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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 15, 2016 9:50:55 GMT
I guess the three main options for the stadium are the c. 21,700 27,000 and 35,000 capacities. Don't know any other 'options.'
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Post by jonwsm on Sept 15, 2016 9:56:46 GMT
The original planning permission definitely allowed for 6000 extra seats to be added to the 21,700 already in place, with no further permission needed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 10:22:35 GMT
So we are back to the NH option in all but name? Don't Know what the NH options are to be honest can you list them ? Tsk, don't you know? I suggest you go and read the 'New Beginning' thread from the beginning!
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Post by Severncider on Sept 15, 2016 10:24:39 GMT
So we are back to the NH option in all but name? Don't Know what the NH options are to be honest can you list them ? I thought his last option was to give up the rights to the carpark and some other revenue streams and build the lowest possible capacity.
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Post by tommym9 on Sept 15, 2016 10:24:45 GMT
I guess the three main options for the stadium are the c. 21,700 27,000 and 35,000 capacities. Don't know any other 'options.' I thought the 21,700 option was the one we were going for after the Q&A?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 15, 2016 10:28:36 GMT
Don't Know what the NH options are to be honest can you list them ? I thought his last option was to give up the rights to the carpark and some other revenue streams and build the lowest possible capacity. I was lead to believe it was all to do with the "fit out" of the stadium, not the capacity ?
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Sept 15, 2016 10:29:47 GMT
Actual words of Wael:
"UWE is the only site we're interested in", "everything is in place, finance was never an issue".
When asked about capacity:
"It will be 21,700"
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Post by Finnish Gas on Sept 15, 2016 10:45:43 GMT
The original planning permission definitely allowed for 6000 extra seats to be added to the 21,700 already in place, with no further permission needed. Reference PT12/0888/F Alternative Reference Not Available Application Received Fri 09 Mar 2012 Application Validated Fri 09 Mar 2012 Address Land Between Long Down Avenue And University Of West Of England, Stoke Gifford Proposal Erection of a 21,700 seater new sports stadium (Class D2) and ancillary Club Shop (500m2), Supporters Club Bar (784m2) and Offices (198m2), with associated Convenience Store (Class A1) (465m2), Gymnasium (Class D2) (1,280m2), Banqueting facilities (Class D1) (1,006m2), Media Study Centre/UWE Teaching Space (Class D1) (2.114m2). Construction of car park (1,000 spaces) and new vehicular access. Depositing of excavated material resulting from construction process, landscaping and lighting. Status Decided Decision Approve with Conditions Decision Issued Date Thu 17 Jan 2013 Appeal Status Unknown Appeal Decision Not Available Refer: developments.southglos.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=M0TG19OK02P00Refer: Decision noticedevelopments.southglos.gov.uk/online-applications/files/71E129E0C3D4288918F318196C3D2FC9/PT12_0888_F-DECISION_NOTICE-4472104.rtfKey points Concert RestrictionThere shall be no more than 3 open air music concert events per annum and these shall meet the 75 dB LAeq (15 min) criterion when measured 1 metre from the façade of any noise sensitive premises and in accordance with the British Standard – BS 4142:1997. – each event shall conclude at 2230 hours – no stage erecting or dismantling shall take place between the hours of 2300 hours and 0700 hours – each event shall satisfy the pre-commissioning sound check in accordance with condition 21 of this planning permission. – each event shall satisfy the Noise Council’s Code of Practice on Environmental Noise Control at Concerts (1995) (or any subsequent alternative guidance). Hours of use of social facilitiesThe use of the banqueting and bar areas hereby approved shall be restricted to the following hours of use: Monday to Saturday from 0700 hours until midnight, and Sunday from 0900 hours to 2300 hours. Personal PermissionThe principal user of the stadium hereby approved shall be Bristol Rovers Football Club for Class D2 of the Town and Country Planning (use Classes) Order 1987, or in any provision equivalent to the Class in any statutory instrument revoking and re-enacting that Order with or without modification; and for the avoidance of doubt this shall not exclude any ground sharing arrangements made by Bristol Rovers Football Club or national or international sporting fixtures. The planning consent is for a 21,700 seater new sports stadium - there is nothing in the Decision Notice that refers to future expansion. I have yet to find among the approved drawings and documents, the evidence that we could increase our capacity to 27,000/35,000. Such an increase in my view would require additional planning consent.
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Post by kingswoodgas44 on Sept 15, 2016 10:48:27 GMT
The 3 options that have been mentioned are relating to the interior design of the stadium hence the reason why the feasibility report is taking place to see which option will benefit the club in the best possible way. The feasibility report will give wael & co the figures which will generate the maximum revenue possible
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 11:10:02 GMT
After careful consideration, I think these are the three issues:- 1. Hooters or not? 2. Rose Beds behind the goals, or not? 3. Centrally heated seats for non-season ticket holders, or not?
I am led to believe that it's the issue of the Rose Beds that has held everything up. I am also led to believe that the issue of Valet Parking has been put to one side and will be addressed at a future date.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 11:12:49 GMT
The 3 options that have been mentioned are relating to the interior design of the stadium hence the reason why the feasibility report is taking place to see which option will benefit the club in the best possible way. The feasibility report will give wael & co the figures which will generate the maximum revenue possible I think everything has been agreed, and the Feasibility Report is something the Independent Investors to the project require. It's their final check that everything is as expected, because they are the ones who will want to see the return on their investment!
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Post by otleygas on Sept 15, 2016 11:13:00 GMT
Re expansion. I believe what was said is that the capacity could be expanded from 21k to 27k without major structural exterior alterations (ie by adding a second tier with the existing roofline) however I think we would still need further planning permission to do this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 11:14:45 GMT
Re expansion. I believe what was said is that the capacity could be expanded from 21k to 27k without major structural exterior alterations (ie by adding a second tier with the existing roofline) however I think we would still need further planning permission to do this. Of course we'll need further PP to expand the stadium! Blimey, if you put a small extension on your house you need PP. Whoever suggested we wouldn't need further PP to expand the stadium is a moon howler !
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Post by simon1883 on Sept 15, 2016 11:22:07 GMT
Re expansion. I believe what was said is that the capacity could be expanded from 21k to 27k without major structural exterior alterations (ie by adding a second tier with the existing roofline) however I think we would still need further planning permission to do this. Of course we'll need further PP to expand the stadium! Blimey, if you put a small extension on your house you need PP. Whoever suggested we wouldn't need further PP to expand the stadium is a moon howler ! You don't require PP to extend your house.......
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 15, 2016 11:26:01 GMT
Re expansion. I believe what was said is that the capacity could be expanded from 21k to 27k without major structural exterior alterations (ie by adding a second tier with the existing roofline) however I think we would still need further planning permission to do this. Of course we'll need further PP to expand the stadium! Blimey, if you put a small extension on your house you need PP. Whoever suggested we wouldn't need further PP to expand the stadium is a moon howler ! You can expand your house upto 18m sq with out PP but have to follow building regs + inspections. i'm in the process of doing this for my S & M suite - Balders & Hugo are my first customers
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 11:34:42 GMT
Of course we'll need further PP to expand the stadium! Blimey, if you put a small extension on your house you need PP. Whoever suggested we wouldn't need further PP to expand the stadium is a moon howler ! You can expand your house upto 18m sq with out PP but have to follow building regs + inspections. i'm in the process of doing this for my S & M suite - Balders & Hugo are my first customers 18m sq is not a 'suite'! That's the size of a small bathroom ! Not enough room to swing a cat-o-nine-tails !
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 15, 2016 11:40:14 GMT
Re expansion. I believe what was said is that the capacity could be expanded from 21k to 27k without major structural exterior alterations (ie by adding a second tier with the existing roofline) however I think we would still need further planning permission to do this. Of course we'll need further PP to expand the stadium! Blimey, if you put a small extension on your house you need PP. Whoever suggested we wouldn't need further PP to expand the stadium is a moon howler ! You don't need planning permission to add seats to the inside of an already built house.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 11:52:08 GMT
Of course we'll need further PP to expand the stadium! Blimey, if you put a small extension on your house you need PP. Whoever suggested we wouldn't need further PP to expand the stadium is a moon howler ! You don't need planning permission to add seats to the inside of an already built house. Not in a house, no. But I'd imagine if you were expanding the capacity of a stadium, then the local council would want to know all about how the local infrastructure will be affected, therefore it would need their permission....I would have thunk?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 15, 2016 11:58:04 GMT
You don't need planning permission to add seats to the inside of an already built house. Not in a house, no. But I'd imagine if you were expanding the capacity of a stadium, then the local council would want to know all about how the local infrastructure will be affected, therefore it would need their permission....I would have thunk? Yeah, of course, but one of the key points of the design was that it would allow seating expansion without affecting the external look and dimensions. So that will make it a lot easier to get, istm. It will be all about road usage and infrastructure, which istm the area (UWE, Abbey Wood and HP) probably gets more than 30,000 visits every weekday, so this shouldn't be an issue.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 12:14:23 GMT
I agree with you !
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