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Post by bb1883 on Nov 27, 2016 9:21:47 GMT
This whole thread is a fu8king embarrassment........we are mid table in div1, and yet people continue to moan, what the f*ck do you expect and when will you ever be satisfied? People are moaning about the poor few games we've had recently, not the position we're in I'm sure if we were conceding 1 or 2 per game and posing more of an attacking threat, there would be less moaning
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 9:26:15 GMT
This whole thread is a fu8king embarrassment........we are mid table in div1, and yet people continue to moan, what the f*ck do you expect and when will you ever be satisfied? Yep, lets all put our head in the sand and pretend there isnt a problem defending at the moment?
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Post by bluegas on Nov 27, 2016 9:31:22 GMT
So why do the attack,who couldn't score in 20 minutes of utter domination, escape any criticism? Couldn't score? What are you on about? We scored after 3 minutes and scored twice away from home which isn't too bad is it? . If you are going to have a pop mate at least get your facts right and maybe make the effort to go yourself! No, you get your facts right. I was there - in The Derby Tup before the match. It was a defender who scored our first goal.Effectively I'm agreeing with you - if our attack had scored during the ensuing 20 minutes we might have cruised it. But yet again they didn't, including the guy who's definitely leaving in January. So the defence get blamed.
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Post by bluegas on Nov 27, 2016 9:39:03 GMT
This whole thread is a fu8king embarrassment........we are mid table in div1, and yet people continue to moan, what the f*ck do you expect and when will you ever be satisfied? Yep, lets all put our head in the sand and pretend there isnt a problem defending at the moment? I certainly don't think GG has his head in the sand (or up his are for that matter). He's just making the point that having been in the Conference 2 seasons ago it's hardly surprising we're struggling a bit. They need support not snidey criticism. That belongs the other side of the river.
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Post by socrates on Nov 27, 2016 9:43:18 GMT
2 years ago I remember going to Braintree away after a shocking start to the season and watching us lose. It was the worst moment I have experienced as a Rovers supporter in 42 years of watching them. I remember looking round at the ramshackle ground after watching a totally inept performance and thinking I couldn't believe that we had sunk so low and that we were sinking into oblivion. 2 years and 2 promotions later we are just outside the playoffs in league one. What Clarke has achieved since then is a minor miracle in my eyes. But that's not going to keep up in Div 1 this season, nobody on this thread is saying DC is clueless etc what fans are concerned about is the fact we're losing games and shipping goals, letting in, 3, 4 & 5 goals in 3 of our last 4 games is a big concern. Exactly, and we've all got an opinion on why it's gone wrong lately and are giving our opinions in a debate on a forum. It would be crap if every post just went " two years ago we were crap in the conference now we are league 1 that's so amazing". That was then this is now and it's not embarrassing if we discuss what's happening now and it doesn't mean we've forgotten where we were two years ago either.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Nov 27, 2016 14:01:05 GMT
Yep, lets all put our head in the sand and pretend there isnt a problem defending at the moment? I certainly don't think GG has his head in the sand (or up his are for that matter). He's just making the point that having been in the Conference 2 seasons ago it's hardly surprising we're struggling a bit. They need support not snidey criticism. That belongs the other side of the river. No snidey comment, the fact is we have the second worse defensive record currently in the league and need to do something about asap or we will get relegated , fact again and its got **** all to do with a river or a divide.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 14:55:24 GMT
Glad I am on holiday next week in the peak district hate to have wasted money coming all this way to watch that performance.seems to be a regular thing in the last few games.1 point from last 4 games is worrying now we will see how good a manager Clarke is That last sentence is a joke right ? Not at all the way to see
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 14:56:56 GMT
Glad I am on holiday next week in the peak district hate to have wasted money coming all this way to watch that performance.seems to be a regular thing in the last few games.1 point from last 4 games is worrying now we will see how good a manager Clarke is That last sentence is a joke right ? Not at all the way to judge a manager is not when things are going well it's how he reacts when things are not going well
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Post by rambo on Nov 27, 2016 15:24:24 GMT
How can you claim the diamond is sh**e if you weren't there today? Fact is a lot of success has come from starting with that formation. I've seen The majority of our performances this season and Oldham aside I can't remember us picking any points playing that way apart from when we've changed it when it hasn't been working. In my opinion it's a formation that doesn't suit us and if we stick with it all season we'll end up in a relegation battle unless we make major changes in the window. Couple of ways of looking at it - the system doesn't work so needs changing or the system does an ugly job which enables us to keep it close and attack them at the end of the match? The fact that DC has stuck with it suggests he feels it's the latter otherwise surely he'd have got the message by now? I personally would prefer a 4-3-3 which would enable us to play with wingers if required and have an extra man in midfield, kind of a halfway house between the diamond and 4-4-2 but DC rarely uses this for some reason. As for a relegation battle I can't see it personally. I think the players are more than good enough and we've been a tad unfortunate recently. We've competed in every game bar 2 this season and we had 10 men for both of them due to unfortunate circumstances (granted we were 3-0 down vs Charlton already)
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Post by rambo on Nov 27, 2016 15:28:58 GMT
Writing a load of those players off a bit early? Colkett is definitely an improvement on last season, Hartley and JCS are better than parkes and Roberts, Moore and Boateng haven't had enough game time yet to judge. I think DC's written most of them off or surely they'd be playing in a team which is shipping goals for fun? Looks like I forgot James as well, as far as Hartley being better than Parkes as a defender I think that one opben to debate! Well of the players you mentioned only roos jcs and Roberts are defenders/gk and 2 of the 3 are/were starting so it's only Roberts who isn't getting into a team shipping goals defensively. As for the others colkett has played and done well, Moore has shown glimpses but suffering from our formation and James will get a chance at some point. Maybe if MT leaves he will need to step in? We've got a lot of players who have to miss out unfortunately. Will be interesting to see what happens in Jan
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 27, 2016 15:29:22 GMT
That last sentence is a joke right ? Not at all the way to judge a manager is not when things are going well it's how he reacts when things are not going well Thought he proved that one in the Conference, plus our start in Div 2 was hardly breath taking.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 15:48:22 GMT
That was then and at no time did we ship the number of goals that we have in the last few matches,you cannot keep harking back to previous seasons we are at a different level and if we don't adjust to it we wont be for long.history tells us that numerous successful managers,not necessarily at rovers,have been found wanting do it at a higher level. I am not saying this applies to DC but that the current run of bad defeats will be a test of his abilities as a manager at a level he has never been before. If he turns it round then he will have proved he can do so if not we may pay the unthinkable price
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Post by rambo on Nov 27, 2016 16:21:43 GMT
That was then and at no time did we ship the number of goals that we have in the last few matches,you cannot keep harking back to previous seasons we are at a different level and if we don't adjust to it we wont be for long.history tells us that numerous successful managers,not necessarily at rovers,have been found wanting do it at a higher level. I am not saying this applies to DC but that the current run of bad defeats will be a test of his abilities as a manager at a level he has never been before. If he turns it round then he will have proved he can do so if not we may pay the unthinkable price Current run of bad defeats? 2 defeats, of which one was a 1 goal loss is a run of bad defeats?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 16:39:45 GMT
That was then and at no time did we ship the number of goals that we have in the last few matches,you cannot keep harking back to previous seasons we are at a different level and if we don't adjust to it we wont be for long.history tells us that numerous successful managers,not necessarily at rovers,have been found wanting do it at a higher level. I am not saying this applies to DC but that the current run of bad defeats will be a test of his abilities as a manager at a level he has never been before. If he turns it round then he will have proved he can do so if not we may pay the unthinkable price Current run of bad defeats? 2 defeats, of which one was a 1 goal loss is a run of bad defeats? 4 defeats in 6. 14 goals conceded in those 6 games. Dam those stats.....!
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Nov 27, 2016 16:58:40 GMT
That was then and at no time did we ship the number of goals that we have in the last few matches,you cannot keep harking back to previous seasons we are at a different level and if we don't adjust to it we wont be for long.history tells us that numerous successful managers,not necessarily at rovers,have been found wanting do it at a higher level. I am not saying this applies to DC but that the current run of bad defeats will be a test of his abilities as a manager at a level he has never been before. If he turns it round then he will have proved he can do so if not we may pay the unthinkable price In view of DC's bereavement, I think he should be cut some slack at the moment. Not just with yesterday in mind but it is only very human and understandable for his mother's illness to have had an impact on preparation in the last few days. It will also be a very tough week for DC ahead. The staff and players are all right behind him, and his track record with us does buy him a lot of respect and time from us, in my view. Apparently there were a lot of positives to take from yesterday's performance. It is certainly not all doom and gloom and sometimes taking a step back and gaining some perspective is the best way.
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Post by rambo on Nov 27, 2016 17:27:49 GMT
Current run of bad defeats? 2 defeats, of which one was a 1 goal loss is a run of bad defeats? 4 defeats in 6. 14 goals conceded in those 6 games. Dam those stats.....! Did I say we were on a good run? No. Did he mention any stats regarding goals conceded? No. 2 defeats is our run of defeats. 2. Not 4, 2. And of those 4 games Roos was solely to blame for one of them, the ref ruined another and we were unlucky yesterday. Paniiiiiiiiic!!!
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 27, 2016 17:33:08 GMT
That was then and at no time did we ship the number of goals that we have in the last few matches,you cannot keep harking back to previous seasons we are at a different level and if we don't adjust to it we wont be for long.history tells us that numerous successful managers,not necessarily at rovers,have been found wanting do it at a higher level. I am not saying this applies to DC but that the current run of bad defeats will be a test of his abilities as a manager at a level he has never been before. If he turns it round then he will have proved he can do so if not we may pay the unthinkable price In view of DC's bereavement, I think he should be cut some slack at the moment. Not just with yesterday in mind but it is only very human and understandable for his mother's illness to have had an impact on preparation in the last few days. It will also be a very tough week for DC ahead. The staff and players are all right behind him, and his track record with us does buy him a lot of respect and time from us, in my view. Apparently there were a lot of positives to take from yesterday's performance. It is certainly not all doom and gloom and sometimes taking a step back and gaining some perspective is the best way. No, forget that Padstow's in for the kill, he's been biding his time ever since DC snub him when he recommended some young East European player to him now, after a couple of dodgy results he's reappeared on the forum like a bad penny, no doubt he'll disappear just as quickly if we win both games this week.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 18:47:54 GMT
If you would care to check your facts I never spoke to him and never have I made the suggestion to Marcus Stewart and Ian holtby.i have no axe to grind with DC but am a realist and know that everyone in all walks of life reach a ceiling on their abilities.i haven't gone overboard about his successes because of this in the same way I don't get carried away watching a player run here there and everywhere.i hope he is a success but am entitled to question his tactics and team selection said everyone else.i don't disappear but my work takes me all over the place and my phone does not give me internet access. But carry on having your sly digs at me in that way you are leaving others alone If I can take the abuse from a full house at old Trafford I can take what you dish out
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 19:04:03 GMT
If you would care to check your facts I never spoke to him and never have I made the suggestion to Marcus Stewart and Ian holtby.i have no axe to grind with DC but am a realist and know that everyone in all walks of life reach a ceiling on their abilities.i haven't gone overboard about his successes because of this in the same way I don't get carried away watching a player run here there and everywhere.i hope he is a success but am entitled to question his tactics and team selection said everyone else.i don't disappear but my work takes me all over the place and my phone does not give me internet access. But carry on having your sly digs at me in that way you are leaving others alone If I can take the abuse from a full house at old Trafford I can take what you dish out Regards reaching his ceiling Padstow, Darrel has proved you and quite a few other bitter people wrong twice already! The man has worked wonders at Rovers on next to nothing and at a football club which was on its knees. He deserves praise till it comes out of his ears from all Rovers fans not bitter side swipes by so called footballing experts who have an axe to grind,no matter what they say. If you have no axe to grind with Darrel why only appear when things hit the buffers slightly? Because you certainly do a disappearing act when the Rovers do well. There really is no need to continually put the man down.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 20:35:37 GMT
If you would care to check your facts I never spoke to him and never have I made the suggestion to Marcus Stewart and Ian holtby.i have no axe to grind with DC but am a realist and know that everyone in all walks of life reach a ceiling on their abilities.i haven't gone overboard about his successes because of this in the same way I don't get carried away watching a player run here there and everywhere.i hope he is a success but am entitled to question his tactics and team selection said everyone else.i don't disappear but my work takes me all over the place and my phone does not give me internet access. But carry on having your sly digs at me in that way you are leaving others alone If I can take the abuse from a full house at old Trafford I can take what you dish out Regards reaching his ceiling Padstow, Darrel has proved you and quite a few other bitter people wrong twice already! The man has worked wonders at Rovers on next to nothing and at a football club which was on its knees. He deserves praise till it comes out of his ears from all Rovers fans not bitter side swipes by so called footballing experts who have an axe to grind,no matter what they say. If you have no axe to grind with Darrel why only appear when things hit the buffers slightly? Because you certainly do a disappearing act when the Rovers do well. There really is no need to continually put the man down. [ That's the same rubbish that comes out every time someone questions the manager.I do not disappear or appear when things go tits up.check your facts before using vitriolic statements if you can't back up your arguments without that sort of statement then I feel sorry for you
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