacity to 27,000/35,000. Such an increase in my view would require additional planning consent.Oh bugger, I am going senile then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 13:14:50 GMT
Said the same after me Indian last night. what was her name? Asif?
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Post by pucklegas on Sept 15, 2016 13:42:03 GMT
After careful consideration, I think these are the three issues:- 1. Hooters or not? 2. Rose Beds behind the goals, or not? 3. Centrally heated seats for non-season ticket holders, or not? I am led to believe that it's the issue of the Rose Beds that has held everything up. I am also led to believe that the issue of Valet Parking has been put to one side and will be addressed at a future date. Half time scores on the boards behind the goal, retro is trendy!
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Post by aghast on Sept 15, 2016 13:48:39 GMT
Always nice to have a UWE thread around so we can imagine and dream. It's a sort of blue comfort blanket.
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Post by pucklegas on Sept 15, 2016 13:51:37 GMT
Always nice to have a UWE thread around so we can imagine and dream. It's a sort of blue comfort blanket. We could run out to "dreaming" by Blondie!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 14:01:39 GMT
Always nice to have a UWE thread around so we can imagine and dream. It's a sort of blue comfort blanket. We could run out to "dreaming" by Blondie! I don't mind a bit of dreaming,but i draw the line at running.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 14:06:57 GMT
We could run out to "dreaming" by Blondie! I don't mind a bit of dreaming,but i draw the line at running. It's like the young Bull and old Bull stood on a hill overlooking a herd of cows. The young ball says, "let's quickly run down there and screw a cow each"....the old Bull says, "No, it's better to walk down and screw the lot!"
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Post by Severncider on Sept 15, 2016 14:13:11 GMT
The 3 options that have been mentioned are relating to the interior design of the stadium hence the reason why the feasibility report is taking place to see which option will benefit the club in the best possible way. The feasibility report will give wael & co the figures which will generate the maximum revenue possible I think everything has been agreed, and the Feasibility Report is something the Independent Investors to the project require. It's their final check that everything is as expected, because they are the ones who will want to see the return on their investment! Exactly.
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Sept 15, 2016 14:28:32 GMT
The original planning permission definitely allowed for 6000 extra seats to be added to the 21,700 already in place, with no further permission needed. ahh hopefully I'm not going senile then! I have posted on this before. We have the option on around an additional 6k seat's. Depending on the internal configuration will be just above or below AG. We DO NOT need PP for this. We might have issues on the safety certificate regarding infrastructure. The question actually hangs around VAT. You do not pay VAT on new builds extensions and refurbishment you do. Depending on cost it may be worth adding the 6k straight away.
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 15, 2016 14:33:20 GMT
ahh hopefully I'm not going senile then! I have posted on this before. We have the option on around an additional 6k seat's. Depending on the internal configuration will be just above or below AG. We DO NOT need PP for this. We might have issues on the safety certificate regarding infrastructure. The question actually hangs around VAT. You do not pay VAT on new builds extensions and refurbishment you do. Depending on cost it may be worth adding the 6k straight away. Some people seem to think that we do need planning permission, some do not. We've had a source for the 'do' position - the planning docs - do you have any source for your 'do not' position?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 15, 2016 14:34:18 GMT
ahh hopefully I'm not going senile then! I have posted on this before. We have the option on around an additional 6k seat's. Depending on the internal configuration will be just above or below AG. We DO NOT need PP for this. We might have issues on the safety certificate regarding infrastructure. The question actually hangs around VAT. You do not pay VAT on new builds extensions and refurbishment you do. Depending on cost it may be worth adding the 6k straight away. i know that applies to Residential Homes but how about commercial Properties ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 15:00:39 GMT
Planning permission - telling you what you can and can't do on your own property.
Keeping the rich richer, the poor poorer and the countryside nice for even richer folk who want a nice view as well as a massive bank balance. All under the proviso of helping the environment whilst conveniently keeping rents and house prices high.
Just a general rant, carry on.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Sept 15, 2016 15:23:31 GMT
ahh hopefully I'm not going senile then! I have posted on this before. We have the option on around an additional 6k seat's. Depending on the internal configuration will be just above or below AG. We DO NOT need PP for this. We might have issues on the safety certificate regarding infrastructure. The question actually hangs around VAT. You do not pay VAT on new builds extensions and refurbishment you do. Depending on cost it may be worth adding the 6k straight away. Is there special treatment for VAT on refurbishments or extensions for commercial property meaning that you can't reclaim input VAT? Not my area of accounting so just a general question.
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 15, 2016 15:26:40 GMT
Planning permission - telling you what you can and can't do on your own property. Keeping the rich richer, the poor poorer and the countryside nice for even richer folk who want a nice view as well as a massive bank balance. All under the proviso of helping the environment whilst conveniently keeping rents and house prices high. Just a general rant, carry on. Totally agree. On an unrelated note, I own the land next door to you and I'm going to use it as a hostel for drug addicts. I'm also going to knock down the street behind you and build a glue factory, with massively insufficient access or provision for parking. Hope that's ok.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 16:57:17 GMT
Planning permission - telling you what you can and can't do on your own property. Keeping the rich richer, the poor poorer and the countryside nice for even richer folk who want a nice view as well as a massive bank balance. All under the proviso of helping the environment whilst conveniently keeping rents and house prices high. Just a general rant, carry on. Totally agree. On an unrelated note, I own the land next door to you and I'm going to use it as a hostel for drug addicts. I'm also going to knock down the street behind you and build a glue factory, with massively insufficient access or provision for parking. Hope that's ok. If that means I get a nice flow of drugs, sounds good! In all seriousness, the extreme of a hostel for drug addicts is nullified by my original argument. Why would anyone site this in a residential area when one could buy land where no potential resident disputes would be present? We have to cram everything in presently which is precisely the reason we have these disputes. Again, why build your glue factory (please send me some strong sh** and a plastic bag) in a residential area when you could get greenfield much cheaper? even of the living hell of glue factory/drug rehabilitation facilities in every terraced street in the land was to be part of the deal, I would still take that risk. It's much better than paying ten times the average Gross wage (so more than 15 times the actual NET wage) to buy a small hutch and a sense of stake in society. Then the loan used to pay means you can triple the real cost in the long term. So, 50% of your income for 25 years to own a hutch! Many may have got lucky over the years with the surge in property value but believe me, this will not be the shape of things to come in the next 20 years. Paying vast amounts of income to rent or mortgage strikes me as a silly way to live given freeing up planning could halve the cost. Alas, we have a generation which would be bankrupted by this, and a generation who will be bankrupted without it. Have always seen the cost of housing as the main evil in this country, not minimum wage or living wage, property costs are ridiculous and this does not benefit the majorithey.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 15, 2016 16:59:16 GMT
I have posted on this before. We have the option on around an additional 6k seat's. Depending on the internal configuration will be just above or below AG. We DO NOT need PP for this. We might have issues on the safety certificate regarding infrastructure. The question actually hangs around VAT. You do not pay VAT on new builds extensions and refurbishment you do. Depending on cost it may be worth adding the 6k straight away. Is there special treatment for VAT on refurbishments or extensions for commercial property meaning that you can't reclaim input VAT? Not my area of accounting so just a general question. Think posters are getting confused here with the treatment of VAT on private house builds, as VAT on a commercial build is always going to be recoverable, assuming the business is VAT registered.
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