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Post by inee on Oct 27, 2016 12:26:36 GMT
Nah the gayest thing a man can do is wear a pink shirt with DM's Recent Photo of a footballers night out.... Still not gay
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 27, 2016 12:31:12 GMT
Recent Photo of a footballers night out.... Is that a selfie? My secret is out.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 12:33:20 GMT
Recent Photo of a footballers night out.... Those shoes are going to rub without an insole. and there speaks the voice of experience.
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 27, 2016 12:37:49 GMT
This week a couple for Northern Ireland were taken to court for discrimination as they refused to bake a cake in support of a homosexual cause. It's not that they were homophobic, they just didnt want to involve themselves in a politically and emotionally charged subject and they were also devout Christians which held a belief that homosexuality, according to holy scripture, is wrong. They lost. However they made an interesting point. They had nothing against the man that ordered it, they had served him previously and would serve him again. They didnt hate that person, made no judgement upon his character for being gay, neither did they slander or libel him, they just didn't approve of his lifestyle, if you could call it that. Why does that not open the way for this couple to counter sue on the basis of the homosexual being hetro-phobic? If we are using that logic to discriminate.
Now, I too am a devout Christian, ( I am not attempting to mix religion and footy here so bear with me) I attend church and I have had all the banter thrown at me for being a religious chap that anyone could come up with, some I find original and funny, some is irritatingly repetitive and some is downright offensive. But I realise its because my choices in life aren't compatible with someone elses, and yet if they met me in a professional capacity, and they didn't know of my beliefs, we would likely get on and they would see me as "normal", if there is such a thing. However should someone disagree with my beliefs does that mean that person is automatically is relious-o-phobic, if their is such a word, on the basis of them being agnostic or atheistic in their view? Of course it doesn't, and I respect their right to that choice. And yet, I express an opinion that I don't agree with some acts of a homosexual nature and I run the risk of being homophobic? Where is my right to opinion?
Now I meet gay people everyday, I dont agree with some of the things they do, but, I dont hate them, I wish them no harm, in fact I wish them the very best in life and I hope they find happiness. I certainly bare no malice or hate toward them or anyone else in fact. I would treat them no differently to any other person I would meet on the street regardless of their sexual orientation, race, colour, religious ethnicity or cultural background.
If there was a supporter I met who was gay, and we were watching the Rovers and in the moment of celebration would I hug, high five or shake his hand? Of course I would. If the player that scored the goal was gay would I still cheer and watch the rovers? Of course I would. If it was an opposition player would I label him for being gay? No I wouldn't, just in the same way I wouldn't single out a player for being black or muslim.
In every way what is said that is derogatory needs to be stamped out, but we can also be sensible when labeling an individual as "something-o-phobic" if that persons opinon does not match our own...
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Post by Dr Gas on Oct 27, 2016 12:39:14 GMT
Oh the classic "a friend of a friend said Christmas is banned". f**king hell, this forum. Have you never had diversity training at an employer then, as believe it or not these things are actually said. We had a session saying to tone down xmas in case people of different faiths were offended, although i'm not religious i asked what about christians who are offended that they have to hide their religion whilst others were encouraged to show theirs, I also asked why at ramadan we were asked to not to bring food into the office, rather go off site to eat and why during diwali office staff were encouraged to dress brightly, i was told that it shows respect to differing religions, and also that christians were being narrow minded by forcing their beliefs on others. Interestingly at that session i asked those of other religions if it bothered them in the slightest and they said no, i was also told that if i continued to ask questions i would have to attend head office for more training and if it was felt i had issues then i would have to face disciplinary action. As an aside i then asked if they threaten all people with some form of disability like this and surprise surprise i got a letter saying no further action would be taken. This type of thing is just bandwagon jumping by uneducated idiots, who just make issues and divisions against those who already get on The people holding the training session were therefore guilty of positive discrimination, whereby they favour what they see a a minority group. So not at alll good at their job.
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Post by wiaww on Oct 27, 2016 12:39:15 GMT
Are you one of those who believe in free speech as long as it fits in with your own beliefs and opinions. I fully believe in an individuals right to like or dislike who or what they want,and will always support that as i will support the rights of other to speak out about it. If you have every looked at my posts on this bollocks people spout about skin colour, i will always maintain that the only race that exists on this earth is the human race, i also openly state that it's only the politically correct/sheep/or so called anti-racist that actually define a person based on colour. The rest of us just see another person after all we are the same. As for this no choice sh**e, people choose who they are attracted to as i said before a lot of gays try out women first so supposing you are right in your assumption that it's not a choice, why do they choose to try a woman first as surely to support your view they would be genetically programmed to go one way and one way only, and would not use the old adage of oh i didnt want to come out or i wasn't sure, it's simply a matter of they prefer the feel of one sex over another simple as. where on this thread have i been anti gay,i hate my gay nephew with a vengeance however his boyfriend i get on well with so how is that any different from hating someone else who is straight or as you put it a different colour , the real issue is people would pick up on the fact that my nephew is gay and would start spouting the homophobic bollocks or your a racist bollocks based on their own inherent bandwagon jumping, not realising that a Lady garden is a Lady garden and im entitled to hate who i want when i want. Remember the phobia this and phobia that is a recent invention to put down those who disagree with others and to keep freethinkers in their place, do you honestly believe in suppressing free speech just in case someone doesn't like what someone else says, if so you are just carrying on bLairs dirt work. Again if someone went to their boss and said i was called a hetro dickhead, then the only thing offensive is that you were called a dickhead(unless of course you weren't hetro), besides if others are that worried about saying something that maybe something(aphobic) to others then they must live a life full of worry I assume this is directed at me. I believe in free speech so long as it neither promotes nor incites hatred based upon an individual’s inherent characteristics. Fortunately I live in country that supports that in law, many don’t have that luxury. I haven’t looked at your posts on skin colour, which is why I asked. It’s amazing that you can hold such progressive views on race, yet be so utterly backwards in your understanding of sexuality. I hope that one day all of our society is able to view people as individuals, rather than try to define them by creed. I also hope that you are able to understand that in the OVERWHELMING majority of cases people identify to the sexuality that they are genetically predisposed to, and that there is nothing they can or should do about that. I infer from your posts in this thread that you are a heterosexual male; based upon the views you’ve shared in the above post I would be interested to know as to when you made a conscious decision to be heterosexual. I have never made a conscious decision to be attracted to the gender I am attracted to, nor do I know anybody that has. Again, your original use of the “hetro dickhead” example was an attempt to highlight some perceived injustice between the treatment of straight people and gay people. This is, from a point of law, absolute nonsense. I’ve no way of knowing whether you have experienced this treatment first hand, but if you have then you should know that I find that equally as intolerable as if a homosexual employee should face discrimination in the workplace. As I said earlier, one injustice does not invalidate another. I must say that I find it peculiar that it is almost without exception that those who experience these misbalances of "political correctness" are the most vocal of opponents to anti-discrimination laws…
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 27, 2016 12:45:53 GMT
This week a couple for Northern Ireland were taken to court for discrimination as they refused to bake a cake in support of a homosexual cause. It's not that they were homophobic, they ... held a belief that homosexuality, ..., is wrong. That's the very definition of homophobia.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 12:59:28 GMT
This week a couple for Northern Ireland were taken to court for discrimination as they refused to bake a cake in support of a homosexual cause. It's not that they were homophobic, they ... held a belief that homosexuality, ..., is wrong. That's the very definition of homophobia. So, what happens if someone approaches a Muslim owner of a Printers, and they requested 300 printed copies of a cartoon of Mohamed? No doubt, the owner would refuse...........Are you saying that legally, the Muslim printer SHOULD print off the cartoons?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 27, 2016 13:02:27 GMT
Recent Photo of a footballers night out.... Still not gay No it's not. Dressing up in women's clothing is very different and I can assure you people get really watered off about being labelled as trans and visa versa. Even worse is when grown adults make their kids cross the road to avoid the gay man "because you can't be too careful". This sh** is still happening in 2016. Some people shouldn't be Dam allowed to have free speech when you see what damage they do with it.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 27, 2016 13:05:09 GMT
That's the very definition of homophobia. So, what happens if someone approaches a Muslim owner of a Printers, and they requested 300 printed copies of a cartoon of Mohamed? No doubt, the owner would refuse...........Are you saying that legally, the Muslim printer SHOULD print off the cartoons? What's that got to do with a definition of homophobia?
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Post by althepirate on Oct 27, 2016 13:09:00 GMT
When I was a support worker we were all called in off the road to a meeting. The meeting was called to tell us that if we had a transgender client we had to treat them the same as every one else. So I said 'Why are we here? Isn't that bleeding obvious? ' The chair of the meeting said 'Sorry about Alan he's from the 60's he loves everyone' Its just called love, do we have to have a meeting to teach people to love each other? That's pretty sad if true.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 13:15:34 GMT
So, what happens if someone approaches a Muslim owner of a Printers, and they requested 300 printed copies of a cartoon of Mohamed? No doubt, the owner would refuse...........Are you saying that legally, the Muslim printer SHOULD print off the cartoons? What's that got to do with a definition of homophobia? It's an analogy. You are saying that one person is Homophobic because of their religious beliefs. Try another angle......take that same analogy, and make the Muslim printer a Muslim baker? Would the Muslim baker bake the requested cake? The answer is really simple. If you want a cake baked that carries a specific message, then go to a Baker's that you know would bake it. If you want some cartoons of Mohamed printed off, then go to a Printer that would print it. It's called Common Sense, and not some futile, stupid, childish attempt to draw attention to a particular point of view. The Northern Ireland case is just plain stupid anyway, as the Baker's were targeted by 'Homosexual Activists' in a deliberate attempt to provoke the following legal action.
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Post by althepirate on Oct 27, 2016 13:21:46 GMT
Hey this is all getting a little heavy; time to lighten up with some jokes. I'll start the ball rolling with...... Two condoms were walking past a gay bar. One turned to the other and said "Let's go in there and get sh**-faced!" Sandra's husband told her he was bi sexual. She didn't know which way to turn. I feel sorry for bi's if they can't pull it must be doubly depressing.
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 27, 2016 13:25:57 GMT
This week a couple for Northern Ireland were taken to court for discrimination as they refused to bake a cake in support of a homosexual cause. It's not that they were homophobic, they ... held a belief that homosexuality, ..., is wrong. That's the very definition of homophobia. Its not if you have a devout belief in the bible....that makes every Christian, according to your statement, homophobic, from the pope to the queen and paupers in between.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 27, 2016 13:31:54 GMT
What's that got to do with a definition of homophobia? It's an analogy. You are saying that one person is Homophobic because of their religious beliefs. Try another angle......take that same analogy, and make the Muslim printer a Muslim baker? Would the Muslim baker bake the requested cake? The answer is really simple. If you want a cake baked that carries a specific message, then go to a Baker's that you know would bake it. If you want some cartoons of Mohamed printed off, then go to a Printer that would print it. It's called Common Sense, and not some futile, stupid, childish attempt to draw attention to a particular point of view. The Northern Ireland case is just plain stupid anyway, as the Baker's were targeted by 'Homosexual Activists' in a deliberate attempt to provoke the following legal action. A belief in a fictional character such as god is a choice. They do not stand direct comparison.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 27, 2016 13:35:45 GMT
It's an analogy. You are saying that one person is Homophobic because of their religious beliefs. Try another angle......take that same analogy, and make the Muslim printer a Muslim baker? Would the Muslim baker bake the requested cake? The answer is really simple. If you want a cake baked that carries a specific message, then go to a Baker's that you know would bake it. If you want some cartoons of Mohamed printed off, then go to a Printer that would print it. It's called Common Sense, and not some futile, stupid, childish attempt to draw attention to a particular point of view. The Northern Ireland case is just plain stupid anyway, as the Baker's were targeted by 'Homosexual Activists' in a deliberate attempt to provoke the following legal action. A belief in a fictional character such as god is a choice. They do not stand direct comparison. Now that is heavy for a Thursday...
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 27, 2016 13:36:14 GMT
What's that got to do with a definition of homophobia? It's an analogy. You are saying that one person is Homophobic because of their religious beliefs. Try another angle......take that same analogy, and make the Muslim printer a Muslim baker? Would the Muslim baker bake the requested cake? Still nothing to do with the definition of homophobia. I couldn't really give a f**k about the cake or images of Mohammed. But words have meanings, and saying, to (fairly imo) paraphrase, 'he isn't homophobic he just thinks homosexuality is wrong,' is a ridiculous statement.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 13:42:05 GMT
It's an analogy. You are saying that one person is Homophobic because of their religious beliefs. Try another angle......take that same analogy, and make the Muslim printer a Muslim baker? Would the Muslim baker bake the requested cake? Still nothing to do with the definition of homophobia. I couldn't really give a f**k about the cake or images of Mohammed. But words have meanings, and saying, to (fairly imo) paraphrase, 'he isn't homophobic he just thinks homosexuality is wrong,' is a ridiculous statement. Well go on then. Define Homophobia!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 27, 2016 13:42:21 GMT
That's the very definition of homophobia. Its not if you have a devout belief in the bible....that makes every Christian, according to your statement, homophobic, from the pope to the queen and paupers in between. The bible has some stuff about homosexuality, but it has loads of stuff about loads of stuff. Loads of people ignore massive swathes of the bible, and really get into other bits. If you really get into the 'homosexuality is wrong' bit (and it's not that much of a bit, actually) and ignore the bits about playing with snakes, or cutting off people's hands, or the stonings, or the unicorn, then that's up to you. But it doesn't affect the definition of homophobia.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 27, 2016 13:43:45 GMT
It's an analogy. You are saying that one person is Homophobic because of their religious beliefs. Try another angle......take that same analogy, and make the Muslim printer a Muslim baker? Would the Muslim baker bake the requested cake? Still nothing to do with the definition of homophobia. I couldn't really give a f**k about the cake or images of Mohammed. But words have meanings, and saying, to (fairly imo) paraphrase, 'he isn't homophobic he just thinks homosexuality is wrong,' is a ridiculous statement. Actually, I don't agree. You can disagree with a gay lifestyle choice without being homophobic. It's only when you a person acts in a discriminatory way towards someone because of your personal beliefs that it becomes a problem. Which in this case they did, thus proving they are homophobic.
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